Discussion Anyone feel like being a member on this forum might make CTB more difficult?

[OzymandiAsh]

I reckon before I found this forum I might have had a good chance of stabbing myself in the neck and elsewhere to death, for example... Now I wonder if I'd pass out before severing the arteries, and also it isn't a method that could easily be announced here, like "Good bye guys, was nice to be here, gonna go and fucking stab myself all over now". But I've had a physically intense life and have a fairly high pain tolerance, and a lot of determination, so maybe I'd make it in that 1-3% or whatever.

Even now I feel it's actually a struggle to hold myself back from doing this.

 

[deathisapanacea]

No. Its my cowardice and inaction that's holding me back and not my presence on this forum.

 

[hell toupee]

Once I unlock the search function , I'll do that. I don't know how easy it is to source N2O, but exit bags with the continuous flow apparatus is quite complex.

Ya, not sure what country you are in - I'm in the US and simply ordered it on Amazon.

I'm not a big fan of Exit bags for a few reasons. First, helium, in the US at least, is cut with oxygen to prevent people from using exit bags. Nitrogen is expensive, and I've read conflicting reports on the experiences of people who've tried and failed with Nitrogen. Some say it's peaceful, others complain of it being difficult to inhale and shortness of breath, causing them to abort. I don't know hardly anything about argon. Then there is the matter of getting the bag itself correct, as the environment inside must be able to properly exhaust co2.

With nitrous oxide you don't have any of these problems. N2O is actually quite pleasurable to ingest, it's also an anxiolytic which is helpful. More importantly, N2O displaces both oxygen and co2 in the lungs, so there is no sense of shortness of breath or hypercapnic alarm (too much co2). This is why people die using it recreationally - there is no sense of alarm or trouble breathing, despite the fact that no oxygen is being inhaled. They have no sense that something is wrong, lose consciousness, and asphyxiate.

Another user here coined this phrase but I agree with him - if Nembutal is the gold standard for a peaceful ctb, nitrous oxide should be the platinum standard. I won't be around to see it, but I would not be surprised if it takes over the popularity of exit bags and is either banned in the future, or cut with something. It's almost like a cheat code to ctb.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

Fair enough.

Point taken, although I stand by the statement that if you are absolutely determined to ctb, doubts or concerns about failure, being caught, experiencing pain, going to hell, etc. - whatever it may be, will not matter. The desire to ctb must be enough to override those fears/doubts.

I myself worry about failure, absolutely. However, my intent to ctb outweighs that. If someone refrains from committing to ctb because of those aforementioned doubts are not determined enough to do it, hence my declaration that if you 100%, or feel very strongly about ctb, you will put in the effort to make sure you don't fail. If someone just says "I really want to ctb, but I'm scared I'll fail" and then backs off or does not put any effort in to addressing the doubts, it is my opinion that they are not overly committed to ctb and probably should not do it until ctb is the only thing that matters, everything else be damned.

I will take the cue of your last sentence though, and refrain from making this comment again, as I do not want to offend anyone. I'll be gone in a few days anyways, regardless of the terrifying idea that failure is a possibility.

I agree with you, that if someone is not putting effort into planning (especially on a site like this one with resources etc) it probably is a sign that their desire to die isn't very strong and they perhaps should be considering putting effort into facing their problems in this life. But I don't think the fear aspect of SI is necessarily a negotiable factor for many people. I think it's more complicated than that in many people's mind.

But it's also possible that your perspective is heavily influenced by the work you've done to make your own peace with your immanent departure. Unfortunately, I just don't think everybody has the tools to do that same mental work on themselves. So they have to manage that SI often times with drugs or alcohol etc. Anyway, I hope this didn't come across as argumentative... just giving my 2 cents on it I guess. I wish you the best in your plans, hopefully everything works out and you achieve peace. :)

 

[Bitter Almonds]

Ya, not sure what country you are in - I'm in the US and simply ordered it on Amazon.

I'm not a big fan of Exit bags for a few reasons. First, helium, in the US at least, is cut with oxygen to prevent people from using exit bags. Nitrogen is expensive, and I've read conflicting reports on the experiences of people who've tried and failed with Nitrogen. Some say it's peaceful, others complain of it being difficult to inhale and shortness of breath, causing them to abort. I don't know hardly anything about argon. Then there is the matter of getting the bag itself correct, as the environment inside must be able to properly exhaust co2.

With nitrous oxide you don't have any of these problems. N2O is actually quite pleasurable to ingest, it's also an anxiolytic which is helpful. More importantly, N2O displaces both oxygen and co2 in the lungs, so there is no sense of shortness of breath or hypercapnic alarm (too much co2). This is why people die using it recreationally - there is no sense of alarm or trouble breathing, despite the fact that no oxygen is being inhaled. They have no sense that something is wrong, lose consciousness, and asphyxiate.

Another user here coined this phrase but I agree with him - if Nembutal is the gold standard for a peaceful ctb, nitrous oxide should be the platinum standard. I won't be around to see it, but I would not be surprised if it takes over the popularity of exit bags and is either banned in the future, or cut with something. It's almost like a cheat code to ctb.

This is fascinating. I was looking on Amazon as well and it's affordable. and flavored. Thank you for all the additional info - I was genuinely curious about the method of action for this.

I will have to figure out how to use one of these chargers because I think you may be right as far as... everything you said. I'm genuinely surprised it hasn't been affected already.

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

For many it is one of the final places that they can fully express them self without either getting locked in a psych ward or a knock on the door from the police.

Exactly. It's more for a little company before the end than for learning how to CTB. It might reduce my real urge to die because I can express it in words. Not that I'm looking to turn around and recover.

 

[hell toupee]

This is fascinating. I was looking on Amazon as well and it's affordable. and flavored. Thank you for all the additional info - I was genuinely curious about the method of action for this.

I will have to figure out how to use one of these chargers because I think you may be right as far as... everything you said. I'm genuinely surprised it hasn't been affected already.

Ya, I can't understand why more people don't look in to it. I kind of think that people equate it with exit bags and assume it's too technical to set up. I'm guessing the rest don't even know what it is, assume it's difficult to source, etc.

There's also the problem of it not being legal in some countries, although if it were me, I'd just go buy several cans of whipped cream, which I assume are legal everywhere.

I agree with you, that if someone is not putting effort into planning (especially on a site like this one with resources etc) it probably is a sign that their desire to die isn't very strong and they perhaps should be considering putting effort into facing their problems in this life. But I don't think the fear aspect of SI is necessarily a negotiable factor for many people. I think it's more complicated than that in many people's mind.

But it's also possible that your perspective is heavily influenced by the work you've done to make your own peace with your immanent departure. Unfortunately, I just don't think everybody has the tools to do that same mental work on themselves. So they have to manage that SI often times with drugs or alcohol etc. Anyway, I hope this didn't come across as argumentative... just giving my 2 cents on it I guess. I wish you the best in your plans, hopefully everything works out and you achieve peace. :)

Agreed - and you bring up a very good point in your last paragraph - I had not thought of it that way, and usually do try to consider other people's perspective. We all have our own strengths and weaknesses, and that was a bad assumption on my part (in regards to some people not having the tools to research, etc.).