I just want to die

[Tintypographer]

I feel the Karen's have won and will always win. Kelli and her ilk always get what they want because they won't stop. It depresses me to the point of wanting to die even more. I engaged her and her answer was "I was clearly sick and should seek help"

I wonder if that's how her son felt?

The Karen's of the world always win. That's the hopelessness you should all embrace. They will beat you down and never stop until their views are accepted. If you had an island of your own thoughts they would lay siege and never stop until you gave in. Unless you are calling the endless help lines or getting therapy you're stuck. That's it. It's that or die.

 

[Crazy4u]

You wonder if that's how her son felt? you are a good person. It is VERY clear how her son felt. I would kill myself too if I had a mom like her or similar to her.

Death of kids is a loss for everyone. Noone wins. I don't agree with you about the views. I think assisted suicide and the right to die movement will grow in the next decade. I'm optimistic about it.

 

[cambrai33]

Sorry can we please separate her son and why from this discussion, it's happened before when someone said she was fake grieving too

Slag what she is doing now all you want but losing a son is the worst thing ever, blaming her for death doesn't seem fair unless you knew him personally

You can tell me to piss off which is fine

 

[Tintypographer]

No piss off. Not what I meant. I lost a daughter to suicide before this forum existed. I had no one to be upset about and start a crusade against. She bought a gun and shot herself. That's the method. No amount of cognitive therapy or help line helped. I have depression, she had depression. I have suicidal ideation, she had suicidal ideation. It's not a thing you can sweep under the rug.

I'm angry because no one will listen to the people crying out that Cognitive therapy doesn't work if you consistently dwell on the problems and wish they would go away. Dialetcit therapy doesn't work if you don't want to embrace the memories.

I have money, houses, people working for me, a family, food, clothing, walls and a good life and I do zero drugs and drink one to two drinks per year with good food as part of the meal. And I'm completely suicidal all day every day. It's Al I think about. I have been through in patient, out patient and every drug you can name including ketamine to treat it and nothing has worked. I have everything going for me and there is no way a fucking help line of someone saying "I'm so sorry you feel that way would you like to talk about it?" Will help me.

What do I do????? The Karen Kelli can't answer the question for me and she can't answer the question for the thousands of people in my situation. It's not a death cult that brings me here. It's the deep desire to understand why after years of the best treatment money can buy, why am I still feeling this way every day? I've disappeared from here for months and that didn't solve life. Nothing has solved life. When I engaged on positive sites, the moment I dropped back into depression and suicidal ideation I was banned. Same thing on her Twitter account. The feeling I get is "we don't want you to commit suicide but if conventional treatment doesn't work, try it again and don't speak of it not working for you or you will be silenced"

 

[cambrai33]

The feeling I get is "we don't want you to commit suicide but if conventional treatment doesn't work, try it again and don't speak of it not working for you or you will be silenced"

Yes this exactly! Really good point

This is what I hate about the discussion, they offer no viable alternative, yes it will work for some but not for many others and they would leave you with nowhere to talk.

Im really sorry to hear about your daughter, truly from the heart I wish you well

 

[Snake of Eden]

It's not a death cult that brings me here. It's the deep desire to understand why after years of the best treatment money can buy, why am I still feeling this way every day?

thats the problem that there doesnt seem to always be solution. There is a grand delusion in the world that there is "help" if you ask for it but it is a mere delusion to when it comes to health in general and mental healtH more specifically. The reason for it is the veneration and awe we have for what science, technology and economic vehicle has accomplished in the last 100 years which has brought unprecedented levels of comfort and convenience to all of us that we get easily deluded that we have figured it all out. There is unhealthy level of optimism thats going around because we became very effecient at aquiring what we want that it seems everything is possible.

I recommend you watch this as what I said now was the gist of whats being discussed on this podcast

 

[rationaltake]

I think assisted suicide and the right to die movement will grow in the next decade. I'm optimistic about it.

Yes!! Me too!!