even if this site was "pro suicide" i would still use the forum and support it

[Awesomefoid67]

like for one, given it already has that reputation not much would change in terms of that. plus, i doubt anyone who isnt seriously suicidal would be searching for this website so it's not like the site would influence perfectly normal healthy people into doing it.

i don't really see an issue with being "pro suicide", i wouldnt really use the label myself but many would ascribe it to me because i believe that human liberty and autonomy means anyone should be able to end their lives if they wish for whatever reason (i just generally believe people should be allowed to do literally whatever they want with their body aslong as it doesnt cause direct harm to others. you can chop your arm off if you want, do whatever drugs you want, even permanently dye your skin blue if you want to idc)

also i dont think "pro suicide" even necessarily means actively pushing others to do it or whatever which this site doesnt, to me it just sounds like "not actively discouraging it" which is why many ascribe the label to this site and i dont see anything wrong with that tbh

maybe im like in the minority here but idk.

 

[Aknu132]

For me, suicide never seems like a bad decision, even if you kill yourself today and tomorrow scientists find a cure for your problem, you now can't feel bad, you can no longer have regret or feel anything. Today I am 21 years old, I have thought about killing myself since I was 12, and if I had done it I would have avoided so much suffering. It's better to be pro-suicide than pro-life; being pro-choice can still lead to suffering, as we humans make some fucked up decisions that makes us suffer more and more. Only those who keep trying to improve in this rotten world can suffer.

 

[1nocares]

Not sure myself, but I completely agree with you. If I had to give an extreme example on how much I agree, this brings to mind the consensual cannibalism case. I don't know, can't believe I'm saying this, but it seems kind of okay(???) to me in a sense of personal autonomy. The fact that both people consented… Maybe that's too much. Point is, there is a moral stance to everything sure, but to what extent? We are already judged for ending our own lives. In the sense that it's a sin to do so, you'll go to hell for it. I don't know, maybe I'm just talking out my ass

 

[Aknu132]

Not sure myself, but I completely agree with you. If I had to give an extreme example on how much I agree, this brings to mind the consensual cannibalism case. I don't know, can't believe I'm saying this, but it seems kind of okay(???) to me in a sense of personal autonomy. The fact that both people consented… Maybe that's too much. Point is, there is a moral stance to everything sure, but to what extent? We are already judged for ending our own lives. In the sense that it's a sin to do so, you'll go to hell for it. I don't know, maybe I'm just talking out my ass

A person can be so broken that they end up making decisions they believe are right, but that's all because they're mentally unwell. a child can consent to have sex with an adult, but i don't need to explain for you that it's wrong even if they consent. An adult might also think they are consenting to something when in reality they are not and actually are being used by other people.

 

[so-so2]

For me, suicide never seems like a bad decision, even if you kill yourself today and tomorrow scientists find a cure for your problem, you now can't feel bad, you can no longer have regret or feel anything. Today I am 21 years old, I have thought about killing myself since I was 12, and if I had done it I would have avoided so much suffering. It's better to be pro-suicide than pro-life; being pro-choice can still lead to suffering, as we humans make some fucked up decisions that makes us suffer more and more. Only those who keep trying to improve in this rotten world can suffer.

Just curious, if you feel that way, why haven't you done it yet?

 

[Aknu132]

Just curious, if you feel that way, why haven't you done it yet?

Because we are not extremely logical beings, but rather emotional ones. For example, right now I'm consuming a high amount of sweet food. From a logical point of view, I know this will ruin my health, but my urge to eat is so strong that it overrides my logic. and that extends to every decision in my life, but of course some people can surprass they instinct more then others.

 

[tvc15]

i honestly feel like everyone here must feel this way, at least in the back of their minds. because otherwise why would they use this forum, genuinely? it's reasonable that there are people out there who think suicide should be prevented, and that tutorials on how to kill yourself and threads maladaptively sulking in depression shouldn't be available to mentally ill people. however, these people wouldn't seek out and use a forum that does that.

 

[diviosd]

well, to me the word "pro" suicide feels like saying I think suicide is a generally good thing or something I encourage, which is not true. but I agree with your sentiment. I think suicide sometimes is people's only option, or the best option, or even if it's not either I think it's everyone's choice to decide how or if they live their life which includes the choice to end it. everyone lives and dies for themself and I think it's their choice to do so and there's alone, and nobody else needs a say in it. however, suicide is still always a tragedy. it's tragic that anyone had to go through pain hard enough for long enough to take the choice to end their life, or that realistically they accepted the pain they'd need to endure in order to end their life, and it's still a tragedy for the people around them who are dealing with their loss so no I could never call myself pro suicide because I could never twist that situation to be a good situation like that term is implying but yes I am pro choice and believe that's the only logical stance anyone should have towards the matter really.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I'm not so sure. Maybe you wouldn't get people actively pushing others to suicide but, I imagine it would make it even more pessimistic/ promortalist in tone.

As it is, there have always been factions pulling it one way or another. Some who hate any ounce of positivity or even humour here. Others who think we should be questioning suicide as an option- more. I just think it's better to accomodate all- because we do all have different points of view.

Personally, I like it that there's a 'Recovery' section for example. Not that I use it much but- it feels like a place people can still go if they are moving more towards life than death. I doubt a pro- suicide site would want that element. Even 'Off Topic', they would probably find too flippant.

I tend to think- if the site had been pro- suicide when I joined- I likely still would have- to research methods. Although, I'm not actually convinced I would want to interact with it so much.

I think a number of people also use this site for the purposes of distraction. In that regard, I think it's more interesting to allow a range of opinions here. Plus, that it has lighter sides to it here and there.

 

[Awesomefoid67]

Not sure myself, but I completely agree with you. If I had to give an extreme example on how much I agree, this brings to mind the consensual cannibalism case. I don't know, can't believe I'm saying this, but it seems kind of okay(???) to me in a sense of personal autonomy. The fact that both people consented… Maybe that's too much. Point is, there is a moral stance to everything sure, but to what extent? We are already judged for ending our own lives. In the sense that it's a sin to do so, you'll go to hell for it. I don't know, maybe I'm just talking out my ass

theres nothing wrong with cannibalism if both people involved enthusiastically consent (and have the capacity to consent of course, and arent pressured into it) tbh. theres nothing wrong with anything that two (or even more) people do together consensually that doesnt harm anyone else.

A person can be so broken that they end up making decisions they believe are right, but that's all because they're mentally unwell. a child can consent to have sex with an adult, but i don't need to explain for you that it's wrong even if they consent. An adult might also think they are consenting to something when in reality they are not and actually are being used by other people.

just because someone is mentally unwell doesnt mean they cant consent thats incredibly ableist what the fuck. also either way being into cannibalism doednt make you unwell. infact kind of tmi but i would consent to someone eating part of me (provided it's a small part and doesnt impede my function too much), that doesnt make me mentally unwell (i am unwell but for seperate reasons) and doesnt make my consent less valid.

also yes people can be manipulated into consenting, but people can be manipulated into consenting to regular sex , does that mean you think sex is bad?

it literally harms no one else, the only reason someone could think its wrong is just moral puritanism tbh.

 

[Aknu132]

just because someone is mentally unwell doesnt mean they cant consent thats incredibly ableist what the fuck. also either way being into cannibalism doednt make you unwell. infact kind of tmi but i would consent to someone eating part of me (provided it's a small part and doesnt impede my function too much), that doesnt make me mentally unwell (i am unwell but for seperate reasons) and doesnt make my consent less valid.

It depends on what the person are consenting to, consenting to cannibalism is a sign of severe mental health problems, the person have gone to so much that even cannibalism seems okay now, but you will only hurt yourself and regret doing it, consenting to something inherently bad will lead into more pain, that is way suicide is not bad because you will not suffer. The idea I'm trying to convey here is that anything you "consent to" and that leads to more pain, will make you regret it sooner or later, such as a cannibalism.

also yes people can be manipulated into consenting, but people can be manipulated into consenting to regular sex , does that mean you think sex is bad?

it literally harms no one else, the only reason someone could think its wrong is just moral puritanism tbh.

No, it means that manipulation is bad, regardless of the context. You are making a false equivalence here. If someone is manipulated or coerced into having 'regular sex,' that is called sexual assault or emotional abuse. The consent in that scenario is invalid and wrong. Sex is not bad, i'm not being puritan.

 

[Awesomefoid67]

It depends on what the person are consenting to, consenting to cannibalism is a sign of severe mental health problems, the person have gone to so much that even cannibalism seems okay now, but you will only hurt yourself and regret doing it, consenting to something inherently bad will lead into more pain, that is way suicide is not bad because you will not suffer. The idea I'm trying to convey here is that anything you "consent to" and that leads to more pain, will make you regret it sooner or later, such as a cannibalism.

No, it means that manipulation is bad, regardless of the context. You are making a false equivalence here. If someone is manipulated or coerced into having 'regular sex,' that is called sexual assault or emotional abuse. The consent in that scenario is invalid and wrong. Sex is not bad, i'm not being puritan.

you are being a puritan though because why does it bother you what two consenting people do that doesnt harm anyone else?

 

[Aknu132]

you are being a puritan though because why does it bother you what two consenting people do that doesnt harm anyone else?

Consent doesn't make it right. When someone consents to their own harm—whether because they are naive, foolish, or unstable—they are just being used.

 

[Awesomefoid67]

Consent doesn't make it right. When someone consents to their own harm—whether because they are naive, foolish, or unstable—they are just being used.

thats not how it works. bdsm exists and no one there is being "used", both parties get enjoyment out of it and consent to it. same for other things that dont hurt other unconsenting people. theres 0 good reason other than "waah its morally bad and scary waaah" to be against it. it literally doesnt affect you at all what others do in the privacy of their own homes.

 

[Aknu132]

thats not how it works. bdsm exists and no one there is being "used", both parties get enjoyment out of it and consent to it. same for other things that dont hurt other unconsenting people. theres 0 good reason other than "waah its morally bad and scary waaah" to be against it. it literally doesnt affect you at all what others do in the privacy of their own homes.

BDSM doesn't exist in a vacuum. We live in a patriarchal culture that normalizes violence against women, and then repackages that violence as 'pleasure' or 'kink'. When women are conditioned by pornography and misogyny to accept abuse, that's not genuine consent—it's a rotten culture brainwashing women into believing that violence is love.

 

[Awesomefoid67]

BDSM doesn't exist in a vacuum. We live in a patriarchal culture that normalizes violence against women, and then repackages that violence as 'pleasure' or 'kink'. When women are conditioned by pornography and misogyny to accept abuse, that's not genuine consent—it's a rotten culture brainwashing women into believing that violence is love.

implying women can't consent to that kind of stuff is actually misogynistic. you dont think women have the ability to consent to anything other than regular sex?

alot of people who are into bdsm are people who have been victims of the patriarchy and for alot of people it's a way to like reclaim their autonomy or fight back.

also your replies read like theyre written by chatgpt. theres all the signs. the rule of threes, em dashes, and "its not x its y" (your first replies don't really and they're written very differently to your last few so you definitely turned to chatgpt for your arguments lol)
literally most people i know into this stuff have been victims of sa or other similar things, and theyre all staunch feminists

 

[Aknu132]

implying women can't consent to that kind of stuff is actually misogynistic. you dont think women have the ability to consent to anything other than regular sex?

It's not only women, it's everyone that consent to pain, people that consent to any pain are being used by others and manipulated by others or the system, woman is the biggest victim of this. Regular sex is the right one, the real love, there's no manipulation, there's no pain, there's only the true love. Pain is not love.

alot of people who are into bdsm are people who have been victims of the patriarchy and for alot of people it's a way to like reclaim their autonomy or fight back.

It only hurt them more in the long run, they need real help, therapy, love, it doesn't need to be this way. They are not reclaiming autonomy or fighting back, they actually are just being used by patriarchy even more. BDSM is from the patriarchy.

also your replies read like theyre written by chatgpt. theres all the signs. the rule of threes, em dashes, and "its not x its y" (your first replies don't really and they're written very differently to your last few so you definitely turned to chatgpt for your arguments lol)
literally most people i know into this stuff have been victims of sa or other similar things, and theyre all staunch feminists

I'm brazilian, i can't fully write in English, I first write my text as best as i can and then i send my text to AI to correct any grammar error that i do.

 

[Awesomefoid67]

It's not only women, it's everyone that consent to pain, people that consent to any pain are being used by others and manipulated by others or the system, woman is the biggest victim of this. Regular sex is the right one, the real love, there's no manipulation, there's no pain, there's only the true love. Pain is not love.

It only hurt them more in the long run, they need real help, therapy, love, it doesn't need to be this way. They are not reclaiming autonomy or fighting back, they actually are just being used by patriarchy even more. BDSM is from the patriarchy.

I'm brazilian, i can't fully write in English, I first write my text as best as i can and then i send my text to AI to correct any grammar error that i do.

im just gonna link this thread that debunks all your arguments and leave it at that. lots of articles and studies there that debunk everything youre saying. feel free to read or don't if you just wanna keep coping and refuse to admit you're wrong. (it also goes into many other similar arguments especially about the difference between fiction and reality)
actually if you want more specific ones theres this , also this

basically every psychologist and researcher believes that this stuff is fine, so you're disagreeing with actual experts
fuck it have even more , ,

 

[Aknu132]

im not reading all those links, quantity dont mean truth. pointing to psychology to say rape fantasies are okay dont prove nothing. for decades psychology literally said that being gay was a severe mental illness and they did lobotomies on people. science operates inside the patriarchy, it only describes how people cope with a broken system. of course these fantasies are common because women are fed violence since they are born. when a rotten culture brainwashes you to find your own degradation pleasurable, calling it science dont make it right. it is not liberation, it is just successful exploitation and the patriarchy using women even more.

 

[Awesomefoid67]

im not reading all those links, quantity dont mean truth. pointing to psychology to say rape fantasies are okay dont prove nothing. for decades psychology literally said that being gay was a severe mental illness and they did lobotomies on people. science operates inside the patriarchy, it only describes how people cope with a broken system. of course these fantasies are common because women are fed violence since they are born. when a rotten culture brainwashes you to find your own degradation pleasurable, calling it science dont make it right. it is not liberation, it is just successful exploitation and the patriarchy using women even more.

"im not reading your evidence because i don't want to be proven wrong"
you can keep being wrong if you want i guess lmao but i know that im right and i have evidence to back my claims up while yours are just based on feelings
also you're literally using ai to make arguments for you lmfao, kinda pathetic overall

 

[whitetaildeer]

"im not reading your evidence because i don't want to be proven wrong"
you can keep being wrong if you want i guess lmao but i know that im right and i have evidence to back my claims up while yours are just based on feelings
also you're literally using ai to make arguments for you lmfao, kinda pathetic overall

adding a cherry to the shit sundae: this is a male trying to argue against you (a woman) about consent and how he thinks women cannot give it in certain conditions just because he thinks so. lol

 

[Aknu132]

"im not reading your evidence because i don't want to be proven wrong"
you can keep being wrong if you want i guess lmao but i know that im right and i have evidence to back my claims up while yours are just based on feelings

there's a lot of study, researchs, papers, academics books saying the complete opposite of what you send to me. You sending a bunch of supposedly evidences doesn't prove nothing. you just send a bunch of things without trying to argue. I don't need to read the whole Bible or the Quran to prove that god isn't real.

also you're literally using ai to make arguments for you lmfao, kinda pathetic overall

as i said, i'm not fluent in english and i need to use ai to correct my grammar and translate some words that i don't know.

adding a cherry to the shit sundae: this is a male trying to argue against you (a woman) about consent and how he thinks women cannot give it in certain conditions just because he thinks so. lol
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Only woman can argue about consent now? and BDSM does not affect only women, but man too, especially gay man. but women is the majority of the victims. Patriarchy affects everyone.

 

[whitetaildeer]

Only woman can argue about consent now? and BDSM does not affect only women, but man too, especially gay man. but women is the majority of the victims. Patriarchy affects everyone.

You're mansplaining to a woman about the conditions in which women can or cannot give consent. She gives you resources to back up her claims and you don't even bother to give them the time of day. I understand we are all victims of patriarchy but you cannot speak for women nor their experiences.

 

[Aknu132]

You're mansplaining to a woman about the conditions in which women can or cannot give consent. She gives you resources to back up her claims and you don't even bother to give them the time of day. I understand we are all victims of patriarchy but you cannot speak for women nor their experiences.

Patriarchy use bdsm and fucked up kinks to really mansplaining women, tell them that pain are okay and should be tolerated and pursued. I'm arguing against the patriarchy not against womens. she sends me a ton of resources, quantity does not mean quality, i could have send her a shit ton of resources too but that's a dishonest way to have a discussion. if she really have read all that resources then use the resources to argue with me here, she probally even not read all of thoses.

 

[Awesomefoid67]

Patriarchy use bdsm and fucked up kinks to really mansplaining women, tell them that pain are okay and should be tolerated and pursued. I'm arguing against the patriarchy not against womens. she sends me a ton of resources, quantity does not mean quality, i could have send her a shit ton of resources too but that's a dishonest way to have a discussion. if she really have read all that resources then use the resources to argue with me here, she probally even not read all of thoses.

or you could actually read my resources to assess the quality of them and actually engage in the debate instead of being a pathetic little shit who thinks he knows more about the patriarchy and women and feminism than an actual fucking woman who's a staunch feminist and has done lots of research on this topic? literally mansplaining.

You're mansplaining to a woman about the conditions in which women can or cannot give consent. She gives you resources to back up her claims and you don't even bother to give them the time of day. I understand we are all victims of patriarchy but you cannot speak for women nor their experiences.

men mansplaining feminism to women will never stop being both funny and extremely infuriating to me

adding a cherry to the shit sundae: this is a male trying to argue against you (a woman) about consent and how he thinks women cannot give it in certain conditions just because he thinks so. lol
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literally peak patriarchy right there, men think they can tell women what they can and cant consent to and completely ignore and argue with women who try to speak against that

there's a lot of study, researchs, papers, academics books saying the complete opposite of what you send to me. You sending a bunch of supposedly evidences doesn't prove nothing. you just send a bunch of things without trying to argue. I don't need to read the whole Bible or the Quran to prove that god isn't real.

as i said, i'm not fluent in english and i need to use ai to correct my grammar and translate some words that i don't know.

Only woman can argue about consent now? and BDSM does not affect only women, but man too, especially gay man. but women is the majority of the victims. Patriarchy affects everyone.

if you have those studies then why dont you send them? i'll read them if you read the ones i sent.
men are so tiresome

 

[Aknu132]

or you could actually read my resources to assess the quality of them and actually engage in the debate instead of being a pathetic little shit who thinks he knows more about the patriarchy and women and feminism than an actual fucking woman who's a staunch feminist and has done lots of research on this topic? literally mansplaining.

There's a lot of woman who are also feminist that doesn't agree with anything you say, what makes you the special one?

men mansplaining feminism to women will never stop being both funny and extremely infuriating to me

patriarchy is the real mansplaining, making those fucked up kinks as normal, mansplaining to women that they should like being hurt.

literally peak patriarchy right there, men think they can tell women what they can and cant consent to and completely ignore and argue with women who try to speak against that

You don't need to listen to me, there's woman that are against of all this you are defending.

if you have those studies then why dont you send them? i'll read them if you read the ones i sent.
men are so tiresome

Why don't just use they here against me, i'm willing to listen to them.

 

[Awesomefoid67]

There's a lot of woman who are also feminist that doesn't agree with anything you say, what makes you the special one?

patriarchy is the real mansplaining, making those fucked up kinks as normal, mansplaining to women that they should like being hurt.

they arent feminists lmao most of them aee radfems who are definitely not feminist. they believe in biological determinism which to them means all men are inherently violent and bad and all women are inherently peaceful and good which 1. is not true and not helpful at all and 2. implying its in mens nature to fo those things is actively anti feminist because it says the problem cant be solved

lots of people claim to be feminists but arent. also no, you are the one mansplaining to women that women can't consent of their own free will to anything other than pure wholesome vanilla sex which is 1. puritan 2. sexist because it implies women are fragile creatures who don't know whats best for themselves and 3. just fucking rude tbh. i am a woman. i know whats it like to exist as a woman under the patriarchy. you don't and yet you still think you can dictate to me how the patriarchy effects women? that's the fucking definition of mansplaining. you're actually really beginning to piss me off with how sexist you're being, thinking you know better than me about the stuff i have to fucking live through.

i cant go outside at night without the risk of something terrible happening. i'm at a higher risk of being assaulted. every time i leave the house im terrified someone is going to do something horrible to me just because im a woman. i have to fucking live through the patriarchy while being a woman and you get to enjoy all the fucking privileges of it and not have to worry sbout sny of that nearly as much and you think you can fucking dictate to me how it works? fuck off.

There's a lot of woman who are also feminist that doesn't agree with anything you say, what makes you the special one?

patriarchy is the real mansplaining, making those fucked up kinks as normal, mansplaining to women that they should like being hurt.

You don't need to listen to me, there's woman that are against of all this you are defending.

Why don't just use they here against me, i'm willing to listen to them.

why don't you just read them? afraid your argument might be shattered because you're a loser who can't just take the l and admit you're wrong? typical fragile man.
gonna go listen to scene queen cus god this has put in a man hating mood rn

 

[Aknu132]

they arent feminists lmao most of them aee radfems who are definitely not feminist.

Only your way of feminism is the right one, okay, okay, i get it, lol.

they believe in biological determinism which to them means all men are inherently violent and bad and all women are inherently peaceful and good which 1. is not true and not helpful at all and 2. implying its in mens nature to fo those things is actively anti feminist because it says the problem cant be solved

No they don't believe in this, you are just cherry picking now. Every community you will find some crazy fucked up people that say shit.

lots of people claim to be feminists but arent. also no,

only your idea of feminism is right, okay, okay.

you are the one mansplaining to women that women can't consent of their own free will to anything other than pure wholesome vanilla sex which is 1. puritan 2. sexist because it implies women are fragile creatures who don't know whats best for themselves and 3. just fucking rude tbh. i am a woman. i know whats it like to exist as a woman under the patriarchy. you don't and yet you still think you can dictate to me how the patriarchy effects women? that's the fucking definition of mansplaining. you're actually really beginning to piss me off with how sexist you're being, thinking you know better than me about the stuff i have to fucking live through.

Anyone who consents to something that leads to more pain is being used, whether man or woman, anyone. I'm not implying that women are fragile creatures, I'm implying that everyone should be treated with respect and shouldn't be toys to be used. Yes, you are a woman living in a patriarchal society, but patriarchy affects everyone, and other women who also live in this society have a very different opinion from yours. So why does your view have to be automatically right just because you're a woman?

i cant go outside at night without the risk of something terrible happening. i'm at a higher risk of being assaulted. every time i leave the house im terrified someone is going to do something horrible to me just because im a woman. i have to fucking live through the patriarchy while being a woman and you get to enjoy all the fucking privileges of it and not have to worry sbout sny of that nearly as much and you think you can fucking dictate to me how it works? fuck off.

And those fucked up kinks are just making men more and more evil, even teenagers are now trying to choke girls because they see it on porn, these kinks are making people normalise evilness.

why don't you just read them? afraid your argument might be shattered because you're a loser who can't just take the l and admit you're wrong? typical fragile man.
gonna go listen to scene queen cus god this has put in a man hating mood rn

prove to me that YOU read them and argument with me here.

 

[Awesomefoid67]

Only your way of feminism is the right one, okay, okay, i get it, lol.

No they don't believe in this, you are just cherry picking now. Every community you will find some crazy fucked up people that say shit.

only your idea of feminism is right, okay, okay.

Anyone who consents to something that leads to more pain is being used, whether man or woman, anyone. I'm not implying that women are fragile creatures, I'm implying that everyone should be treated with respect and shouldn't be toys to be used. Yes, you are a woman living in a patriarchal society, but patriarchy affects everyone, and other women who also live in this society have a very different opinion from yours. So why does your view have to be automatically right just because you're a woman?

And those fucked up kinks are just making men more and more evil, even teenagers are now trying to choke girls because they see it on porn, these kinks are making people normalise evilness.

prove to me that YOU read them and argument with me here.

yeah it is fucking cry about it

yes they do

yex

"the patriarchy effects everyone" fuck off. as a man you cannot mansplain the patriarchy to me and act like you're somehow a victim of it. actually fuck off.

no they arent lmao. men would be evil even if kinks didnt exist, because thats how the patriarchy raises them.

no lmao. typical man. you want a woman to do all your work for you. in a debate when someone brings in sources you read them and then argue against them, not the other way round. again, you're pathetic. just accept that you're wrong and stop trying to talk over women and tell women what they can and cant consent to. you're literally trying to restrict women because you're a sexist fuck who thinks the patriarchy makes women somehow unable to choose what they want to do or how they can express their sexuality.

 

[Aknu132]

yeah it is fucking cry about it

no

yes they do

no

yex

no

"the patriarchy effects everyone" fuck off. as a man you cannot mansplain the patriarchy to me and act like you're somehow a victim of it. actually fuck off.

Go see a woman speaking about the patriachy then, i'm not the only who is against this porn culture and mens aren't even the majority of this community that are against fucked up kinks and porn.

no they arent lmao. men would be evil even if kinks didnt exist, because thats how the patriarchy raises them.

Like i said those fucked up kinks and porn normalises even more the evilness, making more man do it, if since childhood we are teached to respect and not cause any pain to any other being and to not see women as object (porn causes this) then it would have even less crimes against women in the world.

no lmao. typical man. you want a woman to do all your work for you. in a debate when someone brings in sources you read them and then argue against them, not the other way round. again, you're pathetic. just accept that you're wrong and stop trying to talk over women and tell women what they can and cant consent to. you're literally trying to restrict women because you're a sexist fuck who thinks the patriarchy makes women somehow unable to choose what they want to do or how they can express their sexuality.

I'm not forcing you anything, and you aren't doing any work, you respond if you want. you're just showing that you do not have knowledge in any of the things you send to me.