Help The rat poison, bromethalin

[karlyla]

This interests me as after looking on the site it seems that this hasnt came up at all as a method to CTB, and outside of the site not even the usual quora questions. However it seems that this method has been done successfully because on PubMed their is a confirmed case of someone dying after ingesting bromethalin and what sounds even more good to be true is that it can't be reversed. What concerns me however is that from what I can find on the internet this hasnt been used as a method a whole lot, so I am wondering why it isnt being used and just how much youd have to ingest in accordance to your body weight in order for it to do the trick.

(also when it comes to using this method for myself, I am not concerned in the pain I would feel the days following ingestion, I just need something that won't be hard to get in me that I wont vomit out)

 

[Praestat_Mori]

What concerns me however is that from what I can find on the internet this hasnt been used as a method a whole lot

Well that explains it: "rat poison" is pretty easy to acquire and the method sounds very unpleasant to me (without reading anything about it) You can die from many things that are easily accessible but it's probably slow and painful. That's my opinion.

 

[Darkover]

Bromethalin is a nonanticoagulant rodenticide that is intended to lead to death in target species after ingestion of a single dose. The median lethal dose (LD50) may vary in the literature; however, toxic doses are widely accepted at one-tenth of the lowest reported LD50 in companion animal species. Cats tend to be exquisitely sensitive, with an LD50 of 0.4–0.71 mg/kg; dogs are moderately sensitive, with an LD50 of 2.38–5.6 mg/kg; and guinea pigs are uniquely resistant, with an LD50 that exceeds 1,000 mg/kg.

Bromethalin Poisoning in Animals - Toxicology - MSD Veterinary Manual

Learn about the veterinary topic of Bromethalin Poisoning in Animals. Find specific details on this topic and related topics from the MSD Vet Manual.

www.msdvetmanual.com

 

[leloyon]

Can't remember where so take this with a generous amount of salt but I'm pretty sure I heard that humans would just throw up after ingesting rat poison.

 

[karlyla]

Bromethalin is a nonanticoagulant rodenticide that is intended to lead to death in target species after ingestion of a single dose. The median lethal dose (LD50) may vary in the literature; however, toxic doses are widely accepted at one-tenth of the lowest reported LD50 in companion animal species. Cats tend to be exquisitely sensitive, with an LD50 of 0.4–0.71 mg/kg; dogs are moderately sensitive, with an LD50 of 2.38–5.6 mg/kg; and guinea pigs are uniquely resistant, with an LD50 that exceeds 1,000 mg/kg.

Bromethalin Poisoning in Animals - Toxicology - MSD Veterinary Manual

Learn about the veterinary topic of Bromethalin Poisoning in Animals. Find specific details on this topic and related topics from the MSD Vet Manual.

www.msdvetmanual.com

Thanks for the time you took to contribute to the discussion, however I am interested in the LD50 for humans, which this article does not cover.

 

[Darkover]

Thanks for the time you took to contribute to the discussion, however I am interested in the LD50 for humans, which this article does not cover.

The LD50 test involves identifying the dose of a substance that kills 50% of the test subjects. Testing this on humans would mean deliberately exposing people to potentially lethal doses, which is completely unethical and violates basic principles of human rights and medical ethics, including the Hippocratic oath to do no harm.
Such testing would be illegal in all jurisdictions as it directly endangers human life. No ethical review board or regulatory body would ever approve such experiments on humans due to the fatal risks involved.

 

[karlyla]

The LD50 test involves identifying the dose of a substance that kills 50% of the test subjects. Testing this on humans would mean deliberately exposing people to potentially lethal doses, which is completely unethical and violates basic principles of human rights and medical ethics, including the Hippocratic oath to do no harm.
Such testing would be illegal in all jurisdictions as it directly endangers human life. No ethical review board or regulatory body would ever approve such experiments on humans due to the fatal risks involved.

I'm sorry, thank you.

 

[escape_from_hell]

I wonder if they would add an emetic that would keep a human alive but allow rats to die before vomiting.
I don't doubt it is possible. But I'm imagining something like dying of nerve agent WW1 hellish convulsion style, as with many poisons.

Well that explains it: "rat poison" is pretty easy to acquire and the method sounds very unpleasant to me (without reading anything about it) You can die from many things that are easily accessible but it's probably slow and painful. That's my opinion.

Agreed many ways to die but they have to be at least preferable to jumping or hanging, which are hard enough to muster the courage for.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I wonder if they would add an emetic that would keep a human alive but allow rats to die before vomiting.
I don't doubt it is possible. But I'm imagining something like dying of nerve agent WW1 hellish convulsion style, as with many poisons.


Agreed many ways to die but they have to be at least preferable to jumping or hanging, which are hard enough to muster the courage for.

There are better ways. I think the best one after N is CO with charcoal or inert gas method. Then OD methods from the PPH. That's just my opinion.

 

[NegevChina]

There are better ways. I think the best one after N is CO with charcoal or inert gas method. Then OD methods from the PPH. That's just my opinion.

from what I read here in the CO mega-thread seems to me like CO is a bit of a gamble. most scary thing to me is failing an attempt and remain alive with brain or organ damage. Personally I'm considering jumping and developed a method of how to hit head firs to avoid failure.