Realistically, what are the chances

[ChaiTea]

I see so much stuff on here about tips on how to properly hang yourself, the kind of rope to use, what not to do, etc.

But what are the chances of cbt if i just go ahead and do it on a whim one day?

I don't mean by having a random episode or whatever to clarify. I've tried to cbt twice in my life, most recently a couple months ago and it just sent me to the hospital for a couple weeks. I've still been debating it, I just want to know the chances of it actually working instead of doing all this research as I feel like it'll just make me less motivated to kms

 

[EternalShore]

I mean, I would just search up the % survival rates of your chosen method, and those are probably your percent chance of success unless you put in a lot of active preparations to increase them~ :) since you mention hanging, that's like 40% I think, and partial, oh dear~ very small to say the least! xD 5%?
as you may know, the chances of most methods are quite low, and there can be very negative and permanent effects on your body or mind if you fail or are "saved"~

 

[evanescent_eva]

It depends on if you do it right! Per this metanalysis of 34 studies, among hanging cases (both partial and full) that result in death or hospitalization, there is an 85% case fatality rate - second in lethality only to firearms. If among those cases you ignore cases where the person was found within half an hour, the fatality rate jumps to pretty damn near 100%.

But if you apply suboptimal pressure around your neck, or if you use suboptimal materials, suboptimal knots, suboptimal ligature placement, a suboptimal anchor point...the odds go down. If you do partial instead of full, the odds go down. If your survival instinct causes you to abort the attempt, the odds go down. It's up to you how much research you want to do. You can basically make this a sure thing, if you'd like. Or you could skimp on research, and potentially increase the odds of failure dramatically.

Additionally, while I'm probably part of the camp that thinks that the risk of permanent physiological or neurological damage from a failed hanging attempt is at least somewhat overstated (here's another study, though I've seen anecdotal reports saying the rate of injury is higher than reported, so ymmv), the risk of hurting yourself if you don't do this right isn't zero. So please, be careful and do your research; otherwise, this probably shouldn't be the method for you.

 

[wham311]

Number for hanging are likely not accurate. Not all failures are going to get reported.

 

[evanescent_eva]

Number for hanging are likely not accurate. Nowhere near all failures are going to get reported.

I would agree that the total success rate for all hanging attempts is lower than 85%, probably by a lot, for precisely the reason you say (which is why I went out of my way to qualify the 85% rate as describing only cases of death and hospitalization, and why I went out of my way to note anecdotal accounts of injury!)

With that said, as someone who has read a lot of anecdotal accounts of failed hanging attempts....at least when it comes to full suspension, there really aren't a lot of cases where there wasn't at least some source of avoidable error. Or at the very least, I've well and truly struggled to find many such anecdotes. I'm not trying to be purposely obtuse here, nor am I trying to start a flame war. Of course absence of evidence doesn't equate to evidence of absence. And I'm very specifically not talking about partial hanging, where you can in fact do everything correctly and still not CTB. With that said, most people who fail with full suspension and report back with nontrivial levels of detail tend to have the following things to say:

• "My ligature broke!" Well, you either tied a bad knot or the breaking force of the ligature was too weak.
• "My anchor point broke!" Well, you didn't pick one that could support your weight.
• "I didn't step off the chair!" Well, I guess your SI kicked in.
• "I stepped off the chair, but didn't pass out when I attempted!" Well, then you pretty much definitionally applied suboptimal pressure around your carotid arteries. Hypoxia cannot occur if blood is getting to the brain, if blood is getting to your brain, then your carotids weren't sufficiently compressed.
  • Pressure around the neck is entirely a function of the area of the ligature times the force applied to your neck by the ligature. Likely your ligature was too wide, or the force applied by your body weight was reduced because the angle of the hanging was too acute and/or off-center, or you didn't use a self-constricting noose. When it only takes 5kg of force to cut off the carotid arteries (this is what studies say, and I've seen far too many videos of hangings and blood chokes of far too many differently-sized people to believe that this isn't so - not to mention I've confirmed it on myself), there's truly not much else that can go wrong in this regard.
  • Unless of course the ligature wasn't around the carotid arteries at all. Could be an issue of knot placement, or ligature placement, or angle of hanging.
• "I passed out, and nothing broke, but I didn't CTB!" Well, I guess you were found within half an hour.
• And here's close to two dozen more accounts that are basically some combination of the above. And there are many, many more that you can find for yourself, if you don't want to take my word for it.

Again, I'm not saying all failed attempts get reported, and I'm not saying there isn't bias in terms of what gets reported and what doesn't. I'm not saying I've read every report of failed full suspension, either, and I'm not even saying that there aren't cases where it really does seem like everything went right, and the hanging still failed anyway (here's one such case, if you're curious!).

What I am saying is that, as far as I've read - and I've read quite a lot! - and as far as I've researched - and I've researched quite a lot! - and as far as I've seen on video - and I've watched quite a lot! - and as far as I've tested on myself - and I've tested quite a lot! don't be like me! - full suspension hanging is pretty damn effective when you do everything right. In my opinion it's much closer to 100% effective than to 40%. But you're entitled to your own <3

 

[plytiene]

Hanging might be easier if you can manage to do the "pass out game" first, of cutting bloodflow and passing out manually to identify where you need to apply pressure, how much, and how long. Either by hand or with a hand applied ligature, pulling a simple loop tight to the sides. Which is the opposite of doing on a whim.
A secondary helping tool would be some form of sleep aid (I've seen people discuss sleeping pills or plain strong alcohol) that keeps you under when your body weight pulls onto the ligature.
Both accounts involve some preparation, so obviously the more you've done beforehand and can remember to ctb, the better.

 

[JesiBel]

A picture or video is worth a thousand words:

Thread 'Videos of succesful hangings'

Videos of succesful hangings

Anyone who want to post videos you have found of good hangings in full suspension? (For educational purposes) Here are the ones I've found. I think they all go unconscious in just a matter of seconds. - https://watchpeopledie.tv/h/suicide/post/49322/man-recorded-hanging-himself-in-facebook...

sanctioned-suicide.net

People there have used a variety of materials and places to hang themselves. Unless your anchor point or the rope breaks, or someone comes to save you, death is certain.