Something fishy going on here

[tlsrn]

I've noticed that some of the advice here makes CTB sound much more "difficult" than what medical facts show. Some comments from "old members" feel like they want and keep suggesting that well-known painless methods do not work AT ALL!!
This is a space meant for helping people with their choices. If you are here to push a "pro-life" agenda, this isn't a place for that.
Everyone has a right to their beliefs, but they should be practiced elsewhere—not here, where people are looking for a peaceful departure.

 

[cakedog]

idk man i've only been a user here for a short time but i've been a lurker for a long time and i have rarely seen if at all what you're describing
sometimes users are discouraged to go with a method for example overdosing because it has a low rate of success and it can leave you even worse than you were before attempting
and people are discouraged from falling from buildings, jumping into traffic or crashing their car because there's so many variables that can affect the process and potentially leave you 100x worse than you were

 

[Dejected 55]

The news and most of your online searches are going to tend to report to you only the successful suicides. Statistics say there are a lot more failures... and a lot of suicides in the media are accidental ones, either because the person didn't mean to kill themselves OR it was a fluke that the method worked in their case.

What the traditional media and searches are not good about communicating are all the failures. This is kind of interesting, since IF most people want to curb suicides you would think they would report more of the failures as cautionary tales.

On this forum, people who succeed can't come back and post... but people who fail, and some fail multiple times, can come back and tell us about it... and it's good info to have so that you don't repeat their mistakes and fail in the same way. Information is never a bad thing.

 

[Gangrel]

Recently i posted that suicide is hard which it is, but mostly that was it. But if i see a stupid idea like VSED/Cutting i will tell them it's a horrible idea.

 

[mychois]

The news and most of your online searches are going to tend to report to you only the successful suicides. Statistics say there are a lot more failures... and a lot of suicides in the media are accidental ones, either because the person didn't mean to kill themselves OR it was a fluke that the method worked in their case.

What the traditional media and searches are not good about communicating are all the failures. This is kind of interesting, since IF most people want to curb suicides you would think they would report more of the failures as cautionary tales.

On this forum, people who succeed can't come back and post... but people who fail, and some fail multiple times, can come back and tell us about it... and it's good info to have so that you don't repeat their mistakes and fail in the same way. Information is never a bad thing.

The present discussion reminds me of survivorship bias ...

 

[noiloone]

Recently i posted that suicide is hard which it is, but mostly that was it. But if i see a stupid idea like VSED/Cutting i will tell them it's a horrible idea.

Is going for the cartoid such a bad idea? I'm genuinely considering it over a 5 storey fall.

 

[takemetothestars]

Nah

 

[Throwawaysoul]

Some comments from "old members" feel like they want and keep suggesting that well-known painless methods do not work AT ALL!!

You got examples? Also, not all of us "old members" relentlessly glaze and Stan SN.

 

[slowlydying2mrrw]

Is going for the cartoid such a bad idea? I'm genuinely considering it over a 5 storey fall.

You mean landing on your neck? The carotid is an artery. You can fall on the site of it and it will snap your neck and Bash your skull.

Hypothetically, if your neck snaps first, you won't feel the pain.... It depends if it severs the brain stem... By severing the pain stem, is a hypothetical way to achieve the desires of ctb: fast and painless. Even if the neck snap didn't server the brain stem, it would sever the nerve root that talks to the body via central nervous system, so you would be paralyzed as you fall. Technically might (and that's a big reach), achieve painless and fast.

If you cut the carotid artery, you will bleed out and internally suffocate on your blood as it pools from gravity. How fast and painless has it's own variables. My guess is you pass out after 30 seconds, then officially go brain dead around 8 min, but the heart can stop any time in between as it waits for the blood to pool and lose function.

The carotid acts like a delivery system that goes to the aorta which is the main tube that pumps blood into heart. Think of a firehose blowing out water but there was a rip in the Hose.

For those who like visuals to make a decision, when I think of the carotid artery being cut, I'm reminded by a movie (most probably don't know) called "Bullet" (with Mickey Rourke and Tupac Shakur). At the end of the movie, Tupac's character gets murdered and has his neck sliced from one side of the collar bone, ear side to ear, in that line, and blood is pooling out as he struggles to even hold his neck to keep it in. That's the best way to visualize that ctb and it is not painless or fast.

 

[AreWeWinning]

I've noticed that some of the advice here makes CTB sound much more "difficult" than what medical facts show. Some comments from "old members" feel like they want and keep suggesting that well-known painless methods do not work AT ALL!!
This is a space meant for helping people with their choices. If you are here to push a "pro-life" agenda, this isn't a place for that.
Everyone has a right to their beliefs, but they should be practiced elsewhere—not here, where people are looking for a peaceful departure.

A provocative post with no valuable information.

Talks about "medical facts" without providing any. Talks about comments they disagree with but gives no examples.

If all methods worked great, there wouldn't be so many failed attempts. If all methods were easy, people wouldn't ask so many questions and wouldn't need help.

If someone points out that a method is unreliable, that's not pro-life agenda. That's helping the other person making an informed decision. The same is true if someone highlights a potential error in someone's plan.

Below are some actual facts about the case fatality rates (CFR) of various methods. Note that these statistics usually include all attempts, including impulsive and poorly planned ones.

​ Source: Lethality of suicide methods (2008) by A A Elnour and J Harrison (highlights added by me)

Source: The lethality of suicide methods: A systematic review and meta-analysis (2022) by Cai et al. (highlights added by me)​

Is going for the cartoid such a bad idea? I'm genuinely considering it over a 5 storey fall.

If you mean cutting it, then yes, it's a bad idea. Your chance of success is very low. You'll likely just make a huge mess and end up in hospital. There are methods that are a lot easier and much more reliable (and people often fail even with those).

 

[Ashu]

The present discussion reminds me of survivorship bias ...


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I don't get it.

 

[noiloone]

You mean landing on your neck? The carotid is an artery. You can fall on the site of it and it will snap your neck and Bash your skull.

Hypothetically, if your neck snaps first, you won't feel the pain.... It depends if it severs the brain stem... By severing the pain stem, is a hypothetical way to achieve the desires of ctb: fast and painless. Even if the neck snap didn't server the brain stem, it would sever the nerve root that talks to the body via central nervous system, so you would be paralyzed as you fall. Technically might (and that's a big reach), achieve painless and fast.

If you cut the carotid artery, you will bleed out and internally suffocate on your blood as it pools from gravity. How fast and painless has it's own variables. My guess is you pass out after 30 seconds, then officially go brain dead around 8 min, but the heart can stop any time in between as it waits for the blood to pool and lose function.

The carotid acts like a delivery system that goes to the aorta which is the main tube that pumps blood into heart. Think of a firehose blowing out water but there was a rip in the Hose.

For those who like visuals to make a decision, when I think of the carotid artery being cut, I'm reminded by a movie (most probably don't know) called "Bullet" (with Mickey Rourke and Tupac Shakur). At the end of the movie, Tupac's character gets murdered and has his neck sliced from one side of the collar bone, ear side to ear, in that line, and blood is pooling out as he struggles to even hold his neck to keep it in. That's the best way to visualize that ctb and it is not painless or fast.

I see, but falling is quite unpredictable and uncontrollable. I feel like I would have better chances with the other approach. Is a sharp shaving razor enough for the task? I've already begun densensitizing myself to pain and everything else with SH. What do you suggest? I'm ready to put everything at stake for a guaranteed death.

 

[Pluto]

 

[mjolnir]

What seems to bother you is the idea that everything will work out as expected, without considering the variables involved in the intended action, that you are contradicted.

 

[mychois]

I don't get it.

Forget it, consider it my venting.

 

[monetpompo]

Some comments from "old members" feel like they want and keep suggesting that well-known painless methods do not work AT ALL!!

hard agree with @cakedog's comment:

idk man i've only been a user here for a short time but i've been a lurker for a long time and i have rarely seen if at all what you're describing
sometimes users are discouraged to go with a method for example overdosing because it has a low rate of success and it can leave you even worse than you were before attempting
and people are discouraged from falling from buildings, jumping into traffic or crashing their car because there's so many variables that can affect the process and potentially leave you 100x worse than you were

unironically suicide is just hard to do and a lot of people think that doing a method that would succeed is better than doing a method that can leave you disabled for not being lethal enough. it's generally better to stay alive and miserable than be miserable and also hospitalized.

 

[mychois]

Is going for the cartoid such a bad idea? I'm genuinely considering it over a 5 storey fall.

"Scientists have found that falls of 48 feet (15 metres) are deadly about 50% of the time. This height is commonly referred to as LD50 (or Lethal Dose 50) – a concept that comes up in a lot of studies around morbidity. The LD50 is the 'dose' that would kill 50% of people who experience it. In the context of falls from height, the 'dose' refers to the distance someone travels. If you fall from 48 feet, you have a 50/50 chance of surviving."

Fall from Height – the Leading Cause of Workplace Death

Falls from height have been the top cause of workplace deaths in the UK for some time. Most fatal falls happen in construction, but putting any distance between you and the ground is dangerous. Read our guide to learn about common injuries and how to prevent them.

humanfocus.co.uk

(Last Updated: 30th October 2025)

 

[mychois]

hard agree with @cakedog's comment:



unironically suicide is just hard to do and a lot of people think that doing a method that would succeed is better than doing a method that can leave you disabled for not being lethal enough. it's generally better to stay alive and miserable than be miserable and also hospitalized.

Exactly. Being miserable is better than being more miserable, make sense.
More on falling from heights:
Survivable injuries occur below the critical threshold of a falling height around 20-25 feet.
Falls from height of 8 stories (around 90-100 feet) and higher, are associated with a 100% mortality.
(https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3212924/)

Since evaluations began in the 1940s and more extensively in the 1980s through 2005, the fall height at which 50% of patients are expected to die (LD50) has been consistently estimated to be 40 ft (12.1 m) and historical reports suggest no patients were able to survive a fall greater than 50 ft (15.2 m) .
A fall from 80 ft (24 m) exceeds the maximum threshold of force that the human body can withstand.
(https://doi.org/10.1177/1460408616689807)

 

[U. A.]

*OP posts inflammatory nonsense then does not tend to the resulting dumpster fire despite having been online since posting*

 

[slowlydying2mrrw]

A provocative post with no valuable information.

Talks about "medical facts" without providing any. Talks about comments they disagree with but gives no examples.

If all methods worked great, there wouldn't be so many failed attempts. If all methods were easy, people wouldn't ask so many questions and wouldn't need help.

If someone points out that a method is unreliable, that's not pro-life agenda. That's helping the other person making an informed decision. The same is true if someone highlights a potential error in someone's plan.

Below are some actual facts about the case fatality rates (CFR) of various methods. Note that these statistics usually include all attempts, including impulsive and poorly planned ones.

View attachment 189459​ Source: Lethality of suicide methods (2008) by A A Elnour and J Harrison (highlights added by me)

View attachment 189460 Source: The lethality of suicide methods: A systematic review and meta-analysis (2022) by Cai et al. (highlights added by me)​

If you mean cutting it, then yes, it's a bad idea. Your chance of success is very low. You'll likely just make a huge mess and end up in hospital. There are methods that are a lot easier and much more reliable (and people often fail even with those).

It's remarkable how much people focus on the succes stories that If they looked up the failed stories, the most success method, if surviving is still grim.... If anything, the pro life agenda should just push those stories to prevent.

The biggest fear for me to survive my method: vegetative state

 

[cemeteryismyhome]

"Scientists have found that falls of 48 feet (15 metres) are deadly about 50% of the time. This height is commonly referred to as LD50 (or Lethal Dose 50) – a concept that comes up in a lot of studies around morbidity. The LD50 is the 'dose' that would kill 50% of people who experience it. In the context of falls from height, the 'dose' refers to the distance someone travels. If you fall from 48 feet, you have a 50/50 chance of surviving."

Ok, so just jump twice.

 

[slowlydying2mrrw]

Ok, so just jump twice.

That LD50 thing applies to drugs... :/

I see, but falling is quite unpredictable and uncontrollable. I feel like I would have better chances with the other approach. Is a sharp shaving razor enough for the task? I've already begun densensitizing myself to pain and everything else with SH. What do you suggest? I'm ready to put everything at stake for a guaranteed death.

You won't succeed at cutting/slicing your carotid without the override of immense pain stopping your psychology. I'm not being a Dick, it's a real self preservation phenomenon. The anatomy of your neck has lots of vital structures such as nerves and bloody supply. I think my grim details above kinda gave clues. I have no suggestions when it comes to bodily harm methods.

If that fascinates you, look into Hari Kari, the Samurai Bushido method.

Exactly. Being miserable is better than being more miserable, make sense.
More on falling from heights:
Survivable injuries occur below the critical threshold of a falling height around 20-25 feet.
Falls from height of 8 stories (around 90-100 feet) and higher, are associated with a 100% mortality.
(https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3212924/)

Since evaluations began in the 1940s and more extensively in the 1980s through 2005, the fall height at which 50% of patients are expected to die (LD50) has been consistently estimated to be 40 ft (12.1 m) and historical reports suggest no patients were able to survive a fall greater than 50 ft (15.2 m) .
A fall from 80 ft (24 m) exceeds the maximum threshold of force that the human body can withstand.
(https://doi.org/10.1177/1460408616689807)

The LD50 applies to drugs, not falls.... It is true about the maximum threshold of force, it's about 80 feet. However, go to YouTube and search "Viking jumps 100 feet into cold water".... And lives. A dumb social media stunt, but it does act as a case study on survivability. And he swam out on his own, so whatever injuries sustained were probably not life threatening

Water acts as concrete so it is just as "hard" and deadly. So many variables to consider that your sources don't take into consideration.

General rule: if the falling object can achieve terminal velocity (or close as possible), the success rate will be at it's highest. It doesn't matter what you land on.

 

[Gangrel]

they just wanted to see some fiery discussion lol

 

[Ligottian]

One person gobbles some kind of OTC med. Another shoots themselves in the head and survives. I suppose both of these go in the books as failed attempts.

 

[what]

glaze and Stan SN.

i see what you did there xD

 

[tlsrn]

I can't believe that my post turned into a Reddit comments shit style. I came here to CTB, and I asked about a specific subject. If you have nothing to say, respectfully leave. god, I hate people and can't wait to leave.

 

[Whale_bones]

I can't believe that my post turned into a Reddit comments shit style. I came here to CTB, and I asked about a specific subject. If you have nothing to say, respectfully leave. god, I hate people and can't wait to leave.

Can you give us an example of the type of response you were hoping for when you posted this?

 

[Unsure and Useless]

I can't believe that my post turned into a Reddit comments shit style. I came here to CTB, and I asked about a specific subject. If you have nothing to say, respectfully leave. god, I hate people and can't wait to leave.

No offense, but what were you looking for? Painless methods are often extremely difficult to execute and can result in lifelong injuries that will just make your life more miserable than it already is, so people just let others know that

I get that it's stressful to pick a method since, these days, the only viable options seem to be inert gas, FSH, and SN. I've thrown in the towel several times after finding out that a supposedly painless method has only worked for barely 1% of the people going through with it. (I was devastated when I found out that even the OP of ligature strangulation said their megathread about it was BS.) However, it's better to be informed so that you don't have to deal with the fallout

 

[rabbitjack]

A provocative post with no valuable information.

Talks about "medical facts" without providing any. Talks about comments they disagree with but gives no examples.

If all methods worked great, there wouldn't be so many failed attempts. If all methods were easy, people wouldn't ask so many questions and wouldn't need help.

If someone points out that a method is unreliable, that's not pro-life agenda. That's helping the other person making an informed decision. The same is true if someone highlights a potential error in someone's plan.

Below are some actual facts about the case fatality rates (CFR) of various methods. Note that these statistics usually include all attempts, including impulsive and poorly planned ones.

View attachment 189459​ Source: Lethality of suicide methods (2008) by A A Elnour and J Harrison (highlights added by me)

View attachment 189460 Source: The lethality of suicide methods: A systematic review and meta-analysis (2022) by Cai et al. (highlights added by me)​

If you mean cutting it, then yes, it's a bad idea. Your chance of success is very low. You'll likely just make a huge mess and end up in hospital. There are methods that are a lot easier and much more reliable (and people often fail even with those).

I wonder if the drugs/poisons included SN because that is a very low rate

 

[ChamberOfEchoes]

The news and most of your online searches are going to tend to report to you only the successful suicides. Statistics say there are a lot more failures... and a lot of suicides in the media are accidental ones, either because the person didn't mean to kill themselves OR it was a fluke that the method worked in their case.

What the traditional media and searches are not good about communicating are all the failures. This is kind of interesting, since IF most people want to curb suicides you would think they would report more of the failures as cautionary tales.

On this forum, people who succeed can't come back and post... but people who fail, and some fail multiple times, can come back and tell us about it... and it's good info to have so that you don't repeat their mistakes and fail in the same way. Information is never a bad thing.

This isn't true. The newspapers are full every day of failed suicides and, above all, of people saved by law enforcement. However, if we look closely at those suicides, they weren't really failed attempts; they probably would never have been carried out. These are paradoxical situations. But statistically, they are counted as failed suicides, and there are many of them. We must consider that every day there are people who take a handful of over-the-counter pills and are considered to have attempted suicide, or people who threaten to commit suicide with a knife and are then saved. Every two days I read news about people who have been rescued from train tracks or who were on a bridge and were saved by firefighters. This news is constantly reported, while when a real suicide occurs, it is rarely reported in the newspapers, also due to guidelines from the World Health Organization.