I was lurking incel forum

[monolog]

and there was discussion of SN

and one particular post got my attention


"DO NOT DO THIS. I am a medical professional. You WILL die in pain using this method. If you wanna go, purchase over the counter insulin. Take that, then 100mgs of diphenhydramine. You'll fall right asleep, and never wake up. BUT contact me or a suicide hotline before you end it. I don't think anyone here needs to die."

What do you think
insulin and diphenhydramine method?

 

[nothingbutyou]

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[monolog]

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Was this take stupid or smth? Is it troll my brain is not functioning properly

 

[nothingbutyou]

Was this take stupid or smth? Is it troll my brain is not functioning properly

just bumping your post, so it get answers

 

[meddle]

well, i dont think sn is painful. sourse: i survived an attempt with sn

im also quite distrustful of insulin method. if its painless, then why "peaceful pill" doesnt say anything about this option?

 

[JassieDusk]

BUT contact me or a suicide hotline before you end it. I don't think anyone here needs to die.

Suicide prevention hotline how can I help you?
"Hey, I intend to end my own life via insulin and got told to contact you for a source"
………..
These trolls really be thinking that suicidality eats your brain cells and makes you believe them

 

[monolog]

well, i dont think sn is painful. sourse: i survived an attempt with sn

im also quite distrustful of insulin method. if its painless, then why "peaceful pill" doesnt say anything about this option?

I agree I am just curious if insulin method a joke or real thing

 

[SASU-KE]

BUT contact me or a suicide hotline before you end it. I don't think anyone here needs to die."

This person has a very high opinion of themselves.

 

[meddle]

I agree I am just curious if insulin method a joke or real thing

i would say that its posible to do a fatal overdose, but it wont be pleasant. but i am no doctor

 

[ruggatt]

Waiting

 

[INYGTRMTFMO]

I am not sure that over the counter insulin is a thing. I think that insulin always has to be prescribed. So if you go to a pharmacy and ask for over the counter insulin, you will encounter a very confused pharmacist.

 

[Pluto]

 

[sohopelessandempty]

I am not sure that over the counter insulin is a thing. I think that insulin always has to be prescribed. So if you go to a pharmacy and ask for over the counter insulin, you will encounter a very confused pharmacist.

Right, this method seems like a pain. They usually only give insulin for diabetes

 

[mjolnir]

and there was discussion of SN

and one particular post got my attention


"DO NOT DO THIS. I am a medical professional. You WILL die in pain using this method. If you wanna go, purchase over the counter insulin. Take that, then 100mgs of diphenhydramine. You'll fall right asleep, and never wake up. BUT contact me or a suicide hotline before you end it. I don't think anyone here needs to die."

What do you think
insulin and diphenhydramine method?

This sounds more like a comment from someone trying to troll you. An incel healthcare professional is already, at the very least, curious; they must have missed a lot of classes.

 

[doomerguy88]

I am not sure that over the counter insulin is a thing. I think that insulin always has to be prescribed. So if you go to a pharmacy and ask for over the counter insulin, you will encounter a very confused pharmacist.

It's looks like its available OTC in every state except Indiana. Don't know about other countries though.

 

[SDB]

well, i dont think sn is painful. sourse: i survived an attempt with sn

im also quite distrustful of insulin method. if its painless, then why "peaceful pill" doesnt say anything about this option?

What happened how did you survive will you attempt it again?

 

[meddle]

What happened how did you survive will you attempt it again?

i got scared and took 2 g instead of 25 g. thats why the process took much longer, i was found by my father and placed in the icu. not sure if i will attempt to ctb again, because then i had hopes that my loved ones will get over it, now i know they dont. so i dont plan to attempt in near future. but if i would, i would use sn again

 

[CenturiesEnd]

Ignoring the fact that a respectable medical professional would be activley using an incel forum of all places, there's no reason to believe that they have in-depth knowledge on the sensation of taking SN than what has been reported by literally every survivor of an SN attempt on this forum. When taking SN, even without anti-emetics, antacids, painkillers, benzos, etc., considerable physical pain hasn't been reported, at least not to my knowledge. At worst, nausea, headaches, panic, and other uncomfortable feelings are to be expected, but definitely not excruciating pain which is being implied by that poster.

 

[tbaslim1968]

Insulin is my current method and medical literature points to it being effective. It has to be rapid acting insulin and injected in the veins though. Lot's of failed attempts come from people just injecting insulin intramuscular. The bioavailability is not high enough this way. I don't know about it being painless though. If you inject a high enough dosage (600 UIs to 900 UIs) you should get unconscious within 30 to 60 minutes. These last 30 to 60 minutes might not be in comfort though.

 

[NeverHis]

Insulin? Painless?
Well, there is something to be said for insulin, but there is a podcast with a scandinavian doctor who has diabetes type 1, and she asked her husband how he would kill her.
He said insulin, because she already as needle marks so it won't be suspicious, and they already have it in the medical cabinet.
She said "but that's a horrible way for me to die, don't you love me enough for a peaceful exit?".
(He of course said yes, but he didn't want to get caught).

So I think I'll trust that.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Plenty of homicidal healthcare workers have murdered patients using insulin so- it will kill. But then, I imagine dosage and application are more specialist knowledge things. Maybe it's not complicated to learn how to inject yourself. But, it's still something you need to know what you're doing I imagine.

It probably also depends on which country you live in as to whether you can get it without a prescription. You can't in the UK.

If it's so painless though- why don't they use it in the VAD clinics? I imagine it's cheaper and easier to access than pentobarbital.

As for comparing the two methods- how can he know? Maybe he's right but then, I imagine all DIY versions of suicide are risky in terms of effectiveness and pain/ discomfort.

 

[Forveleth]

and there was discussion of SN

and one particular post got my attention


"DO NOT DO THIS. I am a medical professional. You WILL die in pain using this method. If you wanna go, purchase over the counter insulin. Take that, then 100mgs of diphenhydramine. You'll fall right asleep, and never wake up. BUT contact me or a suicide hotline before you end it. I don't think anyone here needs to die."

What do you think
insulin and diphenhydramine method?

There are a few posts here from people who attempted this. Obviously it did not work. Unless you are a particular type of diabetic, insulin is a non-method.

 

[SilentSadness]

There are several goodbye posts here where people describe their experience with SN, and I know that people died with it successfully. I think that's enough to discredit this person, also asking you to contact them is very shady behaviour. I would just ignore them personally, unless evidence of SN not working comes out then it's my understanding that it's still the recommended method. Obviously any method is possible to cause pain for different people but their claim doesn't match the evidence.

 

[Macedonian1987]

I've seen all the videos out there where a person is ctb via SN and none of them looked like they were in pain. They looked nauseated yes, but they don't looked like they were in pain.

I don't go to incel forums because those places are incredibly toxic and full of negativity.

 

[SDB]

i got scared and took 2 g instead of 25 g. thats why the process took much longer, i was found by my father and placed in the icu. not sure if i will attempt to ctb again, because then i had hopes that my loved ones will get over it, now i know they dont. so i dont plan to attempt in near future. but if i would, i would use sn again

Do you still have it? how bad is your suffering?

 

[meddle]

Do you still have it? how bad is your suffering?

no, my father threw it away. but the shop where i bought sn still sales it (im from russia, so its not really hard to find sn here). i would say that i didnt suffer. and it was bearable. just like the instruction says. because i took only 2 g the symptoms appeared approximately 1.5 hours later. but nothing torturous. dizziness, weakness, cyanosis. my fingers became very cold and numb and it was hard to use my phone. i was kinda stunned, could hear and see, but didnt really understand whats going on. i felt no fear (but maybe its the effect of alprazolam), no headache, no nausea (because 2 g dont really irritate the stomach)

 

[egyptian_baddie]

well my friend is planning to use insulin to suicide, even though I am not really sure if its painless

 

[tbaslim1968]

This is what I got searching on Brave:

The experience of death by insulin overdose is not consistently painless and varies significantly based on the individual and the progression of hypoglycemia. While some survivors and witnesses report that the final stages involve drifting into sleep or coma without pain, others describe the process as extremely miserable, agonizing, and traumatic due to severe hypoglycemic symptoms.

• Symptoms of Severe Hypoglycemia: Before unconsciousness, individuals often experience intense physical distress including panic, confusion, uncontrollable hunger, shaking, sweating, and extreme fear. One survivor described the experience as "agony" lasting for hours as they lost verbal and physical function.
• Seizures and Loss of Awareness: In fatal cases, the brain may shut down due to glucose depletion, potentially leading to unconsciousness before death. However, this can be preceded by painful seizures and convulsions, which some accounts describe as a "miserable" end.
• Survivor Accounts: Some who survived an overdose reported that after the initial injection, they felt only sleepiness and fatigue before losing consciousness, with no memory of the actual dying process. Conversely, others noted that the emotional trauma of the attempt and the physical suffering of the low blood sugar made the experience far from painless.

Studies indicate that insulin suicide attempts have a high rate of survival (approx. 95%), but those who do not survive or suffer severe brain damage often face a prolonged and distressing decline rather than an immediate, peaceful death.

 

[SDB]

no, my father threw it away. but the shop where i bought sn still sales it (im from russia, so its not really hard to find sn here). i would say that i didnt suffer. and it was bearable. just like the instruction says. because i took only 2 g the symptoms appeared approximately 1.5 hours later. but nothing torturous. dizziness, weakness, cyanosis. my fingers became very cold and numb and it was hard to use my phone. i was kinda stunned, could hear and see, but didnt really understand whats going on. i felt no fear (but maybe its the effect of alprazolam), no headache, no nausea (because 2 g dont really irritate the stomach)

Interesting ok but you said you would do it again? Do you think 25g would be super tough to take

 

[meddle]

Interesting ok but you said you would do it again? Do you think 25g would be super tough to take

im not sure i will, haha. im trying to live life. because before my attempt i had hopes that my close ones will heal someday. but now i know they wont

but if i ever will decide to ctb, i would use sn again. and i think that 25 g is an overkill, this amount will make you vomit for sure. i would take something like 10 g instead. if even after 2 g i ended up in the icu, then 10 g will be enough. with lower amount the chanses of vomiting are lower. but yeah, i think it will be nasty either way. 2 g were not nasty at all, i even kinda liked the taste, hahaha. i like saltiness, it even reminded me of some kind of potato chips, hahaha, with a slight touch of chemical flavor im a pervert, i know