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Darkover

Darkover

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Jul 29, 2021
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We are born without consent into a body with basic needs—food, water, shelter, and companionship—that must be met for survival.

These needs create dependencies, compelling us to participate in societal systems, often at great personal cost, simply to stay alive.

Capitalism and other economic systems require people to work to earn money to meet those basic needs. This can lead to a cycle of labor where many people work not for fulfillment, but to survive.

Those who cannot or choose not to participate in these systems often face poverty, homelessness, or social ostracism, leaving little room for genuine freedom.

People are encouraged to perpetuate the system by having children, ensuring the next generation of participants, who are also born without a say in their existence.

Most societies criminalize or heavily stigmatize suicide. Even where assisted suicide is legal, it's often restricted to people with terminal illnesses or severe disabilities, leaving those who are otherwise healthy but deeply unhappy without options.

True autonomy would mean the ability to choose whether to participate in life or opt out, but this is largely denied through societal, biological, and institutional forces.

They are not born as slaves, but if you look around the world and are honest with yourself, you will see that human beings are in chains everywhere you look.
To prove this just think, the mere fact that you have to work to be able to receive necessities in order to sustain survival or comfort. but I cannot accept living
in a reality or society that essentially coerces us to do so. Especially a society that condemns
suicide even while more humane methods are more readily accessible to grant those who are not willing to partake in such an event.
One they did not ask or couldn't have asked for. Who would willingly choose to live on a earth that requires you to give up most of your day to something you would
never do willingly wouldn't you rather not be apart of a world that forces you into such a dilemma were the only other option
in life is shame, starvation, homelessness?

Being born into a body with inherent needs places us at the mercy of a system that dictates how those needs are met.
Participation in societal systems, particularly economic ones, is not a choice but a survival requirement. This creates a sense of coercion, where the alternative—shame, starvation, homelessness—leaves no true freedom.
Many people spend the majority of their lives working jobs they would not choose if survival were not at stake.
Being brought into existence without consent, only to face an environment where survival requires constant labor and compromise, feels fundamentally unjust.
The societal condemnation of suicide compounds this injustice, denying people the autonomy to opt out of a life they did not choose.
By encouraging procreation and stigmatizing non-participation, society perpetuates its own mechanisms of control.
 
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pthnrdnojvsc

Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
Aug 12, 2019
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i agree with your OP post

. how did you get an ai to write that ? just asking cause i'd like to chat with an ai that won't try to argue against me and agree and reinforce my views that life is bad. well it seems like ai writing to me. the ai's i found are all censored and very pro-life. which one did you use ? or is it a local model ? just asking cause i'd like to chat with an ai that won't try to argue against me and agree and reinforce my views that life is bad.
 
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i agree with your OP post

. how did you get an ai to write that ? just asking cause i'd like to chat with an ai that won't try to argue against me and agree and reinforce my views that life is bad. well it seems like ai writing to me. the ai's i found are all censored and very pro-life. which one did you use ? or is it a local model ? just asking cause i'd like to chat with an ai that won't try to argue against me and agree and reinforce my views that life is bad.
well i do have a brain injury so i do use chatgpt free version to write stuff for me, i'm not sure what prompt i used to get it to write stuff like this
 
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NoPoint2Life

Why is this so hard?
Aug 31, 2024
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First off, I am sorry you are struggling OP

But I am sorry to see I was so disillusioned! I am 44, know nothing about AI so never even would've considered that your posts aren't coming from you and come from AI.

Smh

Still, no matter who says it everything resonates :)
 
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pthnrdnojvsc

Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
Aug 12, 2019
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well i do have a brain injury so i do use chatgpt free version to write stuff for me, i'm not sure what prompt i used to get it to write stuff like this
thanks @Darkover . yeah i understand. i just wanted to use ai for for myself cause there isn't anyone that isn't pro-life that i can bounce ideas off of .i want to use ai like chatgpt so that i can talk about these topics like suicide and antinatalism which i can't talk to anyone about. i thought chatgpt would ban me if i typed anything that isn't pro-life to it. i guess i was wrong.

and ur posts even if aided with an ai do help me a lot to see reality as they confirm what i thought . keep up the good work. they are better writen that i could write as i can't write good. and they say humans are so superior to ai when it's only beginning

i was never a big reader of books as most good writers are. i was and am a big tv youtube watcher wasting all my life on nothing
 
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Life'sA6itch

Lights out please
Oct 29, 2023
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I agree. I honestly began seeing this as a child that my existence is base on others and whether I make them happy or not to put it in the most basic of terms. Damned be my wants and needs or goals.
 
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We are born without consent into a body with basic needs—food, water, shelter, and companionship—that must be met for survival.

These needs create dependencies, compelling us to participate in societal systems, often at great personal cost, simply to stay alive.

Capitalism and other economic systems require people to work to earn money to meet those basic needs. This can lead to a cycle of labor where many people work not for fulfillment, but to survive.

Those who cannot or choose not to participate in these systems often face poverty, homelessness, or social ostracism, leaving little room for genuine freedom.

People are encouraged to perpetuate the system by having children, ensuring the next generation of participants, who are also born without a say in their existence.

Most societies criminalize or heavily stigmatize suicide. Even where assisted suicide is legal, it's often restricted to people with terminal illnesses or severe disabilities, leaving those who are otherwise healthy but deeply unhappy without options.

True autonomy would mean the ability to choose whether to participate in life or opt out, but this is largely denied through societal, biological, and institutional forces.

They are not born as slaves, but if you look around the world and are honest with yourself, you will see that human beings are in chains everywhere you look.
To prove this just think, the mere fact that you have to work to be able to receive necessities in order to sustain survival or comfort. but I cannot accept living
in a reality or society that essentially coerces us to do so. Especially a society that condemns
suicide even while more humane methods are more readily accessible to grant those who are not willing to partake in such an event.
One they did not ask or couldn't have asked for. Who would willingly choose to live on a earth that requires you to give up most of your day to something you would
never do willingly wouldn't you rather not be apart of a world that forces you into such a dilemma were the only other option
in life is shame, starvation, homelessness?

Being born into a body with inherent needs places us at the mercy of a system that dictates how those needs are met.
Participation in societal systems, particularly economic ones, is not a choice but a survival requirement. This creates a sense of coercion, where the alternative—shame, starvation, homelessness—leaves no true freedom.
Many people spend the majority of their lives working jobs they would not choose if survival were not at stake.
Being brought into existence without consent, only to face an environment where survival requires constant labor and compromise, feels fundamentally unjust.
The societal condemnation of suicide compounds this injustice, denying people the autonomy to opt out of a life they did not choose.
By encouraging procreation and stigmatizing non-participation, society perpetuates its own mechanisms of control.
Mm this was a lovely read because u hit it on the damn head 🎯 it's so fucking nice knowing folk see the truth like u do.. can't believe we were imposed here.. I always wonder wtf could anyone had ever done to deserve this place.. and we're always silenced for talking about reality.. for asking questions and tryna get deeper.. folk just want you to pretend inside all these prisons we're inside of (the world- your avatar- societal expectations etc) things are okie.. it freaks me out.. because it's literally anything but that
i agree with your OP post

. how did you get an ai to write that ? just asking cause i'd like to chat with an ai that won't try to argue against me and agree and reinforce my views that life is bad. well it seems like ai writing to me. the ai's i found are all censored and very pro-life. which one did you use ? or is it a local model ? just asking cause i'd like to chat with an ai that won't try to argue against me and agree and reinforce my views that life is bad.
They really are an that ish pisses me off.. makes me feel even more trapped.. this place literally has horror but they block the exit and insist you stay.. fuck the humans they programmed these things
 
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lotus11

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May 18, 2019
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Haha I was just going to comment about how well you write and then read the other comments to realise it was ai 🤣....still excellent points and very concise.
 
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lawlietsph

lawlietsph

can we be done here
May 6, 2023
266
I agree with this 110%.
I am only struggling because I HAVE TO find a fucking job that will make me miserable for the rest of my life. I hate it. I truly, deeply hate it. If i'm not doing it, I'll die from starvation.
I have zero interest in things. Money... Clothes, makeup, cars, all that stuff... I don't want it. But I still have to do fucking something just to be able to buy food.
I am tired, so so so so tired.
 
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Gratefulcorpse

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Aug 20, 2019
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"Unhappy fellow, you are the slave to men, you are the slave to your business, you are the slave to life. For life, without courage to die, is slavery."-Seneca [on taking one's own life.]
 
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ijustwishtodie

ijustwishtodie

I have finally found my ultimate bliss
Oct 29, 2023
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Well said. I hate being a slave. I hope that I can free myself from this slavery one day
 
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Darkover

Darkover

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Jul 29, 2021
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We are all slaves in this world without the option to leave. We are born without consent into a body with basic needs—food, water, shelter, and companionship—that must be met for survival. These needs create dependencies, compelling us to participate in societal systems, often at great personal cost, just to stay alive.

Capitalism and other economic systems demand that we work to earn money to meet these needs. This traps people in a cycle of labor where most work not for fulfillment, but simply to survive. For those who cannot or refuse to participate, the consequences are clear: poverty, homelessness, and social ostracism. This leaves no real freedom, only the illusion of choice.

People are encouraged—no, pressured—to perpetuate this system by having children, ensuring the next generation of participants, who, like us, are born without a say in their existence. Most societies criminalize or heavily stigmatize suicide. Even where assisted suicide is legal, it's often restricted to people with terminal illnesses or severe disabilities. For those who are otherwise healthy but deeply unhappy, there are no options.

Being born into a body with inherent needs places us at the mercy of systems that dictate how those needs are met. Participation is not a choice but a survival requirement. The alternative—shame, starvation, homelessness—leaves no space for genuine autonomy.

Society makes rebellion almost impossible. From birth, we are conditioned to accept this reality as normal. Schools teach obedience, not independence. Media glorifies productivity and consumption while punishing dissent. Even our free time is stolen by exhaustion or manipulated through distractions like social media and entertainment, leaving no energy to question or resist.

The cycle doesn't stop with humans. This same system ravages the planet and exploits animals, turning everything into a resource for profit. Sustainability, ethics, and even basic empathy are sacrificed to feed the endless demands of growth and consumption.

Time is another tool of oppression. Most people spend the majority of their lives working jobs they would never willingly choose if survival weren't at stake. The system doesn't just take your labor; it takes your time—your days, your years, your life.

For those who try to step outside of this, society offers punishment. People who opt for minimalism or reject traditional success are ridiculed, excluded, or forced back into the system through financial or social pressures. Even thinking about escape through suicide is stigmatized, denied, or criminalized.

Participation is coerced, and being born into such a system feels fundamentally unjust. Who would willingly choose to live in a world that demands so much and gives so little in return? A world where the only other options are shame, starvation, and homelessness?

This is not freedom; it's slavery with prettier packaging. We're not just chained by the needs of our bodies but by the demands of a system that enforces survival through labor and conformity. By encouraging procreation and stigmatizing non-participation, society ensures its mechanisms of control persist.

True autonomy would mean the ability to choose—whether to participate in life or to leave it. Until that choice exists, we are all prisoners in a world that forces us to play a game we never agreed to join.
 
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Prison planet
 
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Darkover

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Suicide, the ultimate rejection of the imposed system, is criminalized or pathologized in most societies. Where it is allowed, it is tightly regulated. People in deep existential pain—those who simply cannot bear the weight of coerced existence—are told to endure it in silence. Consent is denied at birth, and autonomy is denied in death. This is not freedom. This is captivity.
 

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