Silly statistics...

[Pain In The Ass]

I can't be bothered to research this, so I may be talking out my arse, or just thinking out loud, but isn't it likely that the 'survival rate' statistic for full-suspension hanging is a total load of bullshit, because you can't survive a full suspension hanging - if you survived, then that's not what you did! If you survived then what you survived was a 'hangy, rope snappy, head hit floor, woke up 5 minutes later, dumb thing', or a 'hangy, feet touched the floor a bit, grandma walked in and cut me down, silly thing', or a 'hung for 10 seconds, branch snapped, lay on floor for half an hour, walked home feeling ashamed, weird thing' - if you actually did a full-suspension hang, with your feet a meter from the floor, without being cut down for 3 hours, you'd be dead, so there's no such thing really as a 'survival rate' for a full-suspension hang - if you survived, then that's not what you did. Tell me if I'm talking shit...

 

[GideonVandaleur]

I can't be bothered to research this, so I may be talking out my arse, or just thinking out loud, but isn't it likely that the 'survival rate' statistic for full-suspension hanging is a total load of bullshit, because you can't survive a full suspension hanging - if you survived, then that's not what you did! If you survived then what you survived was a 'hangy, rope snappy, head hit floor, woke up 5 minutes later, dumb thing', or a 'hangy, feet touched the floor a bit, grandma walked in and cut me down, silly thing', or a 'hung for 10 seconds, branch snapped, lay on floor for half an hour, walked home feeling ashamed, weird thing' - if you actually did a full-suspension hang, with your feet a meter from the floor, without being cut down for 3 hours, you'd be dead, so there's no such thing really as a 'survival rate' for a full-suspension hang - if you survived, then that's not what you did. Tell me if I'm talking shit...

The point you're hitting upon is the importance of methodology and classification in data gathering. You're not wrong, quite often data gets distorted because no specific distinction is made and everything gets lumped into one statistic exactly how you described.

 

[Al Cappella]

Nope—you're right. And if you ask me, folks are waaaaay overthinking this thing. Common sense, people. I mean, what the fuck did people do before google and forums? Go next door and ask "what's the chance of failure if my rope is .75 inches in diameter x 4.8 feet long, if I've just eaten a bag of Doritos and I'm wearing my orthopaedic shoes?" It's not rocket science…

 

[Pain In The Ass]

The point you're hitting upon is the importance of methodology and classification in data gathering. You're not wrong, quite often data gets distorted because no specific distinction is made and everything gets lumped into one statistic exactly how you described.

Exactly - people like to say stuff like, 'A woman once survived a 30,000ft fall', but when you look into the details, she was actually still strapped into her seat in a small section of the rear fuselage of a plane, that had broken off, and was light enough to almost float down to earth, rather like a heavy parachute, and fell into some dense forest, cushioning the fall, and still resulting in her being very badly hurt. She definitely didn't 'survive a 30,000ft fall', in the way that that description brings to mind!

Nope—you're right. And if you ask me, folks are waaaaay overthinking this thing. Common sense, people. I mean, what the fuck did people do before google and forums? Go next door and ask "what's the chance of failure if my rope is .75 inches in diameter x 4.8 feet long, if I've just eaten a bag of Doritos and I'm wearing my orthopaedic shoes?" It's not rocket science…

I know what you mean. I think maybe the idea of the need for a forum, or books, to guide you through CTB is possibly causing people to think that this needs overthinking, myself included! If I could full-hang, whilst drunk, sedated and opiated, and be unconscious in 10 seconds, I'd see that as a success, then the rest can happen whilst I'm unconscious.

 

[CloseFriendofCamus]

I certainly can relate. I also plan to do a full hanging, which is supposed to be simple, yet I worry about tiniest of details. Overthinking really kicks in. Maybe because I only have ONE shot at this, I can't afford several suicide attempts, I want one that will be final.

I can't be bothered to research this, so I may be talking out my arse, or just thinking out loud, but isn't it likely that the 'survival rate' statistic for full-suspension hanging is a total load of bullshit, because you can't survive a full suspension hanging - if you survived, then that's not what you did! If you survived then what you survived was a 'hangy, rope snappy, head hit floor, woke up 5 minutes later, dumb thing', or a 'hangy, feet touched the floor a bit, grandma walked in and cut me down, silly thing', or a 'hung for 10 seconds, branch snapped, lay on floor for half an hour, walked home feeling ashamed, weird thing' - if you actually did a full-suspension hang, with your feet a meter from the floor, without being cut down for 3 hours, you'd be dead, so there's no such thing really as a 'survival rate' for a full-suspension hang - if you survived, then that's not what you did. Tell me if I'm talking shit...

Is a meter off the floor necessary? I seen people hang barely inches from the ground, feet in the air

 

[Pain In The Ass]

I certainly can relate. I also plan to do a full hanging, which is supposed to be simple, yet I worry about tiniest of details. Overthinking really kicks in. Maybe because I only have ONE shot at this, I can't afford several suicide attempts, I want one that will be final.

Is a meter off the floor necessary? I seen people hang barely inches from the ground, feet in the air

A meter isn't exactly 'necessary', it would just be a sign that you made sure to allow more than enough room for things to stretch out, like the rope, and your body, without allowing anything to reach the floor

 

[CloseFriendofCamus]

A meter isn't exactly 'necessary', it would just be a sign that you made sure to allow more than enough room for things to stretch out, like the rope, and your body, without allowing anything to reach the floor

Thank you friend