SN Success Rate

[job1315]

Excluding those people who were found and didn't follow the what is the success rate?

Everyone always disagrees with my interpretation of the success/failures document, so I thought I'd crowdsource this.

One note: the regimen should only count if they took metoclopramide or dopamine blockers as those are the only antiemetics that work. Other ones should not be counted IMO (odansetron / Zofran)

 

[Mm80]

From experiences reported on here, with what you have specified, i think 100 percent.

 

[laeloth]

I hope that without using antiemetics it is also possible. I don't usually vomit but I never drank SN

 

[Raminiki]

From experiences reported on here, with what you have specified, i think 100 percent.

If that's true, it's a comfort.

 

[Mm80]

If that's true, it's a comfort.

Im sure someone will correct me if im wrong. But i dont recall the survival of anyone on here who followed anti enemic regime, took proper dosage with backup, allowed enough time to not be discovered and didnt call for help.

 

[Shotgunjohn]

i believe theres a thread out there that shows the amount of successes without using meto. the number is pretty high and i want to say meto isnt necessary but im not an expert on it.


its possible to still ctb after vomitting as long as you dont vomit before it can enter your bloodstream.


most failures from sn dont come from vomitting but rather being found before the sn can work. that or the person didnt follow the right dosage protocols.

 

[Meditation guide]

According to PPH it's 70 to 80%.

 

[drwt]

It depends on your body weight and the time frame. If you measure it correctly, how long it takes to be found.
If you do everything right it should be 99.5%. Even if you are found immediately, paramedics are not equipped with antidote for SN - if you hide it there will be confusion, time wasted trying to help you, time it takes to get to the hospital. It all takes too long. It's pretty much a guaranteed success.
Even if you should throw up it will kill you.

 

[Raminiki]

According to PPH it's 70 to 80%.

Are there failures or recoveries reported that aren't due to rescue? 70-80% is a highly concerning figure. 30% chance of survival if you do everything correctly? I've not seen anyone from here return after the fact. What's this 30% about??

 

[Spitfire]

Even if at the present time there are not a whole lot of case reports in the literature.. in my opinion SN is 99.9% deadly, or close enough to it.

If there is no medical assistance and the right amount of SN is consumed, you will die in my opinion.

I think it is the timing of it all. There is a window of time to be 'saved', and if you go past that you do not stand much of a chance.

Some people are probably very lucky to survive the protocol due to timing of events.

 

[Meditation guide]

There is a window of time to be 'saved', and if you go past that you do not stand much of a chance.

Assuming someone gets to the hospital who is not yet dead, apparently death takes at least half an hour or more. Otherwise they wouldn't have time to get to the hospital and get treatment.

Some have bodies that are very efficient at producing the chemical that prevents SN from killing them. Some are not as efficient at that and die sooner.

It seems possible someone could remain conscious for half an hour, pass out, and later regain consciousness and throw it off without going to the hospital although I've not heard of that.

 

[I screwed up]

I hope if you have meto + SN the chances of success is near 100% ... It's my only method as I don't have the balls to hang or jump..

 

[Spitfire]

It seems possible someone could remain conscious for half an hour, pass out, and later regain consciousness and throw it off without going to the hospital although I've not heard of that.

It really does not seem like it. The methb levels rise above fatal levels for far too long a time. The human body does not seem capable to convert heme back to the ferrous state quickly enough.. outside of having obtained the necessary medical intervention.

 

[Meditation guide]

really does not seem like it. The methb levels rise above fatal levels for far too long a time.

People have survived with impossibly high levels and died with much lower levels. What would be certainly fatal for most has not been fatal for everyone.

There is no such level that is fatal for everyone. There is no upper limit that is fatal.

 

[Spitfire]

People have survived with impossibly high levels and died with much lower levels. What would be certainly fatal for most has not been fatal for everyone.

There is no such level that is fatal for everyone. There is no upper limit that is fatal.

People have survived impossibly high levels without medical intervention?

 

[Meditation guide]

People have survived impossibly high levels without medical intervention?

I don't know. How would anyone know it is a high level without medical intervention? They have to be in a hospital to know what the level is, and they get saved. Others with much lower levels do not get saved, they die. My point was that you can't go by those levels to tell who will live or die.

 

[Spitfire]

I don't know.

I would highly doubt it.

 

[Meditation guide]

I would highly doubt it.

They know the level due to being in the hospital. One person had an astronomically high level that you would think would kill anyone but he survived. He got medical intervention. They only manage to save about 50% who go to the hospital.

 

[Thin Chew]

i believe theres a thread out there that shows the amount of successes without using meto. the number is pretty high and i want to say meto isnt necessary but im not an expert on it.


its possible to still ctb after vomitting as long as you dont vomit before it can enter your bloodstream.


most failures from sn dont come from vomitting but rather being found before the sn can work. that or the person didnt follow the right dosage protocols.

So it's still possible to success even tho after vomiting right? Just the matter of absorption. So if I drink it with an empty stomach. And yet, I still vomited it out. I still have chance to success?

 

[Meditation guide]

So it's still possible to success even tho after vomiting right?

Almost everyone vomits. I've only seen a couple of people on here who didn't.

We are just getting second hand accounts from them or from people who are in contact with them. We never know if they actually did die. But when they stop writing after being in constant messaging we assume they lost consciousness and died.

 

[Thin Chew]

Almost everyone vomits. I've only seen a couple of people on here who didn't, so expect to vomit. And as far as anyone can tell, since we don't know for sure, they all died anyway. I got the impression that the few who managed to take the second glass of SN passed out immediately, never to awake.

Wait, passed out immediately? I thought is a slow process?

 

[Meditation guide]

I would highly doubt it.

Who knows? How would anyone know if someone survived without medical intervention? It might take them a long time of maybe 24 hours also. It's highly variable and there are probably all kinds of scenarios.

 

[Spitfire]

They know the level due to being in the hospital. One person had an astronomically high level that you would think would kill anyone but he survived. He got medical intervention. They only manage to save about 50% who go to the hospital.

There was the 90%+ case who survived (with meth blue administration).

If the concentration rises rapidly (such as after consuming 20-30 grams) the body is simply not able to convert the resulting methb fast enough to sustain life.

I may be wrong, but think I remember reading it takes 24-72 hours for the natural pathway to reduce the total methhg by 30%? I can not find it now to know for sure though?

 

[Spitfire]

Who knows? How would anyone know if someone survived without medical intervention? It might take them a long time of maybe 24 hours also. It's highly variable and there are probably all kinds of scenarios.

I looked into it a little further. It is confusing because the primary natural pathway humans use for reducing heme iron has multiple steps and variables. I found the paper I was thinking of.. and just sharing the information.

(copied & pasted)
Hemoglobin Autooxidation/Oxidation Mechanisms and Methemoglobin Prevention or Reduction Processes in the Bloodstream Literature review and outline of autooxidation reaction:

Red blood cells contain enzymatic or chemical reduction systems that restore the molecule to its active form and physiological function, keeping the circulating methemoglobin below 1%. These processes are equally important in methemoglobinemia, but they often appear to be insufficient.

This [The NAD-dependent pathway or Embden-Meyerof] is normally the only pathway involved in methemoglobin reduction and the reaction is slow. Reduction varies from one species to another; it is fast in the rabbit, and slow in humans, dogs, rats and guinea pigs [38]. It can correct a methemoglobinemia of up to 30% of the total hemoglobin due to poisoning spontaneously within 24-72 hours. One molecule of cytochrome b5 can link to one subunit of methemoglobin and transfer the electron required to reduce the femc iron to ferrous iron. The cytochrome is indispensable and its concentration is what determines the rate of
methemoglobin reduction.

The NADP-dependent pathway is different... This pathway has a very low physiological output because it needs an electron acceptor not found in the body between the enzyme and the methemoglobin . This must, therefore, be brought from outside. Clinical treatment generally uses methylene blue as electron acceptor.

(end copy & paste)

I did not look into the non-enzymatic pathways too closely. The non-enzymatic pathways can only account for 30% of the total erythrocyte reduction potential at best.

 

[issyishere]

I think it's important to note that if someone is properly following the regimen they are probably more determined than those who do it without. Not trying to insult those who do it without meto or dopamine blockers because I plan to without. I still think those who plan more are more likely to succeed because they'll probably make sure most variables are taken out. (being found, vomiting, being alone etc)

 

[JustABunchOfAtoms]

AFAIK the only way it can fail is from getting caught

 

[somuchpain1]

Even if at the present time there are not a whole lot of case reports in the literature.. in my opinion SN is 99.9% deadly, or close enough to it.

If there is no medical assistance and the right amount of SN is consumed, you will die in my opinion.

I think it is the timing of it all. There is a window of time to be 'saved', and if you go past that you do not stand much of a chance.

Some people are probably very lucky to survive the protocol due to timing of events.

Even without AE?

i believe theres a thread out there that shows the amount of successes without using meto. the number is pretty high and i want to say meto isnt necessary but im not an expert on it.


its possible to still ctb after vomitting as long as you dont vomit before it can enter your bloodstream.


most failures from sn dont come from vomitting but rather being found before the sn can work. that or the person didnt follow the right dosage protocols.

Where is this thread?

 

[Ethereal Knight]

PPeH (from Nov 2021) says it's very reliable and the only failures they witnessed were people who got found and taken to the hospital.

 

[aspiecarl]

I'm concerned with how I might look after I'm found dead with N. Will it traumatize family or friends who might make the discovery?

 

[Graytaichi]

Last week, 3 person have tried SN. Never heard of until now. If you experience heavy panting before an hour. Its a good sign.