Is suicide with helium and CPAP mask+tube really that failsafe?

[themuph]

Is it as simple as connect the tubing and mask to the helium, release the helium, breath in and die?

Would you have to really stupid to mess it up?

 

[Onomotopoeia]

I do not think it's hard but I would not say it's simple either. Lots of failed attempts out there with minor issues. Need to test it and probably not use helium since you cant get pure helium anymore it's not as reliable.

 

[dreamsofdestruction]

not use helium since you cant get pure helium anymore it's not as reliable.

As far as I know it's only one US vendor of helium meant for balloons who has started to dilute it. You can still easily get pure helium from an industrial supplier. In fact, you probably want to get it there anyway because you can't fit a flow regulator to the party balloon tanks easily.

 

[Soul]

Nitrogen is the preferred inert gas these days, I believe. I don't know if hooking it up to a CPAP is sufficient; doesn't the machine provide air in addition to anything additional it's hooked up to (normally oxygen)?

 

[Sailfisher]

Not a good idea. Those masks are designed to let extra air in and be easy to remove as needed.

 

[dreamsofdestruction]

Nitrogen is the preferred inert gas these days, I believe.

There's no real reason for it though.

 

[Sailfisher]

Nitrogen is the preferred inert gas these days, I believe.

Is it really, though, the way the animals thrash about?

 

[dreamsofdestruction]

Is it really, though, the way the animals thrash about?

Do they?

 

[lastNamePicked]

i researched this method : it poses a few risks especially having the right tightness around your neck when pulling the bag down: there has to be some space left for the carbon dioxide to leave. the resource material is very unprecise in this regard: the right tightness is referenced as 'snugly'. the general consens is to use a bag, not a mask.

 

[dreamsofdestruction]

the general consens is to use a bag, not a mask.

Yeah, haven't really found a satisfying answer as to why though. It seems to be mostly rumors and stories that get passed around with nobody verifying them, just like with the claim earlier in this thread that you can't buy pure helium anymore.

The most obvious advantages of the bag seem to be that it's a lower cost alternative and might be easier to set up.

 

[cornflowerblue]

Yeah, haven't really found a satisfying answer as to why though. It seems to be mostly rumors and stories that get passed around with nobody verifying them, just like with the claim earlier in this thread that you can't buy pure helium anymore.

The most obvious advantages of the bag seem to be that it's a lower cost alternative and might be easier to set up.

Because when you lose consciousness you'll reflexively try to pull the mask off, or it can fall off on its own when you go into seizures. This even happens to people with partial hanging.

 

[dreamsofdestruction]

Because when you lose consciousness you'll reflexively try to pull the mask off, or it can fall off on its own when you go into seizures. This even happens to people with partial hanging.

Ok, that might be an issue with those light masks they use in hospitals. There are others (full face ones) which are actually pretty hard to take off quickly because they're safely secured to your head with straps.

Also I don't see why you couldn't pull off the bag. In fact I've read about people doing that here on the forum during failed attempts.

 

[Soul]

All right, sorry - you mean using just a CPAP mask, not the whole machine. I'm not sure how you'd connect the hose to a tank, but if you know ...

What animals are thrashing around in nitrogen, where?

 

[BaronVon]

This is my preferred method when it is time and i will be using a diving mask instead of the bag, i have to agree with dreamsofdestruction i have never seen any verification with regards using a correct full face diving mask would not work.

 

[Sailfisher]

What animals are thrashing around in nitrogen, where?

 

[lastNamePicked]

the bag has known data of success going for it because it was more commonly used by now. it might be that a mask is just as effective but has not come to the same popularity because it not something you can build yourself that easily. when in doubt, you would go for a bag for the same reasoning you would go for nitrogen instead of helium. yes, you surely can still get 99.x % helium but most vendors do not serve it anymore and i honestly wouldn't want to rely on their promise of purity. nitrogen is not rumored as a death resort as much yet.

Yeah, haven't really found a satisfying answer as to why though. It seems to be mostly rumors and stories that get passed around with nobody verifying them, just like with the claim earlier in this thread that you can't buy pure helium anymore.

The most obvious advantages of the bag seem to be that it's a lower cost alternative and might be easier to set up.

 

[Soul]

... That's helium. Poor pig had some seizures, but that's all.

 

[BaronVon]

With regards the video if that was going to be the pain i suffered in my last 10-30 secs of life i would be more than happy

 

[themuph]

I do not think it's hard but I would not say it's simple either. Lots of failed attempts out there with minor issues. Need to test it and probably not use helium since you cant get pure helium anymore it's not as reliable.

Wait so what's the option then? Are those helium tanks you can get on amazon advertised for balloons not pure helium, and thus not optimal (aka will cause pain?)

So is nitrogen the better option?

Nitrogen is the preferred inert gas these days, I believe. I don't know if hooking it up to a CPAP is sufficient; doesn't the machine provide air in addition to anything additional it's hooked up to (normally oxygen)?

What other sort of mask can be used then? I'd rather use some sort of mask, I dont want my head to be encapsulated by a bag

 

[cornflowerblue]

Ok, that might be an issue with those light masks they use in hospitals. There are others (full face ones) which are actually pretty hard to take off quickly because they're safely secured to your head with straps.

Also I don't see why you couldn't pull off the bag. In fact I've read about people doing that here on the forum during failed attempts.

Because you'd have the bag duct taped on to your head, or would have it secured in a way to prevent that and properly have the gas set up if you read full instructions from the manuals. Many people don't, and just try to DIY based on forum posts.

 

[dreamsofdestruction]

the bag has known data of success going for it because it was more commonly used by now. it might be that a mask is just as effective but has not come to the same popularity because it not something you can build yourself that easily. when in doubt, you would go for a bag

We don't really have that much data though, or do we? It seems that way because all the pro suicide organizations advocate for it and make it look like it's the gold standard, but yeah they're trying to provide something that's cheap and easy. There are stories of bag failures right on this forum.

You read a lot about people dying from running a barbecue inside their house or something, yet today there was a post by someone who presumably did all his homework, even got a co meter, tried it in his car and failed. In the end it might just be an unreliable method, even if you hear people dying from it all the time.

same reasoning you would go for nitrogen instead of helium. yes, you surely can still get 99.x % helium but most vendors do not serve it anymore and i honestly wouldn't want to rely on their promise of purity. nitrogen is not rumored as a death resort as much yet.

Well again, all that happened is that some (was it even more than one?) vendors of helium meant for party balloons have started to dilute their product with oxygen. Probably doesn't even have anything to do with suicide really, it's just cheaper for them and it's enough for the intended purpose. But these are not the tanks anyone here wants you to buy anyway, because you cannot fit a regulator to them since they come with a non standard valve.

Just like you would do with your nitrogen, buy your helium from an industrial supplier and you're good.

Because you'd have the bag duct taped on to your head, or would have it secured in a way to prevent that and properly have the gas set up if you read full instructions from the manuals. Many people don't, and just try to DIY based on forum posts.

Fair enough, I still feel you probably couldn't prevent me from tearing a plastic bag off my head or tearing a hole in it if I want to survive. The exit bags I've seen in videos didn't seem like they would pose much of a challenge to me.

What other sort of mask can be used then? I'd rather use some sort of mask, I dont want my head to be encapsulated by a bag

I made a thread about using scuba masks a while ago: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...-scuba-gear-alternative-to-plastic-bag.16691/

 

[cornflowerblue]

We don't really have that much data though, or do we? It seems that way because all the pro suicide organizations advocate for it and make it look like it's the gold standard, but yeah they're trying to provide something that's cheap and easy. There are stories of bag failures right on this forum.

You read a lot about people dying from running a barbecue inside their house or something, yet today there was a post by someone who presumably did all his homework, even got a co meter, tried it in his car and failed. In the end it might just be an unreliable method, even if you hear people dying from it all the time.



Well again, all that happened is that some (was it even more than one?) vendors of helium meant for party balloons have started to dilute their product with oxygen. Probably doesn't even have anything to do with suicide really, it's just cheaper for them and it's enough for the intended purpose. But these are not the tanks anyone here wants you to buy anyway, because you cannot fit a regulator to them since they come with a non standard valve.

Just like you would do with your nitrogen, buy your helium from an industrial supplier and you're good.


Fair enough, I still feel you probably couldn't prevent me from tearing a plastic bag off my head or tearing a hole in it if I want to survive. The exit bags I've seen in videos didn't seem like they would pose much of a challenge to me.



I made a thread about using scuba masks a while ago: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...-scuba-gear-alternative-to-plastic-bag.16691/

The bags in the videos are specially made. They used to be sold online (by Exit Int, I think) but became illegal.

 

[dreamsofdestruction]

The bags in the videos are specially made. They used to be sold online (by Exit Int, I think) but became illegal.

Right, but they looked kinda flimsy to me, nothing I couldn't easily tear apart.

 

[cornflowerblue]

Right, but they looked kinda flimsy to me, nothing I couldn't easily tear apart.

Lots of durable material looks flimsy. The issue is unconscious movements. Mental fortitude doesn't apply to reflexes. I'd personally only use a method that's 100% failsafe and well-tested, without modifying it. But ultimately we are all making our own choice here and the forum users aren't qualified to give a definitive answer since none of us are euthanasia or assisted suicide doctore

 

[dreamsofdestruction]

The issue is unconscious movements. Mental fortitude doesn't apply to reflexes.

Trying to tear the mask/bag off is actually a reflex?

 

[Onomotopoeia]

Wait so what's the option then? Are those helium tanks you can get on amazon advertised for balloons not pure helium, and thus not optimal (aka will cause pain?)

So is nitrogen the better option?

What other sort of mask can be used then? I'd rather use some sort of mask, I dont want my head to be encapsulated by a bag

I should have rephrased it's not that you cant get pure helium but there are companies now mixing with air so it matters that you do you your research. I believe the end result is that it just will not work but I did not look that up so if interested you probably should.

It also potentially matters because at least in the states you are allowed to advertise a lot of things as pure even when they are not so you also cannot really rely on packaging.

Someone made a comment about things not being validated but thats also not entirely true. When this all started there was big talk of this on similar forums. However I have not really looked at it since those talks began.

A helium shortage is a very real thing. I Read somewhere that we are legit going to run out completely like in the 20-30 year range so regardless of how common it already is it's going to get more common and as I mentioned packaging does not really matter for truth.

 

[dreamsofdestruction]

A helium shortage is a very real thing. I Read somewhere that we are legit going to run out completely like in the 20-30 year range so regardless of how common it already is it's going to get more common and as I mentioned packaging does not really matter for truth.

No, seriously, it's a thing for party balloon supplies at best, because it doesn't really matter there.

If you buy helium for welding or any other application and they say it's of such and such purity, it is. You'll certainly not be allowed to sell a mix of 20% oxygen and 80% helium as pure helium, I really don't get how anyone could seriously claim that.

 

[cornflowerblue]

Trying to tear the mask/bag off is actually a reflex?

Yes, it happens unconsciously. People don't remember doing it.

 

[Soul]

The body wants to live even when we don't.
People manage to use those zip ties to "handcuff" themselves to slow down the reflex, but I'm sure I'd screw that up. If I could immobilize my hands, though, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to wiggle free from the mask, even just the half-face kind, if it were fastened with some duct tape for good measure.

However, still don't get how one would attatch a CPAP mask hose to a nitrogen tank. Can anyone explain, just for posterity? Please and thank you.

Oh and @theumph, you know the inert gas methods don't work as advertised if you have the kind of pulmonary problem that keeps you from fully expelling co2, right?

 

[Onomotopoeia]

No, seriously, it's a thing for party balloon supplies at best, because it doesn't really matter there.

If you buy helium for welding or any other application and they say it's of such and such purity, it is. You'll certainly not be allowed to sell a mix of 20% oxygen and 80% helium as pure helium, I really don't get how anyone could seriously claim that.

That may well be true for welding I simply do not know. So that is likely a safer bet. Also while the general rules on advertising purity are lax they would not typically be so lax for a 20% difference anyway.

my point was simply that rules for advertising purity in general (at least in the US) leave a decent avenue to stretch the truth. I don't really know jack though I just spend an obscene amount of time reading and somethings stick.

Only reason I mentioned it at all is because it does matter especially if your first thought is a balloon tank.