Venting Psychologist are fucking hypocrites

[Cyagangy]

I want to preface this by saying that not all psychologist are bad and if you can seek help if you genuinely want it. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. With that being said I recently had to get my physical done for my last year of highschool and JROTC. Went to the doctor with my mom and I had gotten some high depression or suicidal score which confused me since I thought most people feel the same way (apparently via others experience your supposed to lie on them) so I was thinking to myself that if I fail to catch my bus on time then that means I will more then likely not be sent to a hospital. I probably wouldn't mind that except for the fact that doing a bit more research hospitals are fucking boring. Barely any TVs and you can't use your phones. But I find it hypocritical how if I put myself on a personal death row with a little life timer and everything then I'm in the wrong but when the judicial system does it than its perfectly fine and just. Yeah okay, I feel like people are forced into hospitals just to give the mental health institutes a paycheck because after your stay you are stil
(Accidentally posted and had to break into two parts) expected to pay. You have to pay for help you don't want and or need. Man fuck that noise atleast they can be more open and honest with people. Thing is I'm not depressed or an edge lord or anything like that. I just believe some people should be able to die especially if they feel like there use and time on this planet are up.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

I might be wrong, so take this with a grain of salt but isn't it typically psychiatrists who you find working in hospitals, not psychologists? The issues regarding the medical field and its treatment of the mentally ill would be more of a reflection of (besides the issue with our treatment of the mentally ill in general) the issues with psychiatry and with the underfunding of mental healthcare, at least based on your complaints. Psychiatrists are doctors and are the ones you typically see working in psych wards, alongside psychiatric nurses. While some psychologists work in hospitals, most are either self-employed or work in elementary and secondary schools. Only 4% of psychologists work in a hospital setting. Though, 21% are employed in ambulatory healthcare services, meaning they provide outpatient care.

 

[Cyagangy]

I might be wrong, so take this with a grain of salt but isn't it typically psychiatrists who you find working in hospitals, not psychologists? The issues regarding the medical field and its treatment of the mentally ill would be more of a reflection of (besides the issue with our treatment of the mentally ill in general) the issues with psychiatry and with the underfunding of mental healthcare, at least based on your complaints. Psychiatrists are doctors and are the ones you typically see working in psych wards, alongside psychiatric nurses. While some psychologists work in hospitals, most are either self-employed or work in elementary and secondary schools. Only 4% of psychologists work in a hospital setting. Though, 21% are employed in ambulatory healthcare services, meaning they provide outpatient care.

Your right miss spoke on that one lol

 

[Soupster]

I've had a mixed bag when it comes to psychiatrists and psychiatric nurse practitioners. Some were awesome, seemed to care, listened to my feedback about medications effectiveness and side effects, and seemed genuinely invested in trying to improve my health and life. Others were dismal and only there to collect a paycheck and one seemed to genuinely get off on having power over me and my happiness. Most obviously fall somewhere in between.

Psychologists, mental health counselors, etc. Seemed genuinely well intentioned (let's be fair, in the US they don't make enough to draw people who don't care) but I found most if not all completely ineffective at treating my conditions through therapy.

As to hospitals... man alive I have a lot of thoughts about them but they really only have one or two effective uses. To prevent you from ctb in that moment (the idea being that by the time you're released you'll have calmed enough from the crisis to be safe), and to connect you with referrals and contacts for outpatient treatment. Aside from that they have limited value in my experience. They are boring, intrusive, have shitty food, a terrible atmosphere, and do very little to help you treat your condition aside from perhaps forcing you to start a regimen of medication that your doc/psychiatrist will rarely agree with and continue since none of them can agree on the best course of treatment.

 

[Morte]

I hate psychologists with a passion

 

[ForgottenAgain]

I hate psychologists with a passion

Could you tell us why? If you're comfortable

 

[Lady Laudanum]

Fuck the ivory tower.

In order to get to that point in their education, most psychiatrists are very privileged. I'm tired of being talked down to, by people who came from good homes.

 

[Soupster]

Fuck the ivory tower.

In order to get to that point in their education, most psychiatrists are very privileged. I'm tired of being talked down to, by people who came from good homes.

I won't disagree with you entirely, but it's a logical fallacy to conflate coming from wealth with coming from good homes. Some of my peers growing up cane from wealthy "supportive" homes but had a very toxic upbringing. Conversely, some of the poorest came from very good homes.

Either way, no one has a right to talk down to us. If a professional is, it is time to find a different professional as soon as possible.

 

[Lady Laudanum]

I won't disagree with you entirely, but it's a logical fallacy to conflate coming from wealth with coming from good homes. Some of my peers growing up cane from wealthy "supportive" homes but had a very toxic upbringing. Conversely, some of the poorest came from very good homes.

Either way, no one has a right to talk down to us. If a professional is, it is time to find a different professional as soon as possible.

Frankly I'm having trouble articulating myself because it's late and I'm tired af but can't fall asleep.

What I was trying to say is that a lot of doctors probably came from wealthy families and also grew up in a healthy environment. It's still possible but insanely difficult to get through that much education if you didn't grow up well off and/or if your parents didn't raise you properly.

I'm sure not all psychiatrists are bad but I have yet to encounter one who actually understands my issues. Because basically anyone who has issues like this end up too insane to be able to function, let alone have a good career.

I should probably shut up and try to sleep because I feel like I'm barely coherent lmao.

 

[Soupster]

Rest is good. I get what you're saying.

 

[rocketman99]

There are good shrinks and bad shrinks. The problem really is the model through which they are forced to operate-- DSM etc

 

[Forever Sleep]

Would they actually section you for having suicidal thoughts? I think it's probably a bit different in the UK. The lack of beds and it being public rather than private healthcare. Here, it seems the reverse. People actually begging for help, even to be admitted aren't! I don't think either is particularly good.

Still, I would have thought they'd only take that action if you seemed to be immediately at risk. Perhaps they think you are though if your answers were that suggestive.

I'm the same though. I tend to be honest with these sorts of things and then slowly start to wish I hadn't been.

A bit like aptitude tests for jobs. Like- they tell you to be honest, so you do and fail it! Then, you start to wonder if everyone is either way more normal or better than you or, whether they all just lie. In which case, how are these tests even reliable?!!

 

[Soupster]

Would they actually section you for having suicidal thoughts? I think it's probably a bit different in the UK. The lack of beds and it being public rather than private healthcare. Here, it seems the reverse. People actually begging for help, even to be admitted aren't! I don't think either is particularly good.

Still, I would have thought they'd only take that action if you seemed to be immediately at risk. Perhaps they think you are though if your answers were that suggestive.

I'm the same though. I tend to be honest with these sorts of things and then slowly start to wish I hadn't been.

A bit like aptitude tests for jobs. Like- they tell you to be honest, so you do and fail it! Then, you start to wonder if everyone is either way more normal or better than you or, whether they all just lie. In which case, how are these tests even reliable?!!

I mean, in the US, the screening tests they give are usually just used to refer you to psych services. The only way you are put on a psych hold at a facility, is if in the doc's opinion you are an imminent threat to yourself or others, which let's then stuff you in a box for 72hrs with no real recourse. If they want to keep you longer (without your consent), you get a hearing with a judge... that said the judges are very biased to believe the medical team providing treatment, and as a psych patient your credibility is limited. The easiest way to end a psych stay is 100% cooperation and compliance. Also, don't skip your meals no matter how shitty the food is. Being social, outgoing, and kind with the staff and other patients helps too. Basically fake being 'normal' and it gets hard for them to justify keeping you detained when outpatient services would be just as effective.

As to voluntary treatment... the availability of services is rough, at least in my area. Even after my first psych admit and "urgent" referral to outpatient services it took a month to get screened, another month to get my first appointment with a therapist, and another month after that to get a psychiatrist to even start the process of medication. After awhile the psych team decided my case was too severe for just normal outpatient services and wanted to do an intensive outpatient program, day treatment, or partial hospitalization program. The nearest such services were over 2-3 hours away by car. Even if I could somehow get to them daily, they weren't covered by my insurance (my insurance covered the services, but did not contract with any of the providers of said services so they effectively did not cover them). My outpatient team considered sending me back to inpatient, but there were no beds available for voluntary treatment (not that I wanted to volunteer for it again).

Over time, we found a cocktail of meds that allowed me to function in the real world. I got a job, and with it came new health benefits which *surprised Pikachu face* didn't cover my cocktail of meds. So I got switched to other meds, which didn't work which led to my condition spiraling out of control and losing said job. This has been a pretty consistent cycle in my life. Oh! And because I can be medicated and function in society the government in its infinite wisdom has decided I'm not disabled and must work if I want to survive.

EDIT: Sorry, I don't mean to hijack your thread. Just needed a quick vent.

 

[Cyagangy]

I mean, in the US, the screening tests they give are usually just used to refer you to psych services. The only way you are put on a psych hold at a facility, is if in the doc's opinion you are an imminent threat to yourself or others, which let's then stuff you in a box for 72hrs with no real recourse. If they want to keep you longer (without your consent), you get a hearing with a judge... that said the judges are very biased to believe the medical team providing treatment, and as a psych patient your credibility is limited. The easiest way to end a psych stay is 100% cooperation and compliance. Also, don't skip your meals no matter how shitty the food is. Being social, outgoing, and kind with the staff and other patients helps too. Basically fake being 'normal' and it gets hard for them to justify keeping you detained when outpatient services would be just as effective.

As to voluntary treatment... the availability of services is rough, at least in my area. Even after my first psych admit and "urgent" referral to outpatient services it took a month to get screened, another month to get my first appointment with a therapist, and another month after that to get a psychiatrist to even start the process of medication. After awhile the psych team decided my case was too severe for just normal outpatient services and wanted to do an intensive outpatient program, day treatment, or partial hospitalization program. The nearest such services were over 2-3 hours away by car. Even if I could somehow get to them daily, they weren't covered by my insurance (my insurance covered the services, but did not contract with any of the providers of said services so they effectively did not cover them). My outpatient team considered sending me back to inpatient, but there were no beds available for voluntary treatment (not that I wanted to volunteer for it again).

Over time, we found a cocktail of meds that allowed me to function in the real world. I got a job, and with it came new health benefits which *surprised Pikachu face* didn't cover my cocktail of meds. So I got switched to other meds, which didn't work which led to my condition spiraling out of control and losing said job. This has been a pretty consistent cycle in my life. Oh! And because I can be medicated and function in society the government in its infinite wisdom has decided I'm not disabled and must work if I want to survive.

EDIT: Sorry, I don't mean to hijack your thread. Just needed a quick vent.

Nah, thanks for going into more detail for me

 

[GuessWhosBack]

With that being said I recently had to get my physical done for my last year of highschool and JROTC.

Odd how everyone seems to have missed that OP is likely a minor with many years of brain development left. They should not be on this site. Bite me.

I want to preface this by saying that not all psychologist are bad and if you can seek help if you genuinely want it. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. With that being said I recently had to get my physical done for my last year of highschool and JROTC. Went to the doctor with my mom and I had gotten some high depression or suicidal score which confused me since I thought most people feel the same way (apparently via others experience your supposed to lie on them) so I was thinking to myself that if I fail to catch my bus on time then that means I will more then likely not be sent to a hospital. I probably wouldn't mind that except for the fact that doing a bit more research hospitals are fucking boring. Barely any TVs and you can't use your phones. But I find it hypocritical how if I put myself on a personal death row with a little life timer and everything then I'm in the wrong but when the judicial system does it than its perfectly fine and just. Yeah okay, I feel like people are forced into hospitals just to give the mental health institutes a paycheck because after your stay you are stil
(Accidentally posted and had to break into two parts) expected to pay. You have to pay for help you don't want and or need. Man fuck that noise atleast they can be more open and honest with people. Thing is I'm not depressed or an edge lord or anything like that. I just believe some people should be able to die especially if they feel like there use and time on this planet are up.

You should give recovery a chance. Staying at a ward will suck for a couple of days, but having to live with untreated depression will suck even harder. They're not going to detain you for months for being depressed. They likely won't even detain you at all. Since you're so young I'm assuming you've never tried recovery. You say you're not depressed but then go on to say very typical things people your age say when they're depressed. Your reasoning is not as iron clad as you might think it is, and lacks a lot of nuance. Besides that, you should not be on this site if you're under the age of 18.

 

[Cyagangy]

I said I'm 18 in my post but I'm still a highschooler.

 

[GuessWhosBack]

I said I'm 18 in my post but I'm still a highschooler.

Fair enough. I don't know what you've been through to get to this point, so I can't really judge. But since you're still 18, your brain has not fully formed yet.

Thing is I'm not depressed or an edge lord or anything like that.

Your post history indicates otherwise. Many are capable of massive harm, that doesn't have to make you a bad person.

 

[Cyagangy]

Fair enough. I don't know what you've been through to get to this point, so I can't really judge. But since you're still 18, your brain has not fully formed yet.

Your post history indicates otherwise. Many are capable of massive harm, that doesn't have to make you a bad person.

True to some degree but you don't know the things I have done. None of the are crimes but I constantly manipulated and emotionally abused people I cared about without knowing. Those types of people can do horindous things in the future.
Plus I don't think I'm an edgelord since I don't go out of my way to stir up controversy or see the world as inherently evil. Cruel sometimes yes but I wouldn't consider myself that problematic of an individual.
Plus I don't think I'm an edgelord since I don't go out of my way to stir up controversy or see the world as inherently evil. Cruel sometimes yes but I wouldn't consider myself that problematic of an individual.

 

[RoseGarden]

every mental health professional I have interacted with in any clinical setting has been horrible. I don't know if it's my insurance or something but I'm 100% convinced that mental healthcare is a waste of time and money. the DSM V is written by neuro typical cis folk about how neuro divergent people should think. if you don't believe me, look into the creator of dialectical behavioural therapy and how it was created to treat BPD. she was seen as an leading expert in her field until she revealed she had BPD. then the American psychiatric association (could be getting the org wrong) tried to discredit her.

 

[2messdup]

I hate psychologists with a passion

I've experienced a dreadful psychologist who is attached, unfortunately, to a truly awesome crisis team. She destroyed me in front of her to the point that I would have jumped out of the window if it had been at any height, then when I'd calmed down enough to breathe and walk basically said, now off you pop and drive home, and wait 6 months for your talking therapies. Got to talking therapies after 6 months and they said omfg, off to CMHT you go immediately before you ctb on my books. I hate that psychologist so much. Despite everything that people have done to me in my life, I only hate two people and she is one of them.