Is 20-25g necessary for SN?

[tree.sn]

@miyabi took multiple little does all around 0.5 grams and was 10 minutes away from death. I always thought 25g was overkill.

 

[Aflame5926]

well its more about guaranteering the result. is it to much? yes but less chance to fail

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

 

[volo]

@miyabi took multiple little does all around 0.5 grams and was 10 minutes away from death. I always thought 25g was overkill.

Did they @miyabi ever look back to see how much they took and in which amount of time? May be interesting to know…

 

[miyabi]

@miyabi took multiple little does all around 0.5 grams and was 10 minutes away from death. I always thought 25g was overkill.

Did they @miyabi ever look back to see how much they took and in which amount of time? May be interesting to know…

I used a measuring spoon. From reviewing my log, I took 6 doses in total spanning the course of an hour. 3 glasses at what I would eyeball to have been 0.5g mixed in small amounts of water (probably 1/5th the glass, which likely helped with avoiding nausea). There were then a further 3 glasses (same amount of water) where I doubled the dose, and it my digital scale would dart between 0g-1g. I mentioned on the log I used a 1ml measuring spoon; I can't remember whether I was eyeballing half the 1ml spoon or whether I began using 2 scoops of the 1ml spoon.

I would say it's more likely the former. So, from a rough estimate I would estimate:
x3 glasses ~0.5g suspended in ~50ml water in each glass
x3 glasses ~1g suspended in ~50ml water in each glass
totalling ~4.5g in ~300ml water.

I am not of slight build, so there's no reason to believe that a smaller dose would have been more effective on me based on weight. It did dawn on me however that I do take tadalafil regularly, which is contraindicated with nitrite consumption because of the enhancement of blood pressure drops and oxygen deprivation. I couldn't find anything on SaSu going in depth on this, and I don't know whether it still would have had the same effect had I not been on it. My blood pressure is high even whilst taking tadalafil so I'm not sure whether this would have overruled its effects as my baseline is higher than average, if the mechanism of tadalafil enhancing nitrite lethality is purely based on the added vasodilation and blood pressure lowering effect. It could be that the combination of the two is exponential/multiplicative in its effects, as opposed to merely additive. It is therefore possible that it enhanced my ability to lose consciousness from a lack of blood pressure at a sooner rate than I would have without dosing it - I wouldn't have been able to survive 3 hours of oxygen deprivation so I expect that came later after unconsciousness as the SN was further absorbed. But, I'm not a doctor so it's just a hypothetical based on my own thoughts.

Google AI says SN density is around 1.2-1.3g per ml, but using the 1ml measuring spoon and the weight bouncing between 0 and 1 g (doesn't register below 1) makes me a bit unsure of that.

The SN was stated to be 99%+ purity, had been previously opened and exposed to oxygen years ago and was yellow in colour. I would expect it must have degraded a bit, but it's still incredibly lethal. Per the stickied thread, I would consider any amount of intentional SN exposure to be a legitimate suicide attempt and is not at all suitable for a suicidal gesture. I would liken it to shooting yourself in the head - not something you do unless you expect to die (though atleast you aren't guaranteed brain damage...)

There is a clear benefit in the total avoidance of nausea (despite no antiemetic usage) and lack of impending death feeling, but there is a risk in lengthening the time it takes to die and risking being found. I didn't receive medical treatment for 3 hours after losing consciousness, and I'm still here, although barely. In the same vein though whilst taking even trace amounts of SN should only be done by those expecting to die, you should also acknowledge the possibility of survival which is why I took precautions in removing the SN from where I was to avoid it being discovered as the cause. If I died, that was an outcome I found acceptable. If I survived, I also would deem that acceptable because I would avoid disclosing the cause and know with certainty that my SN was real. I would also be familiar with the feeling of it, which granted me reassurance for the future as it wasn't as bad as I feared at that dosage.

 

[ZeroRedz02]

I used a measuring spoon. From reviewing my log, I took 6 doses in total spanning the course of an hour. 3 glasses at what I would eyeball to have been 0.5g mixed in small amounts of water (probably 1/5th the glass, which likely helped with avoiding nausea). There were then a further 3 glasses (same amount of water) where I doubled the dose, and it my digital scale would dart between 0g-1g. I mentioned on the log I used a 1ml measuring spoon; I can't remember whether I was eyeballing half the 1ml spoon or whether I began using 2 scoops of the 1ml spoon.

I would say it's more likely the former. So, from a rough estimate I would estimate:
x3 glasses ~0.5g suspended in ~50ml water in each glass
x3 glasses ~1g suspended in ~50ml water in each glass
totalling ~4.5g in ~300ml water.

I am not of slight build, so there's no reason to believe that a smaller dose would have been more effective on me based on weight. It did dawn on me however that I do take tadalafil regularly, which is contraindicated with nitrite consumption because of the enhancement of blood pressure drops and oxygen deprivation. I couldn't find anything on SaSu going in depth on this, and I don't know whether it still would have had the same effect had I not been on it. My blood pressure is high even whilst taking tadalafil so I'm not sure whether this would have overruled its effects as my baseline is higher than average, if the mechanism of tadalafil enhancing nitrite lethality is purely based on the added vasodilation and blood pressure lowering effect. It could be that the combination of the two is exponential/multiplicative in its effects, as opposed to merely additive. It is therefore possible that it enhanced my ability to lose consciousness from a lack of blood pressure at a sooner rate than I would have without dosing it - I wouldn't have been able to survive 3 hours of oxygen deprivation so I expect that came later after unconsciousness as the SN was further absorbed. But, I'm not a doctor so it's just a hypothetical based on my own thoughts.

Google AI says SN density is around 1.2-1.3g per ml, but using the 1ml measuring spoon and the weight bouncing between 0 and 1 g (doesn't register below 1) makes me a bit unsure of that.

The SN was stated to be 99%+ purity, had been previously opened and exposed to oxygen years ago and was yellow in colour. I would expect it must have degraded a bit, but it's still incredibly lethal. Per the stickied thread, I would consider any amount of intentional SN exposure to be a legitimate suicide attempt and is not at all suitable for a suicidal gesture. I would liken it to shooting yourself in the head - not something you do unless you expect to die (though atleast you aren't guaranteed brain damage...)

There is a clear benefit in the total avoidance of nausea (despite no antiemetic usage) and lack of impending death feeling, but there is a risk in lengthening the time it takes to die and risking being found. I didn't receive medical treatment for 3 hours after losing consciousness, and I'm still here, although barely. In the same vein though whilst taking even trace amounts of SN should only be done by those expecting to die, you should also acknowledge the possibility of survival which is why I took precautions in removing the SN from where I was to avoid it being discovered as the cause. If I died, that was an outcome I found acceptable. If I survived, I also would deem that acceptable because I would avoid disclosing the cause and know with certainty that my SN was real. I would also be familiar with the feeling of it, which granted me reassurance for the future as it wasn't as bad as I feared at that dosage.

But you couldn't measure your weight? So it would be more clear.

@miyabi took multiple little does all around 0.5 grams and was 10 minutes away from death. I always thought 25g was overkill.

I would take a 10-12 of two cups

 

[miyabi]

But you couldn't measure your weight? So it would be more clear.

I would take a 10-12 of two cups

My scale doesn't measure below 1g.

I hope you never go through with it, but out of all the options - it seems to be the least painful and lowest risk of permanent damage on failure. No matter what anyone could tell me there's nobody that could convince me I'm not a broken human that shouldn't be on this planet, I at least appreciate the contributors on this forum that granted me the ability to minimise suffering when I check out.

If you go choose to go down that route, I can only hope it is as painless for you as it was for me.

 

[ZeroRedz02]

My scale doesn't measure below 1g.

I hope you never go through with it, but out of all the options - it seems to be the least painful and lowest risk of permanent damage on failure. No matter what anyone could tell me there's nobody that could convince me I'm not a broken human that shouldn't be on this planet, I at least appreciate the contributors on this forum that granted me the ability to minimise suffering when I check out.

If you go choose to go down that route, I can only hope it is as painless for you as it was for me.

I was meaning measuring your body weight i did and i am 75 kg or more. And i choose this method right for that, i don't even wanted to birth just for feeling pain for all my life and i know this applies to everyone, even to my mom who was so lucky to die from an heart attack before even dying from the cancer itself.

 

[thekop85]

I used a measuring spoon. From reviewing my log, I took 6 doses in total spanning the course of an hour. 3 glasses at what I would eyeball to have been 0.5g mixed in small amounts of water (probably 1/5th the glass, which likely helped with avoiding nausea). There were then a further 3 glasses (same amount of water) where I doubled the dose, and it my digital scale would dart between 0g-1g. I mentioned on the log I used a 1ml measuring spoon; I can't remember whether I was eyeballing half the 1ml spoon or whether I began using 2 scoops of the 1ml spoon.

I would say it's more likely the former. So, from a rough estimate I would estimate:
x3 glasses ~0.5g suspended in ~50ml water in each glass
x3 glasses ~1g suspended in ~50ml water in each glass
totalling ~4.5g in ~300ml water.

I am not of slight build, so there's no reason to believe that a smaller dose would have been more effective on me based on weight. It did dawn on me however that I do take tadalafil regularly, which is contraindicated with nitrite consumption because of the enhancement of blood pressure drops and oxygen deprivation. I couldn't find anything on SaSu going in depth on this, and I don't know whether it still would have had the same effect had I not been on it. My blood pressure is high even whilst taking tadalafil so I'm not sure whether this would have overruled its effects as my baseline is higher than average, if the mechanism of tadalafil enhancing nitrite lethality is purely based on the added vasodilation and blood pressure lowering effect. It could be that the combination of the two is exponential/multiplicative in its effects, as opposed to merely additive. It is therefore possible that it enhanced my ability to lose consciousness from a lack of blood pressure at a sooner rate than I would have without dosing it - I wouldn't have been able to survive 3 hours of oxygen deprivation so I expect that came later after unconsciousness as the SN was further absorbed. But, I'm not a doctor so it's just a hypothetical based on my own thoughts.

Google AI says SN density is around 1.2-1.3g per ml, but using the 1ml measuring spoon and the weight bouncing between 0 and 1 g (doesn't register below 1) makes me a bit unsure of that.

The SN was stated to be 99%+ purity, had been previously opened and exposed to oxygen years ago and was yellow in colour. I would expect it must have degraded a bit, but it's still incredibly lethal. Per the stickied thread, I would consider any amount of intentional SN exposure to be a legitimate suicide attempt and is not at all suitable for a suicidal gesture. I would liken it to shooting yourself in the head - not something you do unless you expect to die (though atleast you aren't guaranteed brain damage...)

There is a clear benefit in the total avoidance of nausea (despite no antiemetic usage) and lack of impending death feeling, but there is a risk in lengthening the time it takes to die and risking being found. I didn't receive medical treatment for 3 hours after losing consciousness, and I'm still here, although barely. In the same vein though whilst taking even trace amounts of SN should only be done by those expecting to die, you should also acknowledge the possibility of survival which is why I took precautions in removing the SN from where I was to avoid it being discovered as the cause. If I died, that was an outcome I found acceptable. If I survived, I also would deem that acceptable because I would avoid disclosing the cause and know with certainty that my SN was real. I would also be familiar with the feeling of it, which granted me reassurance for the future as it wasn't as bad as I feared at that dosage.

Your posts have been a huge help to me as I'm considering taking SN CTB. Thank you.
I have one question: You haven't used any other drugs besides SN, right?
I read through your entire thread, but all I found was a description of taking small doses of SN in divided doses multiple times for testing purposes; I couldn't find any mention of other drugs.

 

[miyabi]

Your posts have been a huge help to me as I'm considering taking SN CTB. Thank you.
I have one question: You haven't used any other drugs besides SN, right?
I read through your entire thread, but all I found was a description of taking small doses of SN in divided doses multiple times for testing purposes; I couldn't find any mention of other drugs.

No benzos, and considering how neurotic I am the anxiety/fear and elevated heartrate wasn't bad enough for me to bother getting them if I re attempted. Likewise with the nausea (nonexistent) as I had meto but didn't use it. Of course, this would likely be different using 5x the dosage I used.

I mentioned in another thread that I realised that I am on a tadalafil prescription which is contraindicated with nitrites like SN because it enhances the blood pressure lowering effect. This is why, in my opinion, I likely lost consciousness yet survived the 3 hours it took for medical treatment. I guess the tadalafil made me pass out at a higher SPO2, which theoretically could also be the reason my symptoms weren't as bad.

For example, if enough SN to trigger unconsciousness was 75% SPO2 and intense symptoms began at 80%, perhaps the tadalafil caused the threshold for loss of consciousness to move to 80% SPO2 because it enhances the blood pressure lowering effect (therefore causing me to lose consciousness at the point symptoms would intensify). Regardless, it's obvious I wasn't completely oxygen deprived for the 3 hours, although it did continue to deteriorate as the SN absorbed as I would have died if I ensured I wasn't found.

So - no ancillaries that were recommended by the PPH or SN guide. No illegal drugs, no alcohol. Fasted for 7-8 hours. Nothing that would enhance the effect of SN like low bodyweight, other than tadalafil. I would say if I had easy access to benzos then I wouldn't mind taking them, I don't see any harm. Likewise with meto in the future especially as it's easy to obtain and increases effectiveness by reducing the chance of vomiting, it just wasn't needed in my attempt. Also, in theory a strong vasodilator like tadalafil or any of the others would hasten unconsciousness. Not sure why it's never been mentioned before.

 

[Forveleth]

I always thought 25g was overkill.

It is overkill and that is the entire idea. Not only does this mean that you are far more likely to die, but also onset of symptoms will be swift with unconsciousness happening in 15 to 20 minutes and death happening in less than an hour. While the PPH states that people have died on as little as 2 grams, I am guessing their time to death was probably very long, and they were most likely experiencing symptoms for quite a substantial part of that.

The amounts recommended in the PPH minimizes the chance of vomiting at all out and also minimizing the amount of time until L.O.C. and death.

 

[a-lien]

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