Poison Hemlock

[Redhand5]

Acute Intoxication With Poison Hemlock (Conium maculatum) - PMC

Poison hemlock (Conium maculatum) is regarded as one of the most poisonous plants worldwide, and it can easily be misidentified as edible species as celery, parsnip (for their leaves), or carrots (for their roots). Toxicity comes from piperidine ...

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https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/coniine

Larry Millete trial testimony touches on toxin allegedly found in Millete home

A toxin that was allegedly detected inside a glass vial in the Millete household is a fast-acting poison comparable in the toxicology field to cyanide, ricin, and strychnine.

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Socrates and the Original Lethal Cocktail

During the Hellenistic period (323-31 BC), the lethal characteristics of the plant poison hemlock were well known and used as a means of execution in ancient Greece. Socrates died in 399 BC, and based on the reports from those who witnessed his death, he exhibited symptoms of coniine poisoning...

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The Sip that Killed Socrates: Poison Hemlock

Hemlock contains Coniine, Methyl-coniine, and Succus conii. The toxins block signals in the nervous system which lead to the cessation of breathing and consequently suffocation. The poison will also lead to salivation, twitching, pupil dilation, and an increased heart rate which eventually...

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What Plant Killed Socrates? The Shocking Truth Revealed - DeepThinkers

In ancient Greece, the punishment for certain crimes was death by poison. One of the most famous victims of this method was a philosopher who challenged the

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https://pdf.benchchem.com/1195/Application_Notes_and_Protocols_for_the_Extraction_and_Purification_of_Coniine_from_Natural_Sources.pdf

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0379073822003309

I do not make this as a recommendation about Poison Hemlock. This is for research purposes alone. Poisons, such as Hemlock, can have unreliable and varying effects from person to person. The extraction methods can be technical and difficult to reproduce.

I have compiled a few links to various articles about Coniine poisoning.

When I considered Hemlock for myself I was unsure where to start or what to expect. Based on my research I have formed a method that I have experimented with myself.
What I have done: I gathered Hemlock plant matter, including leaves, stems, and flowers. I have consumed the plant matter roughly 3-4 days after picking. I have also gathered plant matter and, using a mortar and pestle, ground the matter up, soaked the plant matter in cold water for 3-4 hours and then strained the liquid from the plant matter.
With the fresh plant matter, I consumed on an empty stomach. I chewed the plant matter thoroughly before swallowing.
With the liquid from soaking the plant matter, I drank.

In both case of eating and drinking I experienced a loss of focus in my eyes, loss of coordination in my arms and legs, shallower breathing than normal, a tingling sensation in my arms and legs as well as my lips, an inability to walk, and a general sense of tiredness.

In both cases I did not experience any pain or discomfort aside from light tingling. When I awoke both times I had no lingering after effects aside from my body smelling like the Hemlock plant, I assume from the digestions and bodily processing of the Hemlock.

According to my experience, I think had I consumed more Hemlock, I would not have woken up.

Again, this post is not to recommend Hemlock as a suggested method or to glorify its consumption. I only wish to share my experience with other and perhaps answer some questions that may arise.

 

[HNR_]

Quoting that science direct post: "Symptoms include drowsiness, burning of the mouth and throat, gradual asphyxia, ascending paralysis, and death"
Another quote in the paragraph below: "Vomiting, trembling, difficulty in movement, an initially slow and weak and later a rapid pulse, rapid respiration, salivation, urination, nausea, convulsions, coma"

I get where you're coming from but that sounds like a pretty horrifying and painful way to go, even if you didn't experience it when testing

 

[Redhand5]

Quoting that science direct post: "Symptoms include drowsiness, burning of the mouth and throat, gradual asphyxia, ascending paralysis, and death"
Another quote in the paragraph below: "Vomiting, trembling, difficulty in movement, an initially slow and weak and later a rapid pulse, rapid respiration, salivation, urination, nausea, convulsions, coma"

I get where you're coming from but that sounds like a pretty horrifying and painful way to go, even if you didn't experience it when testing

I think it all depends on the method used to consume Hemlock really. I don't think that our bodies can naturally digest the plant matter as food, so if you eat it it will probably give you an upset stomach leading to vomiting and nausea. As far as urination goes, our bodies will naturally loss muscle control in death which leads to urination and defecation, no matter how one dies.
If catching the bus is the goal, and one doesn't have the ability to pull a trigger, FSH, or other means, this might be a viable option but that's for the individual user. Like I said, I'm not recommending it to anyone, just food for thought. And it's the option I've chosen for myself.
If you read about what happened to Socrates, he drank the cup of Hemlock, laid down, and lost function of his body but still had the ability to speak and reason right up to the point of death. He didn't describe any pain or discomfort aside from not being able to move.

 

[HNR_]

Oh, I see
Yeah, I mean, I'm still curious about it as it's way less...messy than the aftermath of jumping and I'd like to CTB in a way that doesn't involve a whole team to clean my mess, on top of a painless way to go which is why I originally wanted to use N then N² and SN before picking the last resort option (in my case) jumping

 

[Redhand5]

Oh, I see
Yeah, I mean, I'm still curious about it as it's way less...messy than the aftermath of jumping and I'd like to CTB in a way that doesn't involve a whole team to clean my mess, on top of a painless way to go which is why I originally wanted to use N then N² and SN before picking the last resort option (in my case) jumping

I agree completely, I don't want a mess and I want to drift off in relative comfort, which is hard to find as far as CTB goes haha. If I could get N or SN, I might be inclined towards those options. But I can't afford to buy anything and Hemlock grows here just about everywhere you look.
What I've worked out in my reading research and personal experience is that the roots probably have more Coniine in them but also other things too which might add pain and other side effects. Whereas the leaves, stems and flowers have less Coniine in them but also less other compounds. Chewing the plant matter should release more Coniine to be up taken into the blood quicker. And soaking the plant matter in hot water should release more Coniine as well, similar to chewing. I'd do either on an empty stomach and then find a comfortable place to lay down and take a nap. When I drank the Hemlock, I didn't fast since I wanted to cook a large dinner for my mom and step dad and that may have diluted the Coniine in my system to the point of preventing my long nap, so to speak. So fasting should be observed if possible.
It was a let down when I woke up both times, a complete failure. I'm glad there were no residual effects from it though.
The first time I did it I was trying to be quick because I wasn't sure how long I'd have before the effects took hold, and I rushed the eating process a bit. So if eating is the chosen method, I'd say take time and chew the plant matter entirely to release the Coniine as much as possible. The effects didn't hit until about 15-30 minutes after ingestion.

 

[HNR_]

What about grinding it manually in some bowl or something then eating the hemlock out of it and, for good measure, licking the bowl

Also, didn't you, or someone else in another thread, say that boiling it would actually partially neutralize the coniine?
There has to be some old documentation about the matter on archive.org or something...

 

[Redhand5]

What about grinding it manually in some bowl or something then eating the hemlock out of it and, for good measure, licking the bowl

Also, didn't you, or someone else in another thread, say that boiling it would actually partially neutralize the coniine?
There has to be some old documentation about the matter on archive.org or something...

Yeah grinding it up and licking the bowl would work. Boiling it might denature the Coniine, so I would let it soak in hot water for a while. Using a blender would probably work just fine as well.

 

[bodys_prisoner]

Mmm, how delicious. We might as well start a sub-thread with homemade recipes for cooking pufferfish, poison hemlock, etc.

 

[Lemelonade]

I'm also planning on using poison hemlock.

As for ancient Greece, I read that they usually mixed the drink with opium as painkiller and to make the death more peaceful. I can't get any opioids here, but I think that kratom should work just fine. I will order kratom online and test it before my ctb date.

 

[Redhand5]

I'm also planning on using poison hemlock.

As for ancient Greece, I read that they usually mixed the drink with opium as painkiller and to make the death more peaceful. I can't get any opioids here, but I think that kratom should work just fine. I will order kratom online and test it before my ctb date.

That's a good idea, I hadn't read that before. Thanks for sharing that.

 

[HNR_]

Yeah grinding it up and licking the bowl would work. Boiling it might denature the Coniine, so I would let it soak in hot water for a while. Using a blender would probably work just fine as well.

Oh, awesome, that's good to know at least

Man, now I kinda want to look into that haha

Mmm, how delicious. We might as well start a sub-thread with homemade recipes for cooking pufferfish, poison hemlock, etc.

I can already see it
"The last meal megathread" haha

 

[Redhand5]

Oh, awesome, that's good to know at least

Man, now I kinda want to look into that haha

I can already see it
"The last meal megathread" haha

"Philosopher's Delight :)

 

[Redhand5]

I am sitting down to eat some hemlock. If anyone has any questions news the time. I imagine I'll lose the ability to type in about half an hour.
Happy trail one and all. I'll see you all around the next bend.