Why can't I find any 'reviews' for Pegasos?

[Wrennie]

Wouldn't one think that the deceased's remaining family would provide reviews of their services and detail how peaceful or not of a transition it was for their loved one? I legitimately cannot find any accounts of what an experience there would be like aside from the few published articles already on their website.

 

[hermes]

Maybe because people aren't comfortable talking about death especially about loved ones'.

Also, Pegasos is very young org. I doubt they have helped more than a few dozen people CTB.

 

[Alwaysbadtime]

To be honest why bother going there if one can get n themselves? Why pay 12k for the same med?

It's nearly impossible to get approval there.

 

[juraviel]

To be honest why bother going there if one can get n themselves? Why pay 12k for the same med?

It's nearly impossible to get approval there.

One big reason is that this way your family can be there with you. For some people that is really important. And it eliminates any and all doubts you might have about being successful in the attempt.

 

[Peel_the_Banana]

Maybe its because all their satisfied customers are gone??

 

[Wrennie]

One big reason is that this way your family can be there with you. For some people that is really important. And it eliminates any and all doubts you might have about being successful in the attempt.

Yes, I don't want to risk being in a prolonged coma from oral N. I recall a friend of one of the deceased members on here posting a thread stating that they were in a coma for 10 days after ingesting the recommended dose of N ordered from D before ultimately passing away (they were in communication with the member's family). I'll probably have to go that route anyway, but still.

Being intravenously injected has the benefits of the onset being much faster, no risk of nausea, your condition being actively monitored by an anesthesiologist, and your death being 100% guaranteed.

 

[xLosthopex]

Because all the customers are dead

 

[Wrennie]

Because all the customers are dead

Their families who are required to accompany them there and who are present for their deaths aren't.

 

[weallneedtovent]

Pegasos claims to help everyone, but, I emailed them to ask if they could help me:

"I'm a 27 year old male without a terminal illness, but just want to end my life"

I got this response:


"As a healthy young person, we are sorry but we are unable to help you at Pegasos.
We strongly encourage you to seek assistance in your home country.

A useful website with international help lines and websites is:….."

Not quite helping everyone

 

[hermes]

Pegasos claims to help everyone, but, I emailed them to ask if they could help me:

"I'm a 27 year old male without a terminal illness, but just want to end my life"

I got this response:


"As a healthy young person, we are sorry but we are unable to help you at Pegasos.
We strongly encourage you to seek assistance in your home country.

A useful website with international help lines and websites is:….."

Not quite helping everyone

I got similar response too. I followed up asking them why wont they help me and they said "No Swiss doctor would approve N for young healthy person"

What I understand is they ONLY help people with 1) critical physical illness 2) very old people whose quality of life is bad.

 

[Wrennie]

Pegasos claims to help everyone, but, I emailed them to ask if they could help me:

"I'm a 27 year old male without a terminal illness, but just want to end my life"

I got this response:


"As a healthy young person, we are sorry but we are unable to help you at Pegasos.
We strongly encourage you to seek assistance in your home country.

A useful website with international help lines and websites is:….."

Not quite helping everyone

I have multiple incurable neurological conditions (some of which are progressive) & necessary medical documentation from my physicians. For me personally, my sole reasoning for seeking out assisted suicide is routed in the physical. The bodily pain I must contend with on a daily basis is torturous and unbearable. I have no quality of life remaining, nor do I possess any future prospects.

I am truly sorry though that we as a society haven't evolved enough to reach a point where mental illness on its own is regarded as a legitimate qualifier for a dignified voluntary death. I believe in complete bodily autonomy for the individual, and that includes the right to choose when it comes to 'needlessly controversial' matters over life & death.

 

[InNihilum]

And this, folks, is why it's not so easy to have assistance about CTB, even in Switzerland.
You should already be half dead to have any chance to apply in that type of organization.

 

[weallneedtovent]

And this, folks, is why it's not so easy to have assistance about CTB, even in Switzerland.
You should already be half dead to have any chance to apply in that type of organization.

To be fair, that's not what they say. They say they help everyone.

 

[InNihilum]

To be fair, that's not what they say. They say they help everyone.

Of course, it sounds better doesn't it?
But behind the scenes, they are at least compelled by the law, medical processes or even by pro-lifers (claiming 'good sense') to accept only the ones filling very specific conditions.

Screw them then, I guess.

 

[nautilus]

Well , I emailed them asking if they might accept someone with a severe case of Lyme disease like myself and they said yes. I also have severe, complicated mental health issues to boot. I used to think it would be too anxiety provoking to place my case in the hands of dignitas or pegasos and await their decision, but I am beginning to think, if they accept me, it's the best way to conduct this.
Failing that, ill have to go DIY. But, considering friends and family... Pegasos would be fairer.... less shocking though im sure no less devastating.
I'm 47 too.

 

[Peel_the_Banana]

Their families who are required to accompany them there and who are present for their deaths aren't.

My guess here is that most "normal" people would not go out of their way to say something great about a place that took their loved ones' life. In most people's minds a positive review is an endorsement. It would take someone of a pro-choice mindset or immense empathy to write such a thing for the benefit of others. Of course based on SS particpants' combined experiences with the world it seems obvious that there are not many like this or there would be no need for people such as Nitschke.

Even when the subject is a terminally ill cancer patient for example, people still have conflicting views about peaceful death. Probably due to the "life is such a gift" reasoning. In that case, I'd imagine writing such a review would be the furthest from their mind. If the company were to attempt to solicit a review, it could be perceived as insensitive.

Even the Dignitas reviews are still seen as promotional videos or deemed at best questionable. Many see Dignitas as actively having a conflict of interest especially when considering the hefty fee charged for the service.

 

[Wrennie]

Well , I emailed them asking if they might accept someone with a severe case of Lyme disease like myself and they said yes. I also have severe, complicated mental health issues to boot. I used to think it would be too anxiety provoking to place my case in the hands of dignitas or pegasos and await their decision, but I am beginning to think, if they accept me, it's the best way to conduct this.
Failing that, ill have to go DIY. But, considering friends and family... Pegasos would be fairer.... less shocking though im sure no less devastating.
I'm 47 too.

Severe chronic untreated Lyme Disease is what lead me to develop my now-incurable neurological conditions. I greatly sympathize with your struggles.

 

[deadverysoon]

i think its not that easy for such an organisation to help people to die without getting in personal trouble.

think they have to sort out carefully who is "the right person" to help.

because there ARE people who can get better and who had overcome their depression or suicidal thoughts or traumas etc.

so if i would work for such an organisation i would get crazy - because i would not know wich criteria to use to make "the right" decision.

and to ask that question: would you help someone if you would get in big trouble?

i would want to secure that the person who wants to die has tried to find every possible way to get better and also make sure he/she had accsess to the correct help.

i think its not that easy because its really difficult for them to figure out what is the correct decision.

but tbh: it sucks that its that difficult because it makes the situation in many cases even worse.

 

[Wrennie]

This is a reply I received from Pegasos regarding booking hotels/flights & costs:

"Due to covid-19, we are only able to recommend hotels and travel options near the time of your VAD.

As you might imagine, the situation has changed regularly over the past year. At some points, train travel has not been allowed and a quarantine taxi has been the only option from the airport. Basel is the nearest airport, but at some points in the past year, it has only been possible to fly into Zurich."

It's one thing to already know the precise cost of the VAD itself, but how on earth am I to be expected to proceed with it if I don't know if I can afford the travel expenses ahead of time (meaning I'm only granted that info after I've already gone ahead and purchased the VAD)?

 

[nautilus]

Severe chronic untreated Lyme Disease is what lead me to develop my now-incurable neurological conditions. I greatly sympathize with your struggles.

I'm so sorry you caught this awful, senseless, absurd disease too. I'm not sure if my neuro symptoms are curable or not anymore. It's been ten years now, and no let-up in my extreme visual disturbances or intense neuropathy. But Lyme caused something even more horiffic to happen - and it has broken me. I'll post about it soon enough. In solidarity with you too btw Wrennie xxx

 

[mini_weeny]

They said they would take my case, I have autoimmune disease and hyperacusis, unfortunately due to my hyperacusis I can't fly there, so I'll just rot here till I die.

 

[Wrennie]

They said they would take my case, I have autoimmune disease and hyperacusis, unfortunately due to my hyperacusis I can't fly there, so I'll just rot here till I die.

It's so unimaginably cruel. We should be able to be euthanized within the confines of our own homes. It's nothing short of torture.

Even if I were accepted to Pegasos, I don't think I could afford it anymore either... Maybe the initial VAD fee, but not coupled with travel expenses for TWO people (plane, train, multiple night stay at what's probably a luxury hotel, etc.) including that my accompanying family member would have to pay for the train travel BACK home. I was just googling a flight from where I live to Switzerland and a ticket to fly economy is 5,400 roundtrip per traveler.

 

[mini_weeny]

It's so unimaginably cruel. We should be able to be euthanized within the confines of our own homes. It's nothing short of torture.

Even if I were accepted to Pegasos, I don't think I could afford it anymore either... Maybe the initial VAD fee, but not coupled with travel expenses for TWO people (plane, train, multiple night stay at what's probably a luxury hotel, etc.) including that my accompanying family member would have to pay for the train travel BACK home. I was just googling a flight from where I live to Switzerland and a ticket to fly economy is 5,400 roundtrip per traveler.

Yea exactly I think the travel costs are even more expensive than the VAD. The plane from here is also super expensive right now.
Yes it's a real tragedy we have to see our bodies rot away and endure all the pain. Many of us are not even old! What a disgrace! It will take us decades to die… or have the balls to ctb.

 

[callme]

They could be paying a hefty fee or do whatever they can to scrub any negative review that comes up. Some nursing homes in the UK do that and stay in business and get away with it due to shortage in personnel.

Or it's just that the swiss are emotionally dead and don't care about the attention their country gets for euthanasia. More like it.

 

[ket]

they're dead, jim.