Dismantling the allegation that we're pro-suicide.

[Hollowillow]

You all helped me too. The psych ward threated me like such a inhuman problem that I did a suicide marathon 5 times in 2 weeks when I got out.

 

[voc_89]

most members i have interacted with have always been pro-choice. U do u. Not encouraging nor discouraging anything. We hear u. U do whats best. We respect your decision. What more can you want when u a person in a world with an ideology that everyone hates. So u toe the line. Its only here u can be yourself. This forum is so far from being pro-suicide. They only say this to try to cancel u guys. But, like others, i wouldn't be able to say Happy 2026 if I didn't join this forum. I can't remember the exact year (either 2022 or 2023) but I was 100% going to be another statistic. But the members on this forum saved me.

 

[tzon]

IDK if this has been pointed out already because I only read the first post, but the first article linked on here is broken.

The CTV News site seems to have modified the URL format of their articles. The original post in this thread still links to the old one, which tries to redirect you to the new, correct article link, but fails to do so in this case, as the very last dash in the link it directs you to ("u-k/") should not be there.

Tagging @RainAndSadness to try to bring it to their attention and also thank them for the post.

 

[whocaresnobodycares]

I've never talked about suicide to anybody, let alone ADVOCATED it, let alone ADVOCATED it FOR SOMEONE ELSE.

If someone enjoys life, I can't relate to them, I do not AT ALL FUNCTION cognitively like them, but awesome for them.

If somebody's so blind to reality to think that "life is always worth living for EVVVVERYONE," then that's THEIR ignorance-problem and I'd never waste my breath arguing with them, anymore than I would a religious or political zealot who doesn't UNDERSTAND ANYTHING in actual reality.

 

[k_eire818]

More promo in the name of "warning" people

 

[purpp37]

I'm pro suicide. I don't wish for things to get better and if people want to die I'm all for it because I want to as well

 

[TheTwelthRootOfTwo]

I've been perusing this site for years, before signing up; and I've never once seen anyone "encourage" or "entice" someone into suicide. There is a difference between encouraging something, and simply NOT discouraging it.

From my personal experience, only posting on here for 8 days, I have felt better, being able to express myself; and just have people say, "I get that". It's such a relief.

There is nothing more horrifying than being in a state where you've literally tried so much and then decide to try and take your own life, and then have someone say, "It gets better", or, "You just need to try XYZ". As if I haven't tried those things? As if I just decided one day to kill myself for kicks and giggles?

After all my years, having dealt with the psych system, I've come to realize that the entire industry is skewed to some degree or another. It's all based on observation, not experience. Not to mention the pure subjectivity behind most of it.

I guarantee, if EVERY psych professional on earth was to experience the level of pain/agony that it takes to bring someone low enough to want to bump themselves off; there would be a major overhaul to the entire mental health industrial complex over night!

As a side note: I don't believe they will ever solve the problem because the mind is a Spiritual thing and they are trying to solve it via physical means. That's just my humble opinion, though.

 

[sashaisalone]

This is pretty lengthy, so I started skimming and trying to pick up key ideas/concepts towards the end. I'll be responding to what I perceive the overall philosophy here to be, and how such a forum could justify its existence.

My therapist herself has expressed a somewhat libertarian outlook on suicide and personal autonomy. She ofc, is still obligated to report/break confidentiality if I express myself to be an imminent danger to myself. On the framing of "pro-life" vs "pro-choice" vs "pro-suicide" as vernacular on this website, I suppose I'm about as pro suicide as I am pro abortion since these are such apt analogies. I'm pro choice, but there's probably many instances where the death of a human being is immoral, but how much should the state have the power to intervene?

My most confident stance on abortion is that during the first couple trimesters, and thus prior to the advancing fetal stage, there should be no state restrictions whatsoever. However I do strongly question the moral legitimacy of someone electively aborting a viable fetus when there isn't a health concern to the prospective mother nor baby. What the state's involvement in such a decision is something I'm agnostic to. I'm both very fearful of laws governing late term abortions causing more harm than good, and I know that late stage/third trimester abortions are almost never done just for the hell of it without moral consideration. The mother has already bought a crib and either already decided, or is thinking about the name of the child they want. They'll mourn the loss of their child whom they're only removing because something has gone wrong, and she fears for her own life or thinks the life of her child is doomed.

Similarly, I think about the name of this forum "sanctioned-suicide". Ideally, I believe that's how suicide should be permitted in a liberal society, with state regulation and guard rails to make sure that this person is acting of sound mind, or is capable of informed consent to euthanasia if medical professionals actively assist. I think again about the "pro-life" vs "pro-choice" framing on the issue of suicide. As someone who is transsexual, I also think similarly about undergoing gender transition medically, and how serious of a decision that is, but I also want state regulation on doing so as minimal as possible, and this leads into my next point about when liberalism does not live up to its promise of maximizing our freedom and acting as a legitimate authority we consent to being governed by for our own self interest. Access to abortion is something too severely limited and/or under threat depending on the state you live in (I'm American), and there is also increasing government overreach on access to gender transition or a thread of government overreach on access to transition. Do most liberal countries overreach in terms of preventing voluntary informed suicides by consenting adults of sober mind? I believe so.

I guess that's where this forum comes in. If the state is overreaching in restricting human autonomy, I don't think it's immoral to seek out parallel structures and to act in gray or even extralegal manners to assert your autonomy. Previously, when Biden was president, and prior to the huge counter-wave against trans acceptance, I found myself being critical of DIY trans resources, especially minors having access to them in the US. Ideally if you're a minor and think you might be experiencing gender dysphoria, and are considering medical gender transition, there should be reliable institutions who can screen you for gender dysphoria and help you and your parent or responsible guardian make an informed decision on what is the best decision to move forward with. However, if the state forbids such a process, perhaps seeking out they DIY resources and self medicating with grey market hormones may be necessary. I feel the same about abortion. And that leads finally into the real focus of this forum: suicide.

Pro lifers when it comes to abortion seem to believe that abortion is NEVER a moral or permissible option. The overwhelming moral consensus of people seems to feel this way about suicide, and that seems to be enshrined into law in the US. If there's no medical instituions with appropriate state regulation that can allow sanctioned suicide or voluntary euthanasia, then perhaps it makes sense for people to seek out DIY resources if it seems like suicide is their best option and the state considers their choice illegitimate. I remember hearing a while back about a teenage girl who was mentally broken by a rape in Finland who was given euthanasia because she was unable to be healed of her trauma by peer or familial support and mental health resources. If someone who is age of majority and of sound mind finds themselves wanting the same thing under similiar pretexts, but the state would no sanction their death, but would instead imprison them against their will for wanting that, what should they do?

I think forums like these are the only place where it can be even DISCUSSED what the answer to such questions would be without social or legal reprisal.