Discussion Thoughts on the existence of hell?

[throwawayeverything]

I consider myself agnostic, so I am unsure what the afterlife entails. Honestly it scares me a little bit. If it's nothing or reincarnation I wouldn't mind it, but if hell exists surely it's not worth it to ctb. What are your guy's thoughts?

 

[isthisthingon]

What are your guy's thoughts?

There's no way to know. There simply isn't. Still a bit terrifying.

 

[Aknu132]

There's no way to know. There simply isn't. Still a bit terrifying.

Science proves that hell doesn't exists but you will need to study.

 

[ToothFairy]

Scared shits, i know that if it exists its there that i'll go once i die, but im trying not to think much about it now

 

[isthisthingon]

Science proves that hell doesn't exists but you will need to study.

Can you briefly summarize your scientific understanding of death?

 

[Aknu132]

I consider myself agnostic, so I am unsure what the afterlife entails. Honestly it scares me a little bit. If it's nothing or reincarnation I wouldn't mind it, but if hell exists surely it's not worth it to ctb. What are your guy's thoughts?

Hell isn't real, is just a thing created by humans so they can't kill themselves and continue working for the rest of their live, all religions have gotten taken by the state and the state start making the rules to better fit on what they want. Losing workers for suicide is not good, so they create hell to perpetuate fear.

 

[ToothFairy]

Hell isn't real, is just a thing created by humans so they can't kill themselves and continue working for the rest of their live, all religions have gotten taken by the state and the state start making the rules to better fit on what they want. Losing workers for suicide is not good, so they create hell to perpetuate fear.

Seems a little crazy to say that science proofed something that theorically only happens after death is not real, idk tho

 

[gardenoflonely]

Honestly if "Hell" exists then it is just life. I cannot see anything being worse than this. Unimaginable horrors happen here already. If anything I would prefer Hell at this point, being stuck in something predictable, because we know it will always be bad vs. life where we can have great joys and then a gigantic loss. I just don't think anything like Hell logically makes sense to exist, or if it does, I still don't see suicide as something we'd be punished for in afterlife.

There's no way to know. There simply isn't. Still a bit terrifying.

This too. I can say whatever I want to about this topic but it really does not matter because whatever happens afterwards will always happen regardless...I can't say anything or explain away something to change that. I just hope it's nice.

 

[throwawayeverything]

There's no way to know. There simply isn't. Still a bit terrifying.

Yeah that's true. I mean everyone is going to find out eventually which gives me some relief.

 

[Aknu132]

Can you briefly summarize your scientific understanding of death?

Study, my friend. I can't simply summarize this, it won't make sense, you need to delve deeper into the subject then you can really understand why.

 

[ilovenoodles]

yeah I've always believed in hell and it's the one thing kinda stopping me from ctb, but then again we'll never know if it's true or not unless we get to that point ourselves, idk it's a tricky topic but I just think to myself "would i have gone to heaven anyway" so why care now about heaven and hell

 

[isthisthingon]

Study, my friend. I can't simply summarize this, it won't make sense, you need to delve deeper into the subject then you can really understand why.

Fair enough. Although, I was hoping for some substance in the conversation.

 

[throwawayeverything]

Science proves that hell doesn't exists but you will need to study.

Interesting, could you give me some resources about this topic? I'm not trying to sound passive aggressive I genuinely wanna know

 

[Aknu132]

Fair enough. Although, I was hoping for some substance in the conversation.

I'm sorry, but my mental health hasn't been good enough lately to discuss such a complex topic. Unfortunately, you'll have to study it.

 

[SASU-KE]

What would be the higher purpose of such a thing? Heaven or hell? Once we die, we go to hell. For what reason? It's so unbelievably silly when you really think about it. Because some higher being wants us to suffer for eternity?Really?

To such a higher being, we would be like the ants on the ground, simply not worthy of any attention. Nothing is interested in judging us for either hell or heaven.

It's such contrived bullshit to keep the masses in line.

 

[gardenoflonely]

Also I am not religious myself but this thread I interacted with a couple weeks ago was very insightful to me about how we view Hell and forgiving ourselves.

 

[Aknu132]

Interesting, could you give me some resources about this topic? I'm not trying to sound passive aggressive I genuinely wanna know

Start with The Demon-Haunted World by Carl Sagan. It's an easy read and will give you a great foundation to start debunking the things our minds create when we're unsure about something.

 

[kurgan]

Just make believe nonsense.

 

[itsgone2]

if hell exists surely it's not worth it to ctb. What are your guy's thoughts?

Hell is the absence of a relationship with God. Does it exist? Seems like I'm there now. Only God judges so it's no guarantee suicide means hell.
I don't think of it much. Other than I'm in it now. The afterlife? We will see. Im in too much pain here to worry about it.

 

[Nolongerlive]

You are already in hell at this point of life.

 

[Forever Sleep]

How can we be sure- if there even is a hell- that we aren't going there after natural death? Are all of us totally without sin prior to suicide?

I've read that not believing in God in the first place is the unforgivable sin- so, I feel like I'm already doomed- because I have very strong doubts. Plus- I don't like God's management style. Considering Lucifer is supposedly a fallen angel- banished from heaven for simply disagreeing with God- I don't think my chances look good as it is. Whether I suicide or not.

I'm hoping though, it's all just made up stories to frighten us/ bribe us into complying with social norms.

 

[wayn]

Let me tell you something. Heaven and hell aren't places where people go after they die. Those places are mental states

 

[FuneralCry]

The only hell is this horrific world where there is all this endless cruelty, torture and suffering with no limit as to how much agony one can feel, to suffer in this existence is just always an abomination to me and it's just so terrible how this existence was imposed at all.

I'll always see existence itself as the most dreadful, cruel mistake that only ever tortures existing beings all for the sake of it, for me non-existence is just the only peace, in this futile existence of torturous suffering non-existence is all I see as positive, only in non-existence will this hellish existence finally no longer be my problem.

 

[Liebestod]

Doesn't exist

 

[whywhywhy]

I consider myself agnostic, so I am unsure what the afterlife entails. Honestly it scares me a little bit. If it's nothing or reincarnation I wouldn't mind it, but if hell exists surely it's not worth it to ctb. What are your guy's thoughts?

My reasoning is any afterlife is hell by default. Inmortality sounds good on paper but if you think about it with time eventually youll run out of new things and experiences and everything will become repetitive until you cant handle it anymore.

Another main thing to consider is what is heaven? Expending eternal live with people? If you are a social reject who already struggled with life on earth what is heaven supposed to look like if you already failed at being happy in society.

The last argument is if God is supposed to be good and heaven is supposed to be a paradise, wouldnt you feel disgusted living in heaven with a god that punishes people with pain throughout all eternity? Specially people who killed themselves most of them their main sin is to have a shit life they didnt ask for. Its levels of cruelty unheard of.