The idea of being strong for persisting

[one.way.out]

It really annoys me when people call me strong for not committing suicide. Just seems like you're calling people who do commit suicide weak. And most of them are anti-suicide, into suicide prevention and all that, don't they understand that suicide isn't weak? They seem like the type who'd berate others for calling people who committed suicide weak or cowards, but then they turn around and say these things? I don't know. Maybe I'm misinterpreting?

 

[motel rooms]

Maybe I'm misinterpreting?

You're not

 

[Lost Magic]

It really annoys me when people call me strong for not committing suicide. Just seems like you're calling people who do commit suicide weak. And most of them are anti-suicide, into suicide prevention and all that, don't they understand that suicide isn't weak? They seem like the type who'd berate others for calling people who committed suicide weak or cowards, but then they turn around and say these things? I don't know. Maybe I'm misinterpreting?

Well, I think it it takes more strength to end ones life than to stay alive. In fact maybe it takes strength for both. Think about it that way.

 

[FohPah]

When you're suffering, it takes strength to kill yourself. When you're suffering, it takes strength to do the things necessary to improve your situation. In either case, you're doing something bold and challenging. A weak person just sits and does nothing.

 

[motel rooms]

When you're suffering, it takes strength to kill yourself. When you're suffering, it takes strength to do the things necessary to improve your situation. In either case, you're doing something bold and challenging. A weak person just sits and does nothing.

So all the people on this forum who aren't in recovery but haven't killed themselves yet are weak?

 

[Alwaysbadtime]

No matter what there are folks that just fucking do it. Suffering is shit and people who hesitate are scared.

Caitlyn Loane, Tara Condell...chicas who did it...doubtful they were on a forum for years wanting to do it and not.

Some people are fucking terrified and others just I guess do it not scared.

People living my life would surely off themselves I would hope. My dad said he would kill himself if he was physically impaired...I guess mentally too...if his quality of life was so shitty. WELL he doesn't know the FUCK what I do every day. I KNOW he would off himself in my situation.

 

[slyna]

I really hate this sentence because its really all about fear. That's it.
People that are scared use sentences like that because they want to believe there are strong people and that they are strong when in fact the answer is much more grey. I'd go out on a limb and say everyone are scared/ fragile.

But this sentence works sometimes because people really believe it and they steel themselves for the moment etc

When you're suffering, it takes strength to kill yourself. When you're suffering, it takes strength to do the things necessary to improve your situation. In either case, you're doing something bold and challenging. A weak person just sits and does nothing.

That's not weaknesses. It's other factoring but it's easier for you to just write it off as weakness.

It really annoys me when people call me strong for not committing suicide. Just seems like you're calling people who do commit suicide weak. And most of them are anti-suicide, into suicide prevention and all that, don't they understand that suicide isn't weak? They seem like the type who'd berate others for calling people who committed suicide weak or cowards, but then they turn around and say these things? I don't know. Maybe I'm misinterpreting?

They do it out of fear.
People get scared shitless when they hear of suicide. They usually can't handle it and all kinds of emotion trigger. Mostly fear. Maybe a little anger.. confusion..

Then it has to go somewhere or they need to divert the attention to something else than their existential dread or whatever and they say a suicidal person is a coward because it feels good for them to vent.

Try to look at things with a critical eye.
They're just scared.

 

[slyna]

I meant factors* not factoring.
Damn AC.

 

[Tomoko]

I've always felt it this way:
People say suicide is for cowards all the time. But if they were coming face to face with death, I'm certain they would be terrified. If someone is suffering, why is it cowardly to not continue living a life of misery? I also know they sometimes pull the selfish logic, but the same example applies. How is it selfish to want to stop feeling horrible in a world where you physically can not, whether it be something wrong mentally or even physically. It's saddening.

 

[Rhaiyne]

Perhaps people use words such as weak, strong, cowardly interchangeably... depends on the level of fear from the person using the word... perhaps it's some weird reverse psychology type language... thinking about ending my life everyday makes me calm and nervous.... so does that mean I'm weak and a little bit strong... because feeling nervous does not always need to have a weak action attached...

 

[Superdeterminist]

It really annoys me when people call me strong for not committing suicide. Just seems like you're calling people who do commit suicide weak. And most of them are anti-suicide, into suicide prevention and all that, don't they understand that suicide isn't weak? They seem like the type who'd berate others for calling people who committed suicide weak or cowards, but then they turn around and say these things? I don't know. Maybe I'm misinterpreting?

This tends to be true. These people ofte do see suicide as cowardice. They can think what they like, I know for myself that I'm not a coward just for wanting to quit a bad game.

 

[BottomlessPit]

Imagine being in constant denial of the horrific nature of existence, and then calling those who recognize the futility of it all cowards.

 

[FuneralCry]

There is nothing weak about suicide. Taking our own lives is hard as us humans are programmed to survive. I see the right to die as important, it isn't like we have an obligation to stay alive, it isn't weak just because we decide that our lives are not worth living. It is a human right to decide when enough is enough. Many people simply do not want to suffer anymore, suicide can be seen as a perfectly rational decision in many cases. People who say things like this are likely to be not suicidal, so they cannot comprehend what it is like. Terms like this are often used as a form of guilt tripping.

Personally I wouldn't see my persisting, the fact that I have not ctb yet as being either strong or weak. Due to the SI and the fact that society makes it hard for us to take our own lives, it is not weak, the fact that I am still here. For that same reason, I do not feel like I am strong as I feel trapped. I do not display any behaviours of strength, in fact I have basically given up on life and it is like I have already died, and yet I am still here because it is hard to ctb.