sunny/omori
necessary? unnecessary?
- Apr 3, 2022
- 99
I was planning to cbt by exit bag (argon) method. I bought everything and need, but the hoose is too thick and heavy and i am afraid it can pull out. When i search here for more info I stumble on some disturbing claims.
Fromgermany (now banned) maked the point that some people get convulsion and because of multiple settups and persons 15 l/min isnt not good enought for everybody and there is a significant risk of become vegetable. None of that is even mentioned in PPH. I bought only 1 m3 of argon because that was the lighter tank i could get and supossedly it was 4 times enough gas to cbt safetely. PPH says that two breaths was enought to fall unconscious, but some people was there a lot more. That means there's some oxygen still in the bag. The possibility of survive a deprived oxygen bag for 40 minutes make me so appalled that i had to stop my plan.
Still want to cbt though, so i was reading about SN (cant get nembutal sadly). The PPH says that although is a new nethod needed of more research, it's relatevely peaceful and fast method. Then again there is that video in this forum of a 40+ minutes agony with SN. It doesnt just kill you of cellular hipoxia but it seems to shock you as described syntoms (i am a MD).
By that way, taking PBI one hour prior to elevate gastric pH doesnt make any sense. You have to take it before meal so it can deactivate acid-producing gastric cells. Anyone who have gastric refflux know that.
So i was thinking maybe use exit bag with SN or other method will ensure i fall asleep fast and be sure I will be death before the tank get empty. It seems there is a risk i vomit unconscious, if that happen I doesnt matter if i aspire because i am not awake but because of that i will not be able no abort the attempt and will depend on the argon alone.
This is so complicated and frustrating. It would be more simple if i can get a assisted death. I am even considering violent but more secure methods. I know Exit Foundation and others have used multiples times the exit bag. But they assist the process is something go wrong, s that is a big difference. Once i pull down the bag luck is cast.
Fromgermany (now banned) maked the point that some people get convulsion and because of multiple settups and persons 15 l/min isnt not good enought for everybody and there is a significant risk of become vegetable. None of that is even mentioned in PPH. I bought only 1 m3 of argon because that was the lighter tank i could get and supossedly it was 4 times enough gas to cbt safetely. PPH says that two breaths was enought to fall unconscious, but some people was there a lot more. That means there's some oxygen still in the bag. The possibility of survive a deprived oxygen bag for 40 minutes make me so appalled that i had to stop my plan.
Still want to cbt though, so i was reading about SN (cant get nembutal sadly). The PPH says that although is a new nethod needed of more research, it's relatevely peaceful and fast method. Then again there is that video in this forum of a 40+ minutes agony with SN. It doesnt just kill you of cellular hipoxia but it seems to shock you as described syntoms (i am a MD).
By that way, taking PBI one hour prior to elevate gastric pH doesnt make any sense. You have to take it before meal so it can deactivate acid-producing gastric cells. Anyone who have gastric refflux know that.
So i was thinking maybe use exit bag with SN or other method will ensure i fall asleep fast and be sure I will be death before the tank get empty. It seems there is a risk i vomit unconscious, if that happen I doesnt matter if i aspire because i am not awake but because of that i will not be able no abort the attempt and will depend on the argon alone.
This is so complicated and frustrating. It would be more simple if i can get a assisted death. I am even considering violent but more secure methods. I know Exit Foundation and others have used multiples times the exit bag. But they assist the process is something go wrong, s that is a big difference. Once i pull down the bag luck is cast.
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