Discussion Antinatalists on Reddit are more pro life than they think

[Liebestod]

The irony right in that statement right? I happened to look up the name of this forum on Reddit and found some post on the antinatalist subreddit about how they think this forum isn't pro choice and "ran by a bunch of incels". I took it with a grain of salt because it's Reddit after all but what really got to me is when they said that this forum is similar to that of a suicide cult. I saw a reply saying that they don't disagree with suicides but that "unnecessary suicides" shouldn't happen.

It really struck me as odd because there technically is no such thing as an "unnecessary suicide" it's the persons own choice using their own subjective justifications. You don't even need a reason to commit suicide in the first place. I kept looking further and saw a reply saying that psychedelic drugs are a preferable solution to suicide and that they should be legalized. But they fail to realize that drugs are just a cope and suicide is a cope that ends all copes.

I shouldn't be surprised about any of this given that Reddit ip banned me for creating multiple accounts and took down my post on the suicide watch subreddit when I have my 100 personal reasons why I want to commit suicide after it went somewhat viral and people actually liked them. But to wrap up this post antinatalists on Reddit are essentially using pro life arguments/tactics to display anti suicide and anti choice ideals.

P.S. I'm an antinatalist.
P.P.S. I wrote the list of 100 reasons because I didn't like r/SuicideWatch.

 

[rainatthebusstop]

It really struck me as odd because there technically is no such thing as an "unnecessary suicide" it's the persons own choice using their own subjective justifications. You don't even need a reason to commit suicide in the first place. I kept looking further and saw a reply saying that psychedelic drugs are a preferable solution to suicide and that they should be legalized. But they fail to realize that drugs are just a cope and suicide is a cope that ends all copes.

"Ahhh yes, your life is already bad, and you are struggling with suicidal ideation? Get addicted to black tar heroin! That'll help!"

I swear, philosophies that are anti life will just attract the biggest edgy idiots with "I am the smartest, most enlightened guy ever" mindsets and not enough brain cells to follow through on their self proclaimed philosophies.

 

[getoutgirl]

kept looking further and saw a reply saying that psychedelic drugs are a preferable solution to suicide and that they should be legalized. But they fail to realize that drugs are just a cope and suicide is a cope that ends all copes.

Spoiler: reddit drugs :P

lol
But yeah I don't like the simplistic way the media has painted this site either, a lot of great good it has done that's unspoken.
I do kind of agree with that sentiment that it'd be better if "unnecessary suicides" didn't happen.
As in I do respect people's want and choice for death. But I think of a depressed kid in an abusive household shouldn't kill themselves, that's not the good ending or what they should be pointed towards at all. Sure it's their choice and free will. But so is eating a shoe box. They could do that too, I don't think it should be recommended or looked at as equal good. Mental health is also a thing that affects people decisions and rationality. Not to perpetuate the "suicidal people are just crazy" myth, nuh huh, but it's an undeniable thing that exist and that society has to still adress better and provide better help with it. I don't think we should do away with that by recognizing the base fact that suicide is indeed a choice, and I don't think that fact should be forgotten either in that pursuit. Some people I believe would benefit a lot more from help than death, and so in that way I think it's better if they didn't do the latter.
So yeah I kinda agree there is nuance to suicide, not that we should gatekeep or decide whose is necessary, that's mumbo I agree. Still a choice in the end, I wouldn't treat suicide as a neutral absolute is all. Then again I'm not antinatalist nor I've read that literature so I'm mostly rambling
hugs<3

 

[SilentSadness]

It's kind of a Mandela Effect now to believe that this forum is a "suicide cult", even though there is no evidence for that belief, everyone not on this forum seems to believe it. Maybe because of misinformation spread by major news sites. Unfortunately most people don't do any research before giving their worthless opinion which is why you see so much misinformation online. I agree that it is strange to be anti-natalist and anti-suicide, maybe they are just anti-everything.

 

[Liebestod]

can you post your 100 reasons or copy paste your old post for 100 reasons on this website?

Sure

 

[NoMoreSanity]

I hate reddit and I hate most antinatalists with a buring passion( I am antinatalist btw as I believe life is objectively shit. Im also anti life. However I hate most antilifers and try not to have a label)

 

[Liebestod]

I hate reddit and I hate most antinatalists with a buring passion( I am antinatalist btw as I believe life is objectively shit. Im also anti life. However I hate most antilifers and try not to have a label)

Couldn't have said it better. I'm also anti life.

 

[itsover14]

Hmmm, random thought after thinking about this for ten seconds: most people are instinctively pro-life and terrified of death (otherwise suicide would be far far far more common). And, strawmanning / insulting / doing whatever needed to dismiss the views of those we agree with is pretty common, I suppose? (eg reducing this site to being nothing more than filled with 'incels' allows them to believe we have nothing of value to say)

Most people don't like to think too deeply about things, especially if they feel uncomfortable about it. We tend to reserve our critical thinking for very few subjects, eg antinatalism for those folks I guess. Shame they're being so narrow-minded, but well actually not surprising. I'd say I'm anti-natalist and atheist as well, and for the latter group I've been rather shocked at how closed-minded those people can be.

So, I just decided long long ago to always expect the worst in people, I know it's a cliche but then you really can't be disappointed! Orrrr work yourself up arguing with others (either online or just in your head)

Dunno if any of this makes sense, v tired at the moment and just out of it.

 

[CumbriaCTB]

There are definitely some incels on this site: some of them openly describe themselves as such while the majority of incels here don't say it out loud but still use incel terminology - once you've found your way onto the "blackpill" side of YouTube, you'll know how to spot incels immediately. From what I know of the blackpill ideology, CTB is a perfectly rational solution to being born with "sub-five" genetics so I can see why there's quite a few here and, as someone who was an ugly duckling growing up, I don't blame them if they're stuck like that for life. They are however far from the majority.

Still, I (and it seems many others) believe they have a place here if they're pro-choice and they don't clog up the site with misogynistic drivel which is where I believe the "incel site" misconception comes from: any community in which "incel" isn't automatically a dirty word is considered an "incel community" just for tolerating that demographic even if the community doesn't tolerate the misogynistic elements of incel ideology.

Sincerely,
CumbriaCTB

 

[Liebestod]

There are definitely some incels on this site: some of them openly describe themselves as such while the majority of incels here don't say it out loud but still use incel terminology - once you've found your way onto the "blackpill" side of YouTube, you'll know how to spot incels immediately. From what I know of the blackpill ideology, CTB is a perfectly rational solution to being born with "sub-five" genetics so I can see why there's quite a few here and, as someone who was an ugly duckling growing up, I don't blame them if they're stuck like that for life. They are however far from the majority.

Still, I (and it seems many others) believe they have a place here if they're pro-choice and they don't clog up the site with misogynistic drivel which is where I believe the "incel site" misconception comes from: any community in which "incel" isn't automatically a dirty word is considered an "incel community" just for tolerating that demographic even if the community doesn't tolerate the misogynistic elements of incel ideology.

Sincerely,
CumbriaCTB

Oh I know, I'm familiar with the whole thing but on reddit when they say incel it's meant to be an insult because redditors and most people in general see the label "incel" with a negative connotation (they mostly hear incel and think misogynist).

 

[PrismHon]

Weren't the founders of this site the same people as incels.is I am pretty sure that's where that talking point comes from

 

[nemesis_]

most r/antinatalism members are conditional antinatalists but they'd never admit it.

 

[Liebestod]

Weren't the founders of this site the same people as incels.is I am pretty sure that's where that talking point comes from

That would make sense I guess, I used to be on .is and I see the similiarities they both have with the layouts and functions.