positivity is almost a mockery of the suffering.

[want2dienow]

Pretty sure i'm the only one who feels that notion

 

[BluesRunTheGame]

Just be positive bro!

 

[emgrl]

Pretty sure i'm the only one who feels that notion

Nah, definitely not the only one… I feel the same way.

 

[WhatPowerIs]

A lot of pro-lifers come off as patronizing when they address the suicidal with "just be positive bro!" "you have so much to live for bro!" I understand that they're coming from a good place, maybe, at the same time they do not know the full extent of anybody's situations so they spout these platitudes.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

Unfounded positivity is a complete piss take. Fair enough if someone can actually give concrete, tangible suggestions that would lead one to a glimmer of hope, but this is rarely the case.

You can tell people 1000 times that you've done this, you've tried that, and nothing panned out. Yet, they will parrot the same platitudes over and over again, pontificating that it always gets better, just find a hobby bro, just spin an RNG roulette on psychology today and pick a brand new bourgeoisie therapist! Clearly you just aren't being positive enough, if you have the right attitude a magic solution will manifest itself!

It should be obvious to anyone with half a brain that there are issues in this world that don't have a solution, or can't be solved by an individual and require societal intervention. However, that would expend a lot of effort, so instead suffering people just get blamed for not being positive and hopeful enough. This approach neglects a vital prerequisite for adopting this sort of attitude though- one has to have a REASON to be hopeful.

Telling someone over and over to be positive when they have an incurable disease, or they're poor, or all their family is dead, is completely tone deaf. Is the live love laugh cabal actually going to try and give people reasons to feel joy and positivity? No. Usually suffering people are left to struggle alone because we can't keep up the saccharine, fun, carefree mask and flount positivity.

 

[Zegers]

And honestly, what do you want? go to a psychologist or someone to tell you "why are you talking about this? blow your head off"
people try to encourage as best they can/know

 

[Euthanza]

And honestly, what do you want? go to a psychologist or someone to tell you "why are you talking about this? blow your head off"
people try to encourage as best they can/know

I want suicide prevention to stop doing stupid stigma over and over again because it doesn't help rather than a temporary solution to permanent problems.

The best people can do is to change suicide prevention into suicide assistance (and voluntary euthanasia) for people above 18 with protocol that includes people below 18, but that's not yet possible because of suicide prevention.

 

[Zegers]

I want suicide prevention to stop doing stupid stigma over and over again because it doesn't help rather than a temporary solution to permanent problems.

The best people can do is to change suicide prevention into suicide assistance (and voluntary euthanasia) for people above 18 with protocol that includes people below 18, but that's not yet possible because of suicide prevention.

you should undertand life is a business, public or free euthanasia likely wont happen

 

[Euthanza]

you should undertand life is a business, public or free euthanasia likely wont happen

Hence CTB

 

[Forever Sleep]

I do get irritated by it as well as just plain puzzled by positive people- like- are they genetically that way, do they make themselves that way, are they deluded, or, is it all one big act?

Think the trouble is- we can't know what it's like to be another person. So, I think they look at people who are struggling and I suppose positive platitudes are either a way they think might bring hope to the situation, or they probably feel irritated with the person- it's a kind of 'pull yourself together' speech. I don't know whether it's sometimes from a place of kindness- like positive thinking helps them, so they think it might help us. Still, I agree- it often comes across as pretty dismissive of what the person is feeling.

 

[Astral Storm]

It is. Positivity and optimism seems to dismiss the torments others go through on a daily basis. Telling others to just smile and be grateful for what they have. Though most people just want to help and have no other way of helping. Even if it's not intentional, it certainly feels like a mockery of suffering.

 

[Sky66]

This is extremely accurate. When I became sick my brother and some friends got an significant boost in happiness and taking care of their health. They feel bad for me but they look so much happier now then before. It probably isn't mockery but it feels like it.

 

[foreverfalling]

It's a mockery because there is no effort put into understanding the suffering, it is a canned response kind of like asking "how are you?". It only puts the person making the suggestion in a place where the suffering didn't happen, leaving the sufferer in the same if not worse situation of not feeling understood, like talking to a wall.

That's not to say positivity itself is bad, only when there is no empathy involved.

 

[hellispink]

people love lying to themselves. In reality most people are aware of the disgusting world we live in. But humans are selfish so as long as they can get away with their torments, even if it is by lying to themselves, they would do it. I despise people who are "positive vibes" only and can't even acknowledge what's wrong in the world or their own demons/bad feelings.

 

[FuneralCry]

Some people will simply never be able to understand as they are not in similar situation themselves and it's best that these people don't say anything. Many people are in denial as to the cruel reality of this existence, as maybe they don't want to accept the fact that things could possibly get that bad for them as life is unpredictable and uncertain after all. These people lie to themselves that being positive can solve actual problems when in reality being overly positive can be so invalidating, toxic and unhelpful. Many pro life type of people are very delusional.

 

[AliceTheGoon]

It's even worse coming from folks who should know better. I also post on a forum for my degenerative condition which severely reduces quality of life permanently and irreversibly. I know of several posters from there who have come here and ctb'd. Considering the prognosis, suicide is absolutely a rational decision and we lose at least one or two a year to it. But any time someone expresses that desire the whole community jumps down their throat and implores them to 'hang in there', full knowing that it's a life of compounding torture. I find it absolutely deplorable that they would discourage someone from ending their suffering knowing full well what it entails. To me it's worse than some rando who doesn't know shit about squat spouting platitudes.

 

[want2dienow]

one has to have a REASON to be hopeful.

:(
and the both of them never understood the damage dealt. so even with fk
i still stood by the testament:
'hope only brings disappointment'
-amy sorel

Telling someone over and over to be positive when they have an incurable disease, or they're poor, or all their family is dead, is completely tone deaf.

i've got 2 of those

And honestly, what do you want? go to a psychologist or someone to tell you "why are you talking about this? blow your head off"

i've had people tell me this.

I want suicide prevention to stop doing stupid stigma over and over again because it doesn't help rather than a temporary solution to permanent problems.

The best people can do is to change suicide prevention into suicide assistance (and voluntary euthanasia) for people above 18 with protocol that includes people below 18, but that's not yet possible because of suicide prevention.

Yes please.

you should undertand life is a business, public or free euthanasia likely wont happen

My life is not a business, it is not treated as one. Or am I not human, I am someone's property; this is true enough, at least I'm treated like that, so I guess your right.

I have no voice irl, so i only can voice what was true to it in FK or here

It's a mockery because there is no effort put into understanding the suffering, it is a canned response kind of like asking "how are you?". It only puts the person making the suggestion in a place where the suffering didn't happen, leaving the sufferer in the same if not worse situation of not feeling understood, like talking to a wall.

That's not to say positivity itself is bad, only when there is no empathy involved.

it be better as:



because then, it would be honest.

 

[Obliviate]

I hate when people try to implement self care or say "everything is gonna be ok" "just work hard" it frustrates me sooo much that they are so privileged to not see common sense struggles and suffering. It does not matter how hard someone works, or how nice and good a person is, if you have shitty luck than shitty your life will be.

 

[Wayfaerer]

The human mind will always find a way to rationalize it's reason to live, even in appalling circumstances and even if it's irrational. We are just the exceptions to this rule.

 

[Zegers]

I met one of these positivist irl and it was irritating to hear bs like "what you're going through will make you a better person" and stuff like that. Some people have no idea what it's like to wake up and feel drained and empty.

 

[want2dienow]

The human mind will always find a way to rationalize it's reason to live, even in appalling circumstances and even if it's irrational. We are just the exceptions to this rule.

You,, not I.

 

[niki wonoto]

Positivity is basically just a survival instinct. It's part of human's nature (normally), to want to live/survive, no matter what.

What's ironic is that positivity won't be needed, if life is good (inherently).
People need positivity, because life is bad actually. That's why they need something to keep pushing them through all the struggles, problems, pains & sufferings.

 

[want2dienow]

Positivity is basically just a survival instinct.

I know I'm not normal, because this isn't in me.

What's ironic is that positivity won't be needed, if life is good (inherently).
People need positivity, because life is bad actually. That's why they need something to keep pushing them through all the struggles, problems, pains & sufferings.

Its not
i dont need to be paused anymore. Don't mistake positivity for privilege which is what comes with it in such cases; that is Final Kismet included.

 

[Ligottian]

Schopenhauer said the exact same thing.

 

[ForbiddenSiren]

You are not the only one. It pisses me off as well. Especially them "motivational speakers"... Fuck them. It seems like a lot of them dont truly understand. Its all about money.

 

[brokensea]

I think most people that say that have no idea what it's actually like to be depressed. Maybe they were a little down or got through some hard time so they don't see the world outside themselves.

Suicide makes people so uncomfortable it's like looking at a darkness and terrible truth that is too terrifying to look at. They are afraid of death. So afraid the thought of it is to just give empty platitudes and make light of it. They have to escape any feelings or thoughts or people who live in this darkness because they are afraid to look at the world and their own world that may not be as simple and light as they've made it.

Denial, fear, our whole society is this way. You can't even talk about it with people. They know they won't really expend the effort to help you or support you in the way you need. It would require too much of them. They want to go back to their bubble. They don't want to deal with it. They don't want to see it or look at it. They feel you'll drag them down with you. They will just abandon you.