Discussion Impossible to CTB?

[HereWeGo!]

I've read there are scientists (and also people on this forum) believing some people aren't able at all to CTB. This depending of the congenital genetics. They believe you need to have genetic components which decides if you are able to CTB or not. That fact will affect your SI and there is not much you can do about it.
So what do you think? Do you think your SI is decided from birth or not?
Feel free to discuss and share your opinions!

 

[bankai]

My survival instinct is pretty overwhelming. I did try partial hanging and I just couldn't go through with it. I don't think it's decided from birth, but I think each person's personality will determine it. I've always wanted to be healthy. And I've had a healthy lifestyle. Lot of salads. Going to the gym. All the minerals and supplements. Sauna, red light therapy, cold plunge, you name it. The idea of damaging my body is what puts me off taking the bus. I hope you understand. When the nose went around my neck and completely constricted it, I was just overwhelmed with survival instinct cause my body that I took care of for so long was going to be destroyed.

Somehow, of course, nothing brings me joy, which is why I'm here. I still do these things on principle for my health. Anyway. Yeah. I think circumstances get bad enough it'll eventually convince me to do it.

But if my health fails, I'm sure I will take the bus. Life can beat up anyone bad enough that they'd want to take their own life. So circumstances will eventually determine.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

this is all my opinion.

to defeat si i mean for example if you have Nembutal to be able to drink nembutal and not call the E.R hospital to go through with it all the way.

i think if they want to most people can defeat si. but it's very very difficult and takes a long time

a lot of people have . 1.7 million in the U.S. alone attempt suicide per year so they were able to . 45,000 suicides per year in the U.S.

Suicidal Thoughts and Suicide Attempts – Suicide Prevention Resource Center

sprc.org

if that doesn't tell you how bad life is i don't know what else could. in the most technologically advanced civilization 1.7 milion people per year attempt suicide. how bad was life without houses, air conditioning, showers , running water , washing machines, cars, super markets, uber, amazon delivery, etc. . there were no shoes, clothes products 100,000 years ago just some made a few stone tools like stone axes hence it was called the stone age.

and this is with all the massive pro-life propaganda we see constantly everywhere

also seen a lot of people on watchpeople die do it without hesitation

Even if there is a biological si with regards to the fear of suicide / Death it can be overidden as the numbers above show.

si is an inborn genetic biological fear or panic response and can be triggered by things a person fears like a predator( i think that's in the genes) fear of heights ( also in genes) other fear can be learned

people don't know how the brain works. every experience creates new patterns in the neural networks . you can think at least 70,000 thoughts per day. if 50,000 of those are related to life is good or i want to live to eat or i want to live to watch a youtube video 1000's of other things then that's going to add to si imo

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[FuneralCry]

It feels like that way for me as I'm so cruelly denied the option to never suffer ever again, I see so much cruelty in how the suffering and torture of existing is seen as to force and prolong no matter what with no acceptance towards the right to die, I'd be long gone if I had the option to just peacefully cease existing, all I wish for is to fall into an eternal sleep.

 

[Vivir_O_No]

I've read there are scientists (and also people on this forum) believing some people aren't able at all to CTB. This depending of the congenital genetics. They believe you need to have genetic components which decides if you are able to CTB or not. That fact will affect your SI and there is not much you can do about it.
So what do you think? Do you think your SI is decided from birth or not?
Feel free to discuss and share your opinions!

In my case, I am trying to psychologically "heal" myself, or cleaning out all the psychological garbage in my mind (traumas and the like), as I like to call it in order to reduce suffering at the time of CTB. I have been experimenting witj singing therapy and I have noticed that crying greatly reduces SI. I am also going to start meditating more rigorously, as calmness helps more with relaxation and detachment.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I feel like the term 'impossible' is so definitive. We know we definitely can't do certain things. We don't have the biology to fly without help.

Suicide is more complicated though because there are so many methods. Some of which, I think the majority of people would feel able to do. The Sarco Pod for instance- if we knew we just had to press 'confirm' or whatever, I think we'd nearly all be able to do that.

I think a big stumbling block is the prospect of possible failure too. If that wasn't there, I think more people would feel confident to try.

I guess we may all vary in how difficult or easy we find it to do. That's the weirdest part too. I'm not sure we'll even know how strong our individual SI is until we attempt.

But sure, I suspect multiple factors make the action either more easy or more difficult for a person. I imagine they can be as much learned as inherited.

We're all grapling with our own psychological hurdles: Fear of making and possibly failing an attempt, guilt about hurting loved ones, fears about possible judgement and an afterlife perhaps, maybe even attachments to elements of life. I suspect on top of SI, we have a whole bunch of other stuff to get over. Which of those things causes us the most concern varies from person to person.

 

[SignatureRequired]

I know there are those who would never do it, despite how much they want to, but I don't know if that means they are unable to from a genetic point of view. But for me, I have to believe it is something anyone can do.

 

[Intoxicated]

Do you think your SI is decided from birth or not?

I'm attached to SI (International System of Units), because I was raised in a country where this system is commonly used. Nearly nobody makes measurements in feet, miles, gallons, pounds, °F, etc there.

Speaking seriously, I think that explaining CTB failures through influence of some "survival instinct" is a pseudo-scientific BS. Avoidance of present or potential future discomfort is actually a way more generic thing than just fighting for life.

If you're a heavy smoker and you try to quit smoking right away, you'll likely face with severe withdrawal symptoms that with high probability will make you relapse due to unbearable ongoing discomfort. I guess, nobody explains such relapses as "my survival instinct kicked in, so I had to consume a yet another portion of a poisonous substance to stop my suffering". It would be ridiculous to associate the urge to smoke with the desire of the organism to fight for life. However should the same psychological mechanism, based on strong aversion towards discomfort, determine the failure of a CTB attempt, survival instinct or fight for life will be immediately blamed by most people here. This is probably because "survival instinct" sounds way more dramatic and therefore more appealing than "discomfort avoidance".

Sometimes people avoid some social interactions due to fear of rejection. Although rejection commonly doesn't pose any somewhat significant physical risk to health or life (similarly to the aforementioned withdrawal symptoms in smokers), the fear of it can be very strong, making the related social contacts remarkably challenging.

And the most interesting example of avoiding unpleasant experiences is the desire to commit suicide. The concept of survival instinct plain sucks at explaining how depression and suicidal thoughts are possible in a biological machine which is programmed to survive by any means. It just arbitrarily counts some traits of human psyche that are advantageous to maintaining the life as self-preservation instincts and ignores everything else that doesn't fit in it well. For me this approach looks no more scientific than explaining CTB failures through divine intervention which happens only when the god himself decides to interfere.

A broader view of how discomfort avoidance can influence our decisions may offer way more productive perspectives at finding the means of coping with the related psychological complications than constantly making emphasis on how "your organism makes anything to survive", which is basically nothing but a sort of defeatist whining.

In particular, the common remedy for fear of rejection is developing acceptance of possible rejection. Acceptance of the risks associated with a CTB attempt is likely one of the key factors determining the odds of chickening out during it. You may be 100% sure that you want to die, but if you haven't achieved some internal agreement with the taken risks, this can easily make you reconsider the need in going through a particular CTB procedure at the last moment.

 

[onmywaytothebusstop]

I feel like genetics has absolutely nothing to do with it

You're either hopeless enough to act and you can do it or you still have some hope and can't do it.