Does anyone know actual cases with permanent brain damage after using the "exit bag" method?

[Freakazette]

I've read here that after becoming unconscious, you can still manage to rip off the bag with the inert gas? Is it true?

What else could go wrong? In order to fail with this method?

 

[Greenberg]

Welcome! That is a possibility. The other major point of failure is running out of gas; hence, its crucial to secure the proper equipment. There is a lot of info here in the mega threads and on my blog (under my photo). Please feel free to ask questions. Best!

 

[LADY007]

I've read here that after becoming unconscious, you can still manage to rip off the bag with the inert gas? Is it true?

What else could go wrong? In order to fail with this method?

After the Nitrogen tank is secure and the exit bag is ready......you put your forearms through rope/wire loops around the arms of your Exit chair. Make them long enough to slide into at the last minute...but short enough to hold your forearms down after you are unconscious.

 

[Freakazette]

After the Nitrogen tank is secure and the exit bag is ready......you put your forearms through rope/wire loops around the arms of your Exit chair. Make them long enough to slide into at the last minute...but short enough to hold your forearms down after you are unconscious.

The "exit bag" method was too complicated and technical for me.

Thank you, though!

 

[PrincessInWhite]

Every single method comes with risk of brain or physical damage if you survive it, unfortunately. Some are likelier than others to be successful of course, and each attempt has individual factors influencing the likelihood of failure, but every single method has a risk of this, exit bag included. It's an unfortunate reality I struggle with grappling myself. I want so badly to not have any risk so I can go in peace, but then again when have I ever known real peace in life? Sending hugs

 

[Freakazette]

Every single method comes with risk of brain or physical damage if you survive it, unfortunately. Some are likelier than others to be successful of course, and each attempt has individual factors influencing the likelihood of failure, but every single method has a risk of this, exit bag included. It's an unfortunate reality I struggle with grappling myself. I want so badly to not have any risk so I can go in peace, but then again when have I ever known real peace in life? Sending hugs

Back at ya! the huggies

( and you're right )

 

[LADY007]

The "exit bag" method was too complicated and technical for me.

Thank you, though!

Your very welcome

 

[Foreversad]

After the Nitrogen tank is secure and the exit bag is ready......you put your forearms through rope/wire loops around the arms of your Exit chair. Make them long enough to slide into at the last minute...but short enough to hold your forearms down after you are unconscious.

That seems a good idea .but they dont advise of laying in bed in order one doesn't fall of th chair?

 

[NeedExit]

I've searched the internet for some stories but I couldn't find them, which could indicate that it's rather unlikely, because the anti-euthanasia group would have blown the story up. There are people describing some loss of memory capacity though! I think the reason for that is that normally (using a regulator), there isn't the problem of running out of gas. It's more likely that CO2 builds up in the bag because of some air left in the bag or non-pure gas and the body is very sensitive to that. But nevertheless, yes it can occur.

 

[Apricity]

The purpose of the exit bag is to induce hypoxia. You can die pretty quick from it.

 

[lmon]

I've read here that after becoming unconscious, you can still manage to rip off the bag with the inert gas? Is it true?

What else could go wrong? In order to fail with this method?

Some

Welcome! That is a possibility. The other major point of failure is running out of gas; hence, its crucial to secure the proper equipment. There is a lot of info here in the mega threads and on my blog (under my photo). Please feel free to ask questions. Best!

what can go wrong with equipment, can it randomly stop releasing gas? Or can the regulator fall off/ etc?

 

[LADY007]

Some

what can go wrong with equipment, can it randomly stop releasing gas? Or can the regulator fall off/ etc?

Regulator won't fall off ( welding supply store attached it to the cylinder for me.) Gas won't just stop. Flow is easy to stop and start. I wanted to make sure I was closing the valve all the way so to check this...I sprayed soapy water around hand wheel. There were no bubbles..so I knew nothing was leaking. You just don't want to drop the tank and break the top piece off because the gas will rush out and the cylinder will spin and possibly go airborne.

 

[LADY007]

The purpose of the exit bag is to induce hypoxia. You can die pretty quick from it.
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Thank you for this chart !! (See the attachment) As you can see...if one has secured the tube in the bag and gotten most the oxygen out of the bag while filling it with nitrogen....this system should be fast, painless and effective.

 

[Greenberg]

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what can go wrong with equipment, can it randomly stop releasing gas? Or can the regulator fall off/ etc?

Always remove the regulator from the cylinder when in transit or in storage. Try to get a regulator for nitrogen and not for another gas, like argon or helium, etc. It will save you the hassle of doing compensating calculations. If it is within your budget, go for a click-style regulator so that you can preset the flow rate before proceeding. Finally, get a bag/mask that is able to maintain a positive pressure environment. Best, G

 

[lmon]

Always remove the regulator from the cylinder when in transit or in storage. Try to get a regulator for nitrogen and not for another gas, like argon or helium, etc. It will save you the hassle of doing compensating calculations. If it is within your budget, go for a click-style regulator so that you can preset the flow rate before proceeding. Finally, get a bag/mask that is able to maintain a positive pressure environment. Best, G

1.)Do I need a continuous regulator? Do I need a 400 dollar one from a shop or will one from Amazon do. I'm planning with argon.
Is 40 cf fine?

2.)Is 15 lpm right for argon?

3.)How tight should the bag be? I get no straight answers :[

4.)Also I was planning on doing it in a storage bin, in case there is a leak. Because of this I was also wondering if I could turn on another cylinder inside the bin with me. (I thought about using 2 tubes at 15 lpm into 1 bag but someone said that is equal to 30 lpm lol) At that point would it matter if I had a regulator on the other one, too?

5.) I, buying a O2 reader to make sure the 02 in my bag is low enough before pulling it down. Isn't 8% oxygen when it's fatal or no?

6.) Also have you Ever heard once of someone coming out a vegetable after?

7.) are there reports of argon being painful?

I'm sorry I gave you a book report to do.
~Whenever I see that puppy around here, I know it's going to be a good answer~

 

[Onthe29th]

@Greenberg What can happen when you don't remove the regulator when it transit?

 

[Greenberg]

1.)Do I need a continuous regulator? Do I need a 400 dollar one from a shop or will one from Amazon do. I'm planning with argon.
Is 40 cf fine?

2.)Is 15 lpm right for argon?

3.)How tight should the bag be? I get no straight answers :[

4.)Also I was planning on doing it in a storage bin, in case there is a leak. Because of this I was also wondering if I could turn on another cylinder inside the bin with me. (I thought about using 2 tubes at 15 lpm into 1 bag but someone said that is equal to 30 lpm lol) At that point would it matter if I had a regulator on the other one, too?

5.) I, buying a O2 reader to make sure the 02 in my bag is low enough before pulling it down. Isn't 8% oxygen when it's fatal or no?

6.) Also have you Ever heard once of someone coming out a vegetable after?

7.) are there reports of argon being painful?

I'm sorry I gave you a book report to do.
~Whenever I see that puppy around here, I know it's going to be a good answer~

1. It really does not matter if the flow regulator is continuous or discrete. As long as it is an integrated flow regulator and the flow rate can be accurately set then it is okay. Determine which connection standard applies to your geographic region. I would not recommend the cheapest nor the most expensive one. Just bear in mind that if you want to preset your flow rate, then a discrete click-style is best; on the other hand, if you do not mind setting the flow rate when the gas is flowing then a continuous flow regulator is fine. When using nitrogen, purchase a nitrogen regulator; if using argon, purchase an argon regulator. When the gas and the regulator match, there is no need to perform compensating calculations.

2. Again if using an argon regulator, then a 15 lpm flow rate of argon is correct. No need for compensating factor.

3. When using a bag, it should be loose enough for expiration (CO2) gases to escape while tight enough to maintain a positive pressure environment throughout the process. You would need to determine this through trial and error.

4. I would suggest that you stay away from any unnecessary complications. A storage bin and an additional cylinder are excessive. You only need one 20 cf cylinder for a 30-minute duration.

5. An O2 meter is expensive and unnecessary. No need to determine the amount of O2 in the bag. Yes at 8% O2, hypoxia can become fatal.

6. Absolutely not. And there are no confirmed reports of such occurrences.

7. No, argon like other common inert gases is not painful.

Best, G

@Greenberg What can happen when you don't remove the regulator when it transit?

There is the possibility that the regulator may knock onto something and it (or the valve stem) may dislodge. Obviously, very dangerous. Best, G

 

[lmon]

1. It really does not matter if the flow regulator is continuous or discrete. As long as it is an integrated flow regulator and the flow rate can be accurately set then it is okay. Determine which connection standard applies to your geographic region. I would not recommend the cheapest nor the most expensive one. Just bear in mind that if you want to preset your flow rate, then a discrete click-style is best; on the other hand, if you do not mind setting the flow rate when the gas is flowing then a continuous flow regulator is fine. When using nitrogen, purchase a nitrogen regulator; if using argon, purchase an argon regulator. When the gas and the regulator match, there is no need to perform compensating calculations.

2. Again if using an argon regulator, then a 15 lpm flow rate of argon is correct. No need for compensating factor.

3. When using a bag, it should be loose enough for expiration (CO2) gases to escape while tight enough to maintain a positive pressure environment throughout the process. You would need to determine this through trial and error.

4. I would suggest that you stay away from any unnecessary complications. A storage bin and an additional cylinder are excessive. You only need one 20 cf cylinder for a 30-minute duration.

5. An O2 meter is expensive and unnecessary. No need to determine the amount of O2 in the bag. Yes at 8% O2, hypoxia can become fatal.

6. Absolutely not. And there are no confirmed reports of such occurrences.

7. No, argon like other common inert gases is not painful.

Best, G

There is the possibility that the regulator may knock onto something and it (or the valve stem) may dislodge. Obviously, very dangerous. Best, G

How would I determine the tightness of the bag through trial and error, like with the gas? :o

1. It really does not matter if the flow regulator is continuous or discrete. As long as it is an integrated flow regulator and the flow rate can be accurately set then it is okay. Determine which connection standard applies to your geographic region. I would not recommend the cheapest nor the most expensive one. Just bear in mind that if you want to preset your flow rate, then a discrete click-style is best; on the other hand, if you do not mind setting the flow rate when the gas is flowing then a continuous flow regulator is fine. When using nitrogen, purchase a nitrogen regulator; if using argon, purchase an argon regulator. When the gas and the regulator match, there is no need to perform compensating calculations.

2. Again if using an argon regulator, then a 15 lpm flow rate of argon is correct. No need for compensating factor.

3. When using a bag, it should be loose enough for expiration (CO2) gases to escape while tight enough to maintain a positive pressure environment throughout the process. You would need to determine this through trial and error.

4. I would suggest that you stay away from any unnecessary complications. A storage bin and an additional cylinder are excessive. You only need one 20 cf cylinder for a 30-minute duration.

5. An O2 meter is expensive and unnecessary. No need to determine the amount of O2 in the bag. Yes at 8% O2, hypoxia can become fatal.

6. Absolutely not. And there are no confirmed reports of such occurrences.

7. No, argon like other common inert gases is not painful.

Best, G

There is the possibility that the regulator may knock onto something and it (or the valve stem) may dislodge. Obviously, very dangerous. Best, G

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04...-sons-suicide-attempt-after-bullying/10919526

His is from a boy who was hanging I believe, 30 mins of 02 deprivation and he was still alive!! Do you think the reason he was still alive at 30 mins was bc he didn't starve himself of 02 completely? Like, partial hanging?

The purpose of the exit bag is to induce hypoxia. You can die pretty quick from it.
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I heard that it can take up to 2 mins to pass out. Does this mean that you experience brain damage while awake@?? That sounds horrifying

 

[lmon]

Always remove the regulator from the cylinder when in transit or in storage. Try to get a regulator for nitrogen and not for another gas, like argon or helium, etc. It will save you the hassle of doing compensating calculations. If it is within your budget, go for a click-style regulator so that you can preset the flow rate before proceeding. Finally, get a bag/mask that is able to maintain a positive pressure environment. Best, G

People say

1. It really does not matter if the flow regulator is continuous or discrete. As long as it is an integrated flow regulator and the flow rate can be accurately set then it is okay. Determine which connection standard applies to your geographic region. I would not recommend the cheapest nor the most expensive one. Just bear in mind that if you want to preset your flow rate, then a discrete click-style is best; on the other hand, if you do not mind setting the flow rate when the gas is flowing then a continuous flow regulator is fine. When using nitrogen, purchase a nitrogen regulator; if using argon, purchase an argon regulator. When the gas and the regulator match, there is no need to perform compensating calculations.

2. Again if using an argon regulator, then a 15 lpm flow rate of argon is correct. No need for compensating factor.

3. When using a bag, it should be loose enough for expiration (CO2) gases to escape while tight enough to maintain a positive pressure environment throughout the process. You would need to determine this through trial and error.

4. I would suggest that you stay away from any unnecessary complications. A storage bin and an additional cylinder are excessive. You only need one 20 cf cylinder for a 30-minute duration.

5. An O2 meter is expensive and unnecessary. No need to determine the amount of O2 in the bag. Yes at 8% O2, hypoxia can become fatal.

6. Absolutely not. And there are no confirmed reports of such occurrences.

7. No, argon like other common inert gases is not painful.

Best, G

There is the possibility that the regulator may knock onto something and it (or the valve stem) may dislodge. Obviously, very dangerous. Best, G

Btw I've heard of peoples lungs burning at least with nitrogen, have you heard of burning lungs with inert gas? And does it really take up to 2 mins to lose consciousness sometimes, even when done correctly?

 

[Ta555]

People say

Btw I've heard of peoples lungs burning at least with nitrogen, have you heard of burning lungs with inert gas? And does it really take up to 2 mins to lose consciousness sometimes, even when done correctly?

Nitrogen does not burn your lungs. The air we breathe is about 70 percent nitrogen. Nitrogen does nothing to you directly. It just displaces the oxygen.

 

[Greenberg]

People say

Btw I've heard of peoples lungs burning at least with nitrogen, have you heard of burning lungs with inert gas? And does it really take up to 2 mins to lose consciousness sometimes, even when done correctly?

Imon, the air is 80% nitrogen. It will not burn your lungs.

 

[lmon]

Imon, the air is 80% nitrogen. It will not burn your lungs.

I saw someone on this forum say it burnt their lungs! and I was looking at argon, and it said a sign of high argon exposure was... burning lungs :o I would hope not though

 

[LADY007]

I saw someone on this forum say it burnt their lungs! and I was looking at argon, and it said a sign of high argon exposure was... burning lungs :o I would hope not though

Never, in all my research, did I see nitrogen or Argon burning lungs. I believe, Greenberg, who is great at sharing nitrogen info, also didn't think nitrogen caused that. I would inquire further. From what I have read, actual accounts have stated the person got dizzy, just passed out pretty quickly and came conscious again not knowing what happened. A worker for Valero Co. said that after 2 guys died before him. Look it up.

 

[Interloper]

I saw someone on this forum say it burnt their lungs! and I was looking at argon, and it said a sign of high argon exposure was... burning lungs :o I would hope not though

Maybe just the sensation? Because it won't literally burn your lungs as has been said. Maybe they had high anxiety levels, underlying issues... where did you see the sign of high argon exposure being burning lungs?

 

[NormaJeane]

I've read here that after becoming unconscious, you can still manage to rip off the bag with the inert gas? Is it true?

What else could go wrong? In order to fail with this method?

Yeah, because of survival instinct people will rip off the bag from the head after becoming unconscious. There are many failures with exit bag and gas - the method is difficult and complicated - many things can go wrong.

 

[LADY007]

Imon, the air is 80% nitrogen. It will not burn your lungs.

I'm with you on this one. Even if a person gets a little burning sensation, they seem to pass out so relatively quickly.. Just deal with it.. I am still in favor of this method for myself. Please add to th is.. Greenberg.. If you have additional thoughts on this!

Yeah, because of survival instinct people will rip off the bag from the head after becoming unconscious. There are many failures with exit bag and gas - the method is difficult and complicated - many things can go wrong.

You put your forearms thru looped scarves that you position around the arms of your ctb chair for nitrogen gas.

 

[ElderRecluse]

I find it hard to believe that "AFTER" someone is unconscious they will reach up and remove the bag. I can see SI kicking in before becoming unconscious, especally if procedure is done poorly and you remain conscious for more than a couple of breaths.

I try to read everything I can find on this method and except for on this forum, I find nothing that suggest you need to tie yourself in your chair and secure your hands. That's not to say doing so wouldn't add an extra measure of security against failure.

 

[Greenberg]

I saw someone on this forum say it burnt their lungs! and I was looking at argon, and it said a sign of high argon exposure was... burning lungs :o I would hope not though

Again, argon is an inert gas. Inert means that it does not interact with anything. Best, G

 

[Greenberg]

I'm with you on this one. Even if a person gets a little burning sensation, they seem to pass out so relatively quickly.. Just deal with it.. I am still in favor of this method for myself. Please add to th is.. Greenberg.. If you have additional thoughts on this!

You put your forearms thru looped scarves that you position around the arms of your ctb chair for nitrogen gas.

I have a feeling the burning sensation maybe caused by another gas. Perhaps, the cylinder was not properly flush and a residual gas remains…

 

[new.solution1]

Can someone explain to me how is it possible that after you become unconscious you are able to take the bag off?