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Chabrychek

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Is the decision to commit always irrational? Or is it our survival instincts, our biology that make us think this way? Can a person truly rationally, after weighing the pros and cons, reach the conclusion that they would rather die than live? Or is the desire to end one's life always a disturbed thought?
Because yes, most suicidal people are mentally ill, which theoretically changes their assessment of reality, but why assume their decision is unjustified? After all, they know best the psychological pain and other problems they endure daily.
 
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Mr.Ruben

Mr.Ruben

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Jul 13, 2026
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I personally think it's one of those things we cannot know, or don't know yet. We know our pros and cons of death, yet we still continue but don't want to? probably because something is stopping us, now let's figure out what is it, I truly don't.
 
AgnesTachyon

AgnesTachyon

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Jun 10, 2026
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no. whatever reason a person has to preferring to die is always valid. i dont care what others say.​
 
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It can be rational. When suffering outweighs pleasure or contentment, then what's the point?
 
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ZwartHartje

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May 5, 2026
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I can't even see how it would be irrational. I think it's the same disregard for someone else's feelings, situation and right to self-determination as in those who disregard for example gay or transgender people, or asexual people like myself... Like, "why can't you be *normal* like everyone else, and just do and be what's expected of you and fulfill the role assigned to you?"
Too many people don't question that. For too many, the extent of their unhappiness has to become too unbearable before they even dare to question it.
How many things were once considered "normal" before it was realized that they were wrong? Homophobia, racism, slavery, and so much else.
 
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pthnrdnojvsc

Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
Aug 12, 2019
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the belief that most suicidal people are mentally ill is a lie . suicide can be rational as the most horrible things outweigh the pleasurable things. and a human can be caught in a trap of unbearable suffering where the only way out is suicide.

to me it's rational to want to exit this hell where you can suffer unending continuous every second unbearable pain. why would i or anyone want to take such risks and to grow old?.

i believe one can fall into a trap of unbearable pain so bad it's a billion times worse than the worst thing you can imagine.

but imo nowhere do we see the very many horrible things that can trap a human. we've seen a few cases here of people trapped in intolerable pain or suffering. i've seen many just here over the years. but seems that most of the population 99% think nothing like this can happen to them . i think it's irrational to think that way.

i also believe it's not rational to want to grow old . i worked in a nursing home. it's hell.

i would never want to be what a human is a brain that can suffer unending constant continuous unbearable pain.

why would i want to be a small animal , cells that can suffer such extreme torture for which there is always a risk?

and then have to be a slave to work so hard just to risk extreme suffering and get old which will be extreme suffering.

there is always a chance of a stroke, or brain damage while living for any human or animal with a brain .

i don't know who would want to work so hard every damn day doing endless chores , trying to fulfill needs that there was never a reason for these burdens to exist . you're a slave to the body , mind, society , other people etc. .

you wake up 'oh shit i have to get up and shower brush my teeth wash clothes , o i didn't take out the damn trash i have to , i have to i have to . this thing is broken must fix it . now stressing through traffic to get to work work all day then back again to do more chores and take care of more problems. and this is normal shit for average normies. you're hungry , thirsty all the time . one has to was the body every day , clean everything fix everything. and it's always been the case cause 50,000 years ago there were no super markets or uber eats no you had to walk barefoot miles to try to kill an animal with a rock just to eat..

if you don';t work hard to have shelter food then bad hunger pain , the agony of extreme thirst, cold wind etc. then you have make sure you eat right sleep etc, hope you don't get robbed hacked attacked put in prison unfairly ... hope some disease , accident , parasite ,stroke doesn't get you today. and this again is a normal avarage human's day. then repeat again the next day for 80 fucking years. but that they tell us is a beuatiful gift . all this just to exist to get old and risk extreme torture.

then you get a bad flu, unbearable nausea, grief from a dead relative , broken heart , depression

then there is grief, sadness , bullying , harrassment, injustice , problems , sickness, diseases,disabilities. again normal average.

but there are even worse conditions that torture a human constantly with unbearable pain . and you still have to put up with all the above but in a disabled condition.
 
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MeSauce

MeSauce

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Jun 1, 2023
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It can be rational. For instance, would you agree or disagree with a terminally ill patient who choses to end their life because they are suffering? If you agree, that rules out the absolutionists in 1 argument. Suicide can be rational in certain circumstances.
 
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wornoutandacedic

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Is the decision to commit always irrational? Or is it our survival instincts, our biology that make us think this way? Can a person truly rationally, after weighing the pros and cons, reach the conclusion that they would rather die than live? Or is the desire to end one's life always a disturbed thought?
Because yes, most suicidal people are mentally ill, which theoretically changes their assessment of reality, but why assume their decision is unjustified? After all, they know best the psychological pain and other problems they endure daily.
Is the decision to commit always irrational? Or is it our survival instincts, our biology that make us think this way? Can a person truly rationally, after weighing the pros and cons, reach the conclusion that they would rather die than live? Or is the desire to end one's life always a disturbed thought?
Because yes, most suicidal people are mentally ill, which theoretically changes their assessment of reality, but why assume their decision is unjustified? After all, they know best the psychological pain and other problems they endure daIily
for me its rational, especially after years and years of trying different strategies and ways to mitigate or deal with the underlying cause. regardless of that i see the choice to commit as the ultimate way to excercice free will, especially when you dont have a graspable reason why, even if everything you do turns to gold and you are living your "full life" as perceived by others it should be okay to just pick up and leave
 
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