How cruel & selfish can you be in order to even think giving birth to another that is going to get old, suffer and die anyway?

[Freakazette]

...or/and even try sooo damn hard to die before too much unnecessary and painful time will pass by? Everything getting even worse! Dunno who said that time heals...geezez

 

[Symbiote]

Time doesn't heal, it just numbs the pain long enough for it to gel over and you're like meh about it. Even after learning from the pain, it will always be there and will follow you no matter what.

 

[Pookie]

I was an "accident", I wasn't a planned baby. Some parents don't even think about the consequences, they just give in to their animal instincts and then a baby happens. My parents are one of the reasons why I never had children. Because I'm terrified that I'll be a bad parent and screw my children up just like my parents did. Now I can't blame my parents for all my problems in life, but they definitely failed me.

 

[Jean Améry]

I don't think it's cruelty per se: most people aren't psychopaths so they're not set on purposefully hurting another human-being let alone their own child. Most of them actually think they're doing their offspring a favour based on the fact that they themselves aren't currently suffering grievously and death is still far away.

The problem is that people are brainwashed by a combination of biology (urge to reproduce) and culture (celebration of fertility and social pressure to add to the population): this is hard to overcome.

Of course rationally speaking it's rather incomprehensible that people do in fact inflict on someone-else (their offspring) what they themselves fear and loathe: suffering and death. My conclusion is that mankind isn't rational (not primarily anyway) which accounts for the fact that humans are able to ignore very basic information about reality (facts of life) and delude themselves into thinking the biological Will-to-Live is somehow benign and staying alive for aslong as possible (both as individuals and as a species) will somehow accomplish anything while in reality it's simply postponing the inevitable; death for the individual and extinction for the species.

If we were a truly rational species we would have died out long ago.

 

[BlankUser]

I was a planned child. My parents decided to play a happy family and thought it will be cool to have a kid. They threw me into this world, then gave me a bare minimum and then neglected me for good. I grew up in a dysfunctional family and it messed me up.

"...are you not responsible to him for all the tears he will shed, from the cradle to the grave? Without you he would never have been born, and why is he born? For your amusement, not for his, that's for sure; to carry your name, the name of a fool, I'll be bound – you may as well write that name on some wall; why do you need a man to bear the burden of three or four letters?"

Gustave Flaubert

 

[ClownMe]

I was a planned child. My parents decided to play a happy family and thought it will be cool to have a kid. They threw me into this world, then gave me a bare minimum and then neglected me for good. I grew up in a dysfunctional family and it messed me up.

This is almost identical to me.

 

[WornOutLife]

Really selfish and mean!!!

Those people think they're doing a great job by giving birth to new individuals just because the goddamn society brainwashed them. They are clueless.

Hugs,

Matt

 

[Freakazette]

Really selfish and mean!!!

Those people think they're doing a great job by giving birth to new individuals just because the goddamn society brainwashed them. They are clueless.

Hugs,

Matt

@WornOutLife , do you really mean that? That's exactly-exactly my point of view!

 

[WornOutLife]

@WornOutLife , do you really mean that? That's exactly-exactly my point of view!

Yes, I do!
I'm glad we agree to agree! ;)

 

[Charmolypi]

I agree with your sentiment, but most people don't see it that way.

They are convinced that the joy will eventually be worth the pain, that it's better to be alive than not to be at all. They like thinking that everything has a solution, that the troubles will eventually be over, that life needs to be lived because that's all they have. I will say that I envy them, but I don't envy those who have not benefited from life and would rather not be here.

 

[Sslsh]

Breeding should be banned and humans should die off. There is no way we are taking over the universe anyways.

 

[FuneralCry]

People only decide to have children out of selfishness really. There is so much pain and suffering in this world and the potential for so many things to go wrong, it is better to not exist. Being ignorant of this world sounds like a wonderful thing. Sometimes I wish I wasn't born in the first place.

 

[NormaJeane]

Yeah, how can people have children into a world where we will be disabled and suffer of old age, how could our parents have children into a world of meaningless suffering? And then they force us to live. Why have children into a world where everything will die eventually anyway? I do not want to be old and I do not want another person to suffer in a world of meaningless suffering.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

My parents did their best. They created a enormous opportunities. They were not perfect. I was dealt pretty good hand. I'm not a good card player. Impulsive. Anxious. Weak.

 

[Belljar]

Some people have decent lives so it's worth it. Before I ruined my life I was glad to exist.

 

[TheHatedOne]

they just give in to their primitive instincts, nothing more. we like to parade as ''rational'' species but in the end we're all just animals, also slaves to evolution. but yeah, bringing someone in this meat prison where suffering is at every corner is outrageous. Bad moments are endless, while good moments are almost just an illusion.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

Some people have decent lives so it's worth it. Before I ruined my life I was glad to exist.

Me too mostly

I used to have this test to see if I was happy- I would ask myself 1. do I want to be alive- ? If so that meant I was happy… 2. Am I ambivalent… ?I don't care if I'm alive or dead…? That means Im neither happy and unhappy 3. Wish I was dead… ? That's the spot I've never been in until now

 

[mrhighwaysend]

from a biological standpoint your only job in life is to bring your genetics into the next generation