i don't want to be pro-life anymore

[flatearth]

I first joined this website to try to help and talk to people but after look through a couple threads, i realized that was wrong. i don't want to be pro-life anymore but i don't know how? could you maybe explain ctb how you see ctb through your eyes so i could understand? all my life i've been told "ctb bad" but never why.

 

[Mm80]

Why do you not want to be pro life anymore, what brought you to that conclusion ?

 

[flatearth]

Why do you not want to be pro life anymore, what brought you to that conclusion ?

the way people talk about it on this website, i saw one thread where someone was "finally going to do it" and all the replies were wishing that person peace and love. also when it comes to abortion, i am pro-choice and i thought it was hypocritical

 

[Superdeterminist]

Personally, I came to a pro-choice conclusion after realising the horrific amount of suffering there is in the world. (illness, poverty, crime, addiction, the brutality of nature, the potential for wickedness in humans, the fact you can be wrong your entire life and never know it), and this barely begins to scratch the surface of it. Appreciating this, I find it impossible to maintain that one is obliged to stay here even if they feel like they can no longer. For what reason? There is no supreme good that seems to negate this ocean of horror.

I don't believe in "living for others", or an afterlife where one is judged based on their acts in this life, so I personally find these weak counterarguments. Above all else, I believe that life should be a pleasant experience that is 'good enough'. And who can say what constitutes 'good enough'? Only the one in the seat of experience.

 

[Goodbye710]

I'm physically unable to breath a lot of the time due to a medical condition. Like having a sock stuffed in your mouth. Eventually, and because of other medical issues, living like this is suffering. That's all. I'm unable to do anything in life but concentrate on breathing. I can't even really care for myself. If I had someone that would do the basics for me in life, then I could hold out longer.

The people around me don't really care if I suffer. They just don't want me to die for their own selfishness of me being here for them.

 

[nerve]

Thank you for reconsidering your opinion on this. That's all a lot of us ever ask from people

 

[DyingAlf]

I'm glad that you've opened your mind & are willing to listen to another perspective.
I don't feel like I can gather the right words together today to help with your enlightenment but I'm sure other members will.
Thank you for asking for help to understand.

 

[flatearth]

I'm physically unable to breath a lot of the time due to a medical condition. Like having a sock stuffed in your mouth. Eventually, and because of other medical issues, living like this is suffering. That's all. I'm unable to do anything in life but concentrate on breathing. I can't even really care for myself. If I had someone that would do the basics for me in life, then I could hold out longer.

The people around me don't really care if I suffer. They just don't want me to die for their own selfishness of me being here for them.

im really sorry
thank you though, pro-lifers say it's selfish to ctb, but asking someone to live through such agony for you is selfish. i think i get it now

 

[TimeToBiteTheDust]

It's about perspective. You have to be on the shoes of suicidal people to understand sometimes. Prolifers seem to have a life in which evertyhing is in the right place everything is OK and they appreciate that and want to keep living. But for us suicidal there are things in life we can't live with and that's why we feel this way. Your mind constantly telling you "It's enough" everyday. I wish I could switch places with a non-suicidal person at least for one day to enjoy life.

 

[Ghost2211]

Whether something is taboo or not depends on the lens you view it through. In several religions suicide can be viewed as honorable, or even used to let go of the attachment of the physical body. We are very often uncomfortable with things we didn't grow up with, but perhaps learning some of the more unique differences from other cultures would help open your mind to normalizing unfamiliar things.

Pro choice already exists in this world in other ways such as abortion, sexuality, having children or not, alcohol consumption, and basically anything else you could say is freedom of our own body and emotions could be put under the umbrella of pro choice. Adding suicide to that list simply broadens the range of what the right to our own body and emotions to the next level. That doesn't mean we want people to suicide, but rather they are loved and valued enough that they deserve to have the ultimate say in their own body and wellbeing.

 

[TimeToBiteTheDust]

I mean, can you say to a woman who has been raped that life is beautiful? Can you say that to a mother who lost her child? For some people life is beautiful and for others it's a torture. So stop and let everyone decide what they want to do with their lives. It's OK to end it if you don't want to go on suffering. Some people can't be saved.

 

[VIBRITANNIA]

if people are brought into this world against their will, then they should at least have the choice to let themselves out of this world should they not want to live in it anymore.

 

[flatearth]

Whether something is taboo or not depends on the lens you view it through. In several religions suicide can be viewed as honorable, or even used to let go of the attachment of the physical body. We are very often uncomfortable with things we didn't grow up with, but perhaps learning some of the more unique differences from other cultures would help open your mind to normalizing unfamiliar things.

Pro choice already exists in this world in other ways such as abortion, sexuality, having children or not, alcohol consumption, and basically anything else you could say is freedom of our own body and emotions could be put under the umbrella of pro choice. Adding suicide to that list simply broadens the range of what the right to our own body and emotions to the next level. That doesn't mean we want people to suicide, but rather they are loved and valued enough that they deserve to have the ultimate say in their own body and wellbeing.

thank you, i get it now. i'm pro-choice with everything else, it just makes sense

 

[SadGuyWannaDie]

thank you, i get it now. i'm pro-choice with everything else, it just makes sense

Thank you @flatearth so many people here are suffering only because our families won't come to the understanding that you just did. The world would truly be a better place if more people understood that "live and let live" also means "live and let die".

 

[Mm80]

the way people talk about it on this website, i saw one thread where someone was "finally going to do it" and all the replies were wishing that person peace and love. also when it comes to abortion, i am pro-choice and i thought it was hypocritical

Im glad your seeing it for what it is, a community of people who are brought together by suffering, and have compassion for each other and respect each others right to end the suffering. Theres also a recovery section for folks who are trying to keep living. We are honestly not a death cult that spur each other on to ctb, quite often the opposite.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I first joined this website to try to help and talk to people but after look through a couple threads, i realized that was wrong. i don't want to be pro-life anymore but i don't know how? could you maybe explain ctb how you see ctb through your eyes so i could understand? all my life i've been told "ctb bad" but never why.

im really sorry
thank you though, pro-lifers say it's selfish to ctb, but asking someone to live through such agony for you is selfish. i think i get it now

How did the internet not just implode??

 

[Deleted member 17949]

I think the fundamental thing to understand is that you don't have to want people to die or be comfortable with them dying - that isn't what being pro choice is about. What you need to acknowledge is that sometimes people lack the energy or ability to engage with life, and they may choose to end their lives to avoid suffering. It's always sad but if you understand why it happens that's a step.

 

[Wayfaerer]

thank you, i get it now. i'm pro-choice with everything else, it just makes sense

I'm glad you see it that way. It is blatantly hypocritical to be pro-choice for abortion but not for suicide. You see this, so this means that you have self-awareness and are capable of self-reflection. I wish more pro-lifers were capable of introspection...

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I'm very curious about your joining! How did you find out about the site? And what was your motivation to bring pro-life to the site -- were you part of a pro-life group that targets the forum for intervention, did you stumble upon the site and decide to try to intervene, or...?

 

[Cherrypea]

Thank you for understanding x

 

[flatearth]

I'm very curious about your joining! How did you find out about the site? And what was your motivation to bring pro-life to the site -- were you part of a pro-life group that targets the forum for intervention, did you stumble upon the site and decide to try to intervene, or...?

i was signing a petition to get a website ab pedophilia removed on change.org, and after you sign, it recommends more petitions. one of the recommendations was to get rid of this website and i was curious, so i joined. could i link the petition so you could see what i saw?
and i was not part of an organization, i just thought "it was the right thing to do"

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

i was signing a petition to get a website ab pedophilia removed on change.org, and after you sign, it recommends more petitions. one of the recommendations was to get rid of this website and i was curious, so i joined. could i link the petition so you could see what i saw?
and i was not part of an organization, i just thought "it was the right thing to do"

Thanks for your response!

We're aware of the petition. Some newer folks might not be, but it's come up several times (they can put "petition" in the site search).

 

[softfuzzyman]

Oof haha the fact that pro-lifers wanna ban this forum is sick and twisted. They don't wanna talk with us about how we actually feel, why we actually feel this way, they don't wanna listen, and they wanna take away a place where we can actually talk about our struggles and feelings without judgment with people who actually empathize and care and actually offer feedback and support and do listen, instead of what pro-lifers do which is to ignore everything they dont wanna hear or talk about because it's ~uncomfortable~ for them... and instead just offer the same useless platitudes over and over and over. People who sign that petition will feel good about themselves and then go on to do absolutely nothing to actually help and support suicidal people and it's sickening. The problem so many of us have with pro-lifers is that if the effort was to actually put in place meaningful, life changing support that could actually help suicidal people in a realistic way, and have the understanding that some people's circumstances and mental health just can't be fixed, that'd be one thing. But that's not how it is. Instead, they don't want to actually offer any care or support or help, they just want to prevent suicide, not make people actually feel better, just stop them from acting on it while still continuing to be miserable, and then they turn around and pat themselves on the back for "saving" someone and it's disgusting. The pro lifer will just smile and pat your shoulder and go It Gets Better :~) and go gee whiz look I saved someone today I'm so good. And then when confronted with the fact that oh hey look it didn't get better, it hasn't gotten better for 20 years, they just tune that part out.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Oof haha the fact that pro-lifers wanna ban this forum is sick and twisted. They don't wanna talk with us about how we actually feel, why we actually feel this way, they don't wanna listen, and they wanna take away a place where we can actually talk about our struggles and feelings without judgment with people who actually empathize and care and actually offer feedback and support and do listen, instead of what pro-lifers do which is to ignore everything they dont wanna hear or talk about because it's ~uncomfortable~ for them... and instead just offer the same useless platitudes over and over and over. People who sign that petition will feel good about themselves and then go on to do absolutely nothing to actually help and support suicidal people and it's sickening. The problem so many of us have with pro-lifers is that if the effort was to actually put in place meaningful, life changing support that could actually help suicidal people in a realistic way, and have the understanding that some people's circumstances and mental health just can't be fixed, that'd be one thing. But that's not how it is. Instead, they don't want to actually offer any care or support or help, they just want to prevent suicide, not make people actually feel better, just stop them from acting on it while still continuing to be miserable, and then they turn around and pat themselves on the back for "saving" someone and it's disgusting. The pro lifer will just smile and pat your shoulder and go It Gets Better :~) and go gee whiz look I saved someone today I'm so good. And then when confronted with the fact that oh hey look it didn't get better, it hasn't gotten better for 20 years, they just tune that part out.

But the OP was pro-life and took the opportunity to listen before trying to make an impact and was instead impacted. So not all pro-lifers are as you're condemning them to be, they don't all believe the same things, do the same things, or fit in the same box, just as we are not how they generally paint us to be, as the OP noticed when reading the forum. It's dangerous to vilify people and reduce them to a few simple characteristics. They're human and fallible, too. We may be harmed by some of their actions, but remember that many of them have lost a loved one to suicide and feel harmed by that, and therefore consider suicide an evil and an enemy, as well as anyone they perceive to be encouraging it.

 

[flatearth]

Thanks for your response!

We're aware of the petition. Some newer folks might not be, but it's come up several times (they can put "petition" in the site search).

do you think it will actually work?

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

do you think it will actually work?

No.

 

[muffin222]

Thank you for taking the time to ask this question and widen your perspective It means so much. You're a rare breed in the pro-life world

 

[Checkmate3]

I was about to CTB by overdosing with Hydrocod/Acetam + alcohol, but thanks to this site, I learned that not only would it not work, but it would turn my personal hell into a hell on steroids by damaging my liver.

People who're determined to escape, still going to escape. But because of the "pro-lifers" it will be much more painful, much more miserable, much more frightening, and much more messier for others to clean.
Supporters of life imprisonment think they're the good guys. Oh please, they're quite the opposite. Demons in disguise.