SN with short acting drug for anesthesia?

[knowledgeseeking]

To avoid feeling the SN discomfort, I was considering adding a drug to completely knock me out. The plan would be to inject the drug IM after ingesting the SN which would keep me unconscious for 15-20 minutes.

Can anyone think of any reasons this would be a bad idea?

 

[Macedonian1987]

It's not a bad idea, but the timing must be impeccable for you to carry out this plan successfully. You should test-drive the drugs you plan to use on yourself before attempting SN, to see how your body reacts to them.

 

[knowledgeseeking]

It's not a bad idea, but the timing must be impeccable for you to carry out this plan successfully. You should test-drive the drugs you plan to use on yourself before attempting SN, to see how your body reacts to them.

That's good advice. Thank you.

 

[unluckysadness]

These days I'm thinking a lot about the same idea. We know that SN is effective so if we find something which can knock us out within seconds will resolve the 12-15 minute waiting problem. AI could maybe help but we need to be extremely careful.

We could maybe use this thread to do brainstorming about which products could be effective ? If any chemists are here, you're welcome

The only thing I know is that chloroform (like in movies) is just cinema so it doesn't work. But I guess other products could work.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

What drugs for anesthesia can one buy?

 

[NaiveRealist]

To avoid feeling the SN discomfort, I was considering adding a drug to completely knock me out. The plan would be to inject the drug IM after ingesting the SN which would keep me unconscious for 15-20 minutes.

Can anyone think of any reasons this would be a bad idea?

Been considering the same, but as far as I know most drugs that can make you unconscious also increase the chances of vomiting the SN. You might still succeed in spite of that, but it will probably increase the risk of failure.

One idea is that, instead of taking the benzos orally as the protocol suggests, you inject them, which supposedly would knock you out pretty quickly. It seems to me that this wouldn't significantly increase the chances of vomiting compared to taking benzos orally, but I don't know if that's true. However, most benzos come in pill form and are not water-soluble, rendering them unsuitable for injection. Therefore, sourcing an injectable benzo—like midazolam—is difficult for most people.

Other drugs that could be used that are somewhat accessible are, for example, dissociatives and opioids. However, both are known to induce vomiting sometimes, especially at doses high enough to make you unconscious.

Note though that I don't have authority on medical matters, so do take this with a grain of salt.

 

[knowledgeseeking]

Been considering the same, but as far as I know most drugs that can make you unconscious also increase the chances of vomiting the SN. You might still succeed in spite of that, but it will probably increase the risk of failure.

One idea is that, instead of taking the benzos orally as the protocol suggests, you inject them, which supposedly would knock you out pretty quickly. It seems to me that this wouldn't significantly increase the chances of vomiting compared to taking benzos orally, but I don't know if that's true. However, most benzos come in pill form and are not water-soluble, rendering them unsuitable for injection. Therefore, sourcing an injectable benzo—like midazolam—is difficult for most people.

Other drugs that could be used that are somewhat accessible are, for example, dissociatives and opioids. However, both are known to induce vomiting sometimes, especially at doses high enough to make you unconscious.

Note though that I don't have authority on medical matters, so do take this with a grain of salt.

The drug I'm thinking of using would be injected in the muscle. Do you think that would add to the risk of vomiting?

What drugs for anesthesia can one buy?

I'm not sure there are options to buy for everyone. I lucked out and was able to get some dexdomitor from a friend.

 

[NaiveRealist]

The drug I'm thinking of using would be injected in the muscle. Do you think that would add to the risk of vomiting?

I'm not sure there are options to buy for everyone. I lucked out and was able to get some dexdomitor from a friend.

The drug you mentioned—dexdomitor—is apparently sometimes used to induce vomiting in cats by taking it orally: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11156238/.

Here is a source on vomiting as a result of IM injection in cats: https://www.vin.com/apputil/content...cur after intramuscular,incidence is low (7%). According to this source, "vomiting may occur after intramuscular administration of dexmedetomidine in cats, but its overall incidence is low (7%)." If the cat would hypothetically also have SN in its system, that would probably increase the incidence of vomiting by a lot. And it is probably safe to assume that this drug will also sometimes lead to vomiting in humans.

This is just what a quick google search brought up, there is probably much more information out there.

 

[knowledgeseeking]

The drug you mentioned—dexdomitor—is apparently sometimes used to induce vomiting in cats by taking it orally: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11156238/.

Here is a source on vomiting as a result of IM injection in cats: https://www.vin.com/apputil/content/defaultadv1.aspx?pId=11290&id=4252628#:~:text=Vomiting may occur after intramuscular,incidence is low (7%). According to this source, "vomiting may occur after intramuscular administration of dexmedetomidine in cats, but its overall incidence is low (7%)." If the cat would hypothetically also have SN in its system, that would probably increase the incidence of vomiting by a lot. And it is probably safe to assume that this drug will also sometimes lead to vomiting in humans.

This is just what a quick google search brought up, there is probably much more information out there.

Thank you for looking that up and sending the information. I tested it out IM and didn't feel any nausea, but it still makes me nervous. I'll keep thinking this though.

Thank you again. Very kind of you.

 

[Rogue_Gendarme]

One idea is that, instead of taking the benzos orally as the protocol suggests, you inject them, which supposedly would knock you out pretty quickly. It seems to me that this wouldn't significantly increase the chances of vomiting compared to taking benzos orally, but I don't know if that's true. However, most benzos come in pill form and are not water-soluble, rendering them unsuitable for injection. Therefore, sourcing an injectable benzo—like midazolam—is difficult for most people.

If only it could be applied to SN too, because SN consumption is uncomfortable, and you might throw it up even with 5×10mg AE stat dose or even with +3×10mg a day before. But alas, it states in the SN Bible (I think) that that way of CTB'ing is untenable because it requires assistance and it's difficult. Which is also why I wouldn't bet on self-injecting benzodiazepines, in addition to the fact that some are water-insoluble and that those that might actually be water soluble are those which are less powerful than, say, xanax, valium, or klonopin. But that's just my 2 cents on that.

 

[knowledgeseeking]

If only it could be applied to SN too, because SN consumption is uncomfortable, and you might throw it up even with 5×10mg AE stat dose or even with +3×10mg a day before. But alas, it states in the SN Bible (I think) that that way of CTB'ing is untenable because it requires assistance and it's difficult. Which is also why I wouldn't bet on self-injecting benzodiazepines, in addition to the fact that some are water-insoluble and that those that might actually be water soluble are those which are less powerful than, say, xanax, valium, or klonopin. But that's just my 2 cents on that.

I agree about injecting Xanax. It is more effective taken orally. Trying to inject that would be a waste. What I have been considering is using a veterinary sedative called dexdomitor. I have a vile of it. I tested it once by injecting it IM and it did knock me out. That is what I was considering using with the SN.

I have Meto, Zofran, propranolol and the SN. I was gong to follow the anti emetic two day protocol and then drink the SN. After ingesting the SN I am considering injecting myself with the Dex to knock me unconscious. The only concern I have and other have brought up is vomiting. I am not sure how concerned I need to be about that.

 

[Rogue_Gendarme]

I agree about injecting Xanax. It is more effective taken orally. Trying to inject that would be a waste. What I have been considering is using a veterinary sedative called dexdomitor. I have a vile of it. I tested it once by injecting it IM and it did knock me out. That is what I was considering using with the SN.

I have Meto, Zofran, propranolol and the SN. I was gong to follow the anti emetic two day protocol and then drink the SN. After ingesting the SN I am considering injecting myself with the Dex to knock me unconscious. The only concern I have and other have brought up is vomiting. I am not sure how concerned I need to be about that.

I'm not entirely familiar with the effectiveness of AE even in combination. As in Zofran + Metoclopramide + that Dexdomitor. I suggest researching more about the interactions of those and the usefulness of the latter injection, since it is an analgesic mostly for cats and dogs. I'm not saying it's not practical, just that it's better if you have other sources like Ketamine and such.

Anyway, don't worry about the throwing up part because regardless of what you do, you may still throw up. SN is just that nasty. But, even if you do throw up and retch out some SN, the needed fatal dose (6gm or so if I'm not mistaken) has already been consumed even if you've thrown out the other 19gm of SN. An analgesic and euphoric sedative is best for this: the throwing stuff is easy, the body shutting down is hard.

Knocking myself out cold is also a part of my plan which is why I'm eyeing Ketamine, Carisoprodol, Tramadol, etc. at the moment. Anyway, I hope that helps, and good luck, stranger.