Do you think that those who commit suicide are "egoists"?

[tired93]

I feel very guilty thinking about leaving my dear ones,

 

[sadbh—itstimetogo🤎]

Everyone has different reasons. Do you think you're an egoist?

 

[hdead]

It's paradoxical to me. People see me suffering and can't help. When you want out they seem to not want to let you go. Why? It's their grief they're trying to get around. At least that's my take.

I remember when my grandma wanted out. Okay, she was terminally ill but I was happy to see her leave. She went with a smile and I didn't really mourn the loss in the regular sense. Impermanence, I guess.

 

[GodChallengesMe]

Every human being is egotistical when it comes to fulfilling their needs. We're biologically programmed to please ourselves all the time. Look at celebrities, businessmen, politicians, etc. They can have more than enough in the life if they donate 99% of their wealth but instead of doing that, they invest that money to make more and buy multiple houses, multiple cars, etc. They might never use more than 50% of their estate but nevertheless, they still own them and buy even more throughout their lives.

Regarding suicide being an overly egotistical move, it depends on individual circumstances and why the person in question doing it. Nevertheless, it's a personal choice driven by legit, unbearable suffering. Therefore, it's nobody's business except ours. We have the option to end it all, to escape pain, misery, and to remove immense psychological weight from our shoulders.

Whatever happens after we're gone is none of our business because we won't be here to witness the aftermath. I hope we will find peace in whatever happens after this.

 

[Lamentice]

It's paradoxical to me. People see me suffering and can't help. When you want out they seem to not want to let you go. Why? It's their grief they're trying to get around. At least that's my take.

I remember when my grandma wanted out. Okay, she was terminally ill but I was happy to see her leave. She went with a smile and I didn't really mourn the loss in the regular sense. Impermanence, I guess.

This is the one, this is it precisely!

 

[miso_soup]

it's complicated. my friend decided to leave this Earth in November 2025. I don't see her as an egoist but her death hurt more than anything I've ever experienced before. I blamed myself, I blamed people around her and it still hurts. I wish she had reached out for help cause I'd do anything to still have her alive even if not as my friend. So if you have any way of doing so, please do.

 

[Lamentice]

I wish she had reached out for help cause I'd do anything to still have her alive even if not as my friend. So if you have any way of doing so, please do.

A lot of people say this, and truthfully suicidal individuals have often been reaching for help and support from others for years before they ctb.

 

[TAW122]

I don't think so and the thing about it being 'selfish' is based on a prejudiced and unsubstantiated claim of the inherent goodness of life that has never been proven (if it could even be proven to begin with). In the end, most people who do CTB are doing so because they want to end their suffering and have decided unilaterally (for the most part) that the cost of continuing this existence (sentience, life itself) is NOT worth it (to themselves).

 

[50/50]

Why do we put animals out of their misery wothout a second thought when theyre suffering, but when it comes to humans they cant even decide themselves, at which point enough is enough without being judged

But also i heard another quite interesting take abt it:

Suicide is the transition of mental suffering from the individual to their loved ones

Even tho it makes no rational sense for the loved ones to be sad if suffering has come to an end, but they will be sad anyway

 

[Off_Switch]

Absolutely not. The exact opposite actually. Egoists thrive in this world where taking advantage of people for your own gain is the only way to survive.

 

[fadedday]

Not at all. I think it's people just trying to end pain and suffering, by whatever means possible.

 

[caotic_realm]

If the thought crosses your mind that it is a selfish act, you had better not do it. You might fail, and besides, convictions need to be strong; backing down isn't a sign of weakness. The rest is just rhetoric from the religious, pro-life cultural narrative—the kind that makes a potential suicide victim believe their act harms others, that only selfish people do such things, that hell awaits them, and all that useless nonsense.

If you are thinking about your family, then live for them.

 

[lpdsvm]

For me, I think it's quite the opposite. After I'm gone, I won't have to bother anyone for resources. We all need money and not everyone - actually I don't want to even say much here.

There will be no begging and no rat races. They can go ahead and keep all of their resources and statuses - I genuinely don't care. I don't need them. Actually in theory they need me more because I want to CTB every day.
No one came to me and asked if I wanted to be born and play that boring and dumb game. CTBing is far faster (but might be more painful for some but the duration is just 30 sec - 15 min).

No one's life will be better after I'm gone, but I won't bother anyone. I don't need anything from anyone. If the timing is right (when I am more proactive to CTB) I can even confirm and quit my job if asked. They can have it all - I care less. I can stand up, leave, and CTB - and they won't even find out about it from me.

 

[dust-in-the-wind]

Suicide has nothing to do with ego. The common denominator is "hopelessness".

 

[DignifiedGrave]

I personally dont see that it matters. We are individuals living in collective society, naturally there is tension in that truth, so ones death negatively impact the people around them, on other hand, individual wanting to die is free to commit the act insofar as they are capable to do so and we just have to look deep within and find out how much we really care. As people we need to please ourselves, we also feel a need to please others because we evolved to be social and organized. We could probably go on here about how suicide impacts people and if you can really pull off suicide without hurting somebody else and how this all factors into our right to die, but it really all comes down to you and what you think. Its your suicide and your emotions, so you ultimately only you can answer whether or not you think what you're doing is selfish, egotistical.

 

[100memoryleaks]

i don't know if everyone who commits is egotistical, but i probably am. i was pretty selfish in my life too.

 

[Forever Sleep]

It's an interesting question. In my case- yes- I suppose my reasons are egotistic. I don't feel able to live the life I want. I don't get enough pleasure out of how I feel forced to live. Basically- it's pretty much all work.

To challenge that though- how would we become less egotistic? Maybe if I did a job that directly helped others more. I have done those sorts of jobs. I was still unhappy then though.

Does this world sufficiently reward people that live altruistically? Not at all! Nurses aren't as well paid as many other egocentric careers.

So- is it the individual's fault? If they either don't live an altruistic life or, they don't feel rewarded enough- either emotionally or practically- if they do live an altruistic life? Or, if they want to leave their life?

I realise we're talking about death here but then, we can be less or more egotistic in how we live too. As others have pointed out- it can be egocentric to want to live also.

Imagine a CEO who makes their money by ruthlessly exploiting others. Maybe they benefit themselves and their small family circle but, they cause widespread damage to all their employees, their customers, the environment even. The greater egotistic thing there would be for them to keep living and sucking everyone/ everything dry- surely?

Personally, I think I'll be doing the environment a favour when I die. One less person creating mountains of rubbish and pollution.

Isn't it also egocentric to believe my life is that important to begin with? I suppose we can predict that certain people may be deeply hurt but- what if we wait till they go first? Then, does it matter so much- surely?

 

[westernromanpatriot]

I think it kinda depends.
Some people commit on impulse without thinking about it that much. Something snaps in them and they're gone. They obviously won't be hanging around sasu and it's hard to say what their motivation was...
Many others have suffered so much in life that they decide the suffering isn't worth it anymore. This is definitely not selfish, I think.
Some people do it because their circumstances feel hopeless. I don't think that's selfish either.
Others do it as a form of revenge or control, like in relationships. That's arguably more selfish.

Does it really matter at the end of the day though? Like, if someone values you so much when you're dead, why haven't they valued you when you were alive?

 

[hughmun9]

No. Just like leaving the country and never speaking to anyone again isn't egoistical. It's your right to be where you want to be and to talk to who you want to talk to, engage with who you want to engage with. No one is entitled to your presence and energy.

Except for your kids while they're young and vulnerable. They are entitled to it since you brought them in in the first place and they can't fend for themselves. At least for a while.

 

[No-name]

I was suicidal 13 years ago. I went on then because of mother, brother who had schizofrenia and father. I believe If I hadnt beent there my family would have been heart broken. Brother and father got euthansia and mother died of cancer.

But still the cycle doesnt end. My oldest brother has a family with two smart children, but there are not neurotypical. They look up to me. And my oldest brother is struggeling with depression himself.

I see them maybe few times a year. If I where to go, would I be bad? Would they survive. I never took children out of these kind of dilemma's. It' s almost as if you cant even die in peace.
Should I go on for a few nephews I barely see? Should I feel guilty and suffer more. I am beginning to get alienatied from friends, another CTB sign. They meet up without me more and more often. I knew this would happen. The humiliation just keeps adding up.

I leave it in gods hands, back then I only wanted to be understood, now I just someone to hava a relationship with and who kind of understands me that I am far from perfect. I guess it is not on me. I leave it in the hands of god. I miss my family and want to go home. I dont hate anyone but the world is not making any sense. I could live on with helping others, but who helps me. Or to watch some new technology come up like better VR or AGI, i dont believe that replaces human connection.

The first thing I am doing is getting prepared and get a new job, wait for the girl when ready I' ll ask if she is still into me. And if faith doesnt want me to experience a life worth living and this continues, I am gone and will say sorry to my nephews and brother.

 

[miso_soup]

A lot of people say this, and truthfully suicidal individuals have often been reaching for help and support from others for years before they ctb.

believe me - i am aware. ive been suicidal for years, since i was a kid and havent gotten much help until my unsuccessful attempt which happened in my late teens. i really get that, rn i am again alone without any actual support from friends who just assume that i am fine or genuinely dont care.