Venting I'm terrified about any possible after life (scientifically speaking)

[BrokenByTheSystem]

I'm not even afraid of the process of dying itself, I'm just scared about what happens next.

I was always a "scientific" person, so I hardly believe in things that can't be proved with logic or scientific methods.

But even using logic you might find some possibility of keep existing after dying.

This is my current theory that I really hope it's wrong, but logically speaking, it's not impossible to happen:

I was thinking about that for a good time, what are we? What are our consciousness, thoughts and memories? If not just particles interacting with each other inside the universe in a given pattern. And that's the key word: pattern. What if this same pattern that leads to what we call "life" happens again? What if the same pattern of particles that lead to our own consciousness, memories, feelings and thoughts happens again in the future? Maybe even from billions of billions of years from here, there's literally nothing preventing this from happening again, of course the odds are astronomically low, but not zero. Everybody knows that if you throw a dice the same number will repeat eventually, chances are 1 out of 6. Why the same isn't valid for the events on the universe? Even if it means 1 out of billions of billions of billions..., given the universe will exist maybe forever (?), there's nothing preventing past events of not happen again in the very same way.

There's one theory that talks about that, the eternal return theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_return), even tho I'm fine with that, because even if things keep repeating for the eternity, I'd not know about the past, even if I'm living again for the 100th time, so it's just how nature is.

But what scares me the most is, what if in the future, humanity, or maybe not even humanity, maybe just some sort of supreme absolute intelligent life is able to map the past and bring back patterns that happened once to the present? Some sort of "resurrection", and recreate that in a controlled environment? Which means, you could be brought to life dozens of times without knowing it.

Then it gets worse, we have this feeling that death will be just like an eternal sleep. I don't entirely agree with that, once dead you don't have perception of time anymore, while sleeping, we still know after waking up that a few hours has passed, our perception of time exists even on sleep. But in death, nothing exists for you anymore, there's no perception of time. And this is a big problem, because if what I said earlier is true, you'd be brought back to life after billions of years with a feeling that just a split of a second has passed, a feeling of continuous existence, after all, your brain doesn't exist anymore, it doesn't track time anymore, but once you get back your brain is back from where it stopped: your past death. So this feels even more terrifying than being alive.

What if there is never an ending? Scientifically speaking, it's not impossible. This has even been shown in some fictional scientific stories, what if human consciousness can be brought back to life? What if a person whole neural network can be mapped and transferred to a computer? What if we're not in control of our own very existence?

Death doesn't seems like an exit anymore. I'm not considering current technology or maybe not even human technology, but if the universe is not more than a bunch of particles interacting with each other leading to certain events, then what is preventing those particles of being manipulated in the future for some sort of technology we don't even can think about? What if some sort of intelligence are able to "reverse engineering" the universe and manipulating everything bringing any existence back to life?

 

[Munder]

Maybe if we come back we wont be suicidal wont want to die, even if we face pain or struggle we could be positive and keep pushing forward

 

[Aknu132]

I'm not even afraid of the process of dying itself, I'm just scared about what happens next.

I was always a "scientific" person, so I hardly believe in things that can't be proved with logic or scientific methods.

But even using logic you might find some possibility of keep existing after dying.

This is my current theory that I really hope it's wrong, but logically speaking, it's not impossible to happen:

I was thinking about that for a good time, what are we? What are our consciousness, thoughts and memories? If not just particles interacting with each other inside the universe in a given pattern. And that's the key word: pattern. What if this same pattern that leads to what we call "life" happens again? What if the same pattern of particles that lead to our own consciousness, memories, feelings and thoughts happens again in the future? Maybe even from billions of billions of years from here, there's literally nothing preventing this from happening again, of course the odds are astronomically low, but not zero. Everybody knows that if you throw a dice the same number will repeat eventually, chances are 1 out of 6. Why the same isn't valid for the events on the universe? Even if it means 1 out of billions of billions of billions..., given the universe will exist maybe forever (?), there's nothing preventing past events of not happen again in the very same way.

There's one theory that talks about that, the eternal return theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_return), even tho I'm fine with that, because even if things keep repeating for the eternity, I'd not know about the past, even if I'm living again for the 100th time, so it's just how nature is.

But what scares me the most is, what if in the future, humanity, or maybe not even humanity, maybe just some sort of supreme absolute intelligent life is able to map the past and bring back patterns that happened once to the present? Some sort of "resurrection", and recreate that in a controlled environment? Which means, you could be brought to life dozens of times without knowing it.

Then it gets worse, we have this feeling that death will be just like an eternal sleep. I don't entirely agree with that, once dead you don't have perception of time anymore, while sleeping, we still know after waking up that a few hours has passed, our perception of time exists even on sleep. But in death, nothing exists for you anymore, there's no perception of time. And this is a big problem, because if what I said earlier is true, you'd be brought back to life after billions of years with a feeling that just a split of a second has passed, a feeling of continuous existence, after all, your brain doesn't exist anymore, it doesn't track time anymore, but once you get back your brain is back from where it stopped: your past death. So this feels even more terrifying than being alive.

What if there is never an ending? Scientifically speaking, it's not impossible. This has even been shown in some fictional scientific stories, what if human consciousness can be brought back to life? What if a person whole neural network can be mapped and transferred to a computer? What if we're not in control of our own very existence?

Death doesn't seems like an exit anymore. I'm not considering current technology or maybe not even human technology, but if the universe is not more than a bunch of particles interacting with each other leading to certain events, then what is preventing those particles of being manipulated in the future for some sort of technology we don't even can think about? What if some sort of intelligence are able to "reverse engineering" the universe and manipulating everything bringing any existence back to life?

EN-US:
The most widely accepted theory about the end of the universe is the "Big Freeze," and if it's correct, the universe will no longer support life at some point, but that's in 100 trillion years, haha, just wait. That's why I really hope the Big Rip is real. If it's real, the universe won't support any kind of life in 22 billion years. The crazy thing is that in the Big Freeze, if there's an extremely advanced civilization, they'll probably be able to live using energy from black holes, and that will be more and more torture for living beings, unless that civilization manages to solve all the diseases that affect them and stop doing evil. I don't think we humans will reach that level of advancement; we'll probably be extinct before then.

PT-BR:
A teoria mais aceita do fim do universo é o "Big Freeze" e cê estiver correta o universo não vai abrigar mais vida em algum momento só que é daqui 100 trilhões da anos kkkkk, só esperar. Por isso que eu espero muito que o Big Rip seja real, se ele for real o universo não vai mais abrigar nenhum tipo de vida daqui 22 bilhões de anos, o foda é que no big freeze cê tiver uma civilização extremamente avançada eles vão provavelmente conseguir viver usando energia dos buracos negros ai vai ser mais e mais tortura pros seres vivos, a não ser que essa civilização consiga resolver todas doenças que os afetam e parem de fazer maldades. Eu acho que nós humanos não chega nesse nivel de avançado não, provavelmente vamos ser extintos antes.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

EN-US:
The most widely accepted theory about the end of the universe is the "Big Freeze," and if it's correct, the universe will no longer support life at some point, but that's in 100 trillion years, haha, just wait. That's why I really hope the Big Rip is real. If it's real, the universe won't support any kind of life in 22 billion years. The crazy thing is that in the Big Freeze, if there's an extremely advanced civilization, they'll probably be able to live using energy from black holes, and that will be more and more torture for living beings, unless that civilization manages to solve all the diseases that affect them and stop doing evil. I don't think we humans will reach that level of advancement; we'll probably be extinct before then.

PT-BR:
A teoria mais aceita do fim do universo é o "Big Freeze" e cê estiver correta o universo não vai abrigar mais vida em algum momento só que é daqui 100 trilhões da anos kkkkk, só esperar. Por isso que eu espero muito que o Big Rip seja real, se ele for real o universo não vai mais abrigar nenhum tipo de vida daqui 22 bilhões de anos, o foda é que no big freeze cê tiver uma civilização extremamente avançada eles vão provavelmente conseguir viver usando energia dos buracos negros ai vai ser mais e mais tortura pros seres vivos, a não ser que essa civilização consiga resolver todas doenças que os afetam e parem de fazer maldades. Eu acho que nós humanos não chega nesse nivel de avançado não, provavelmente vamos ser extintos antes.

i agree . every human , life, civilizations are very temporary . even the earth ,sun, stars the universe , everything is decaying and dying . you notice everything breaks down , ends, dies? every human and animal died and there is no evidence anything lived again ever, no evidence for any afterlife reincarnation time travel simulation or a 100 other such theories, ZERO evidence. the law of entropy ensures every system goes to disorder.

the heat Death of the universe is inevitable. the universe has ALWAyS expanded and will continue to do so. i believe in the big rip too also.

i'm glad once this horror : this brain that can cause me unending CONSTANT unbearable pain will be destroyed and never exist again.

Non-existence forever is the only guarantee of never suffering so badly it's a trillion times worse than one can imagine.

Eternal non-existence is the ONLY safety from the extreme suffering of life and this abomination called living

how many times have we seen something be destroyed and then magically reappear again reconstructed perfectly? never. but we see things become disordered, we see a hot cup of soup cool in a cold room every time , a house becomes cluttered dirty if not cleaned regularly, all machines and animals humans break down and die .

you have to constantly work to fix breaking things, and to keep everything clean and somewhat ordered working against problems every day which causes stress and suffering . just to exist to risk extreme torture.

everything decays and dies , even the Earth, sun , universe black holes and protons . a human also which is a small animal

to believe in the opposite of a human ( a small animal ) living forever contradicts every law of the universe , physics, and what we intuitively see. imo humans invented and teach us when we are very young these lies of afterlives and reincarnation , and all kinds of psuedo scientific theories.there is no evidence for any of that zero. millions of experiments confirm the law of entropy. and we can observe it every day . also we all age and become old (disordered suffering more) . I 'm sure i will permanently cease to exist right after my brain dies. . and i'm glad i will permanently cease to exist because then i can't suffer constant unbearable pain ever

what there is a too high probability of happening is extreme pain or suffering , because so many horrible things can happen. and you have to sum the individual probabilities. so this is why life , existing and living are bad. so permanent non-existence is good because it's the only opposite of life

 

[Aknu132]

i agree . every human , life, civilizations are very temporary . even the earth ,sun, stars the universe , everything is decaying and dying . you notice everything breaks down , ends, dies? the law of entropy ensures every system goes to disorder.

i'm glad once this horror : this brain that can cause me unending CONSTANT unbearable pain will be destroyed and never exist again.

Non-existence forever is the only guarantee of never suffering so badly it's a trillion times worse than one can imagine.

Eternal non-existence is the ONLY safety from the extreme suffering of life and this abomination called living

how many times have we seen something be destroyed and then magically reappear again reconstructed ? never. but we see things become disordered, we see a hot cup of soup cool in a cold room every time , a house becomes cluttred dirty if not cleaned regularly .

everything decays and dies , even the Earth, sun , universe black holes and protons . a human also which is a small animal

to believe in the opposite of a human ( a small animal ) living forever contradicts every law of the universe , physics, and what we intuitively see. imo humans invented and teach us when we are very young these lies of afterlives and reincarnation , and all kinds of psuedo scientific theories.there is no evidence for any of that zero. millions of experiments confirm the law of entropy. and we can observe it every day . also we all age .

Yes, and this make me so happy. Knowing that the suffering of life will end one day and that the evil human will dissapear. But i hope so much that it will be the big rip to end as fast as possible and to be impossible that no life on the universe can keep going doing the bad things that life organisms do.

 

[itsgone2]

Maybe if we come back we wont be suicidal wont want to die, even if we face pain or struggle we could be positive and keep pushing forward

I've thought about this. But then why make us commit the act? I'm thinking if we come back then there is some grand design. Why does it required this horrible act? Seems unnecessary. Which seems more likely this is all just nothing and we'd be gone forever.

 

[if_i_make_it]

my rebuttal is… we can sit all day and come up with what ifs and seemingly "logical" theories. but so what? there's far greater chances of horrible things happening to you and your loved ones every single day but if you spent time worrying about that youd go insane. Lots of things can be logical but that does not make them reality.

 

[BrokenByTheSystem]

i agree . every human , life, civilizations are very temporary . even the earth ,sun, stars the universe , everything is decaying and dying . you notice everything breaks down , ends, dies? every human and animal died and there is no evidence anything lived again ever, no evidence for any afterlife reincarnation time travel simulation or a 100 other such theories, ZERO evidence. the law of entropy ensures every system goes to disorder.

the heat Death of the universe is inevitable. the universe has ALWAyS expanded and will continue to do so. i believe in the big rip too also.

i'm glad once this horror : this brain that can cause me unending CONSTANT unbearable pain will be destroyed and never exist again.

Non-existence forever is the only guarantee of never suffering so badly it's a trillion times worse than one can imagine.

Eternal non-existence is the ONLY safety from the extreme suffering of life and this abomination called living

how many times have we seen something be destroyed and then magically reappear again reconstructed perfectly? never. but we see things become disordered, we see a hot cup of soup cool in a cold room every time , a house becomes cluttered dirty if not cleaned regularly, all machines and animals humans break down and die .

you have to constantly work to fix breaking things, and to keep everything clean and somewhat ordered working against problems every day which causes stress and suffering . just to exist to risk extreme torture.

everything decays and dies , even the Earth, sun , universe black holes and protons . a human also which is a small animal

to believe in the opposite of a human ( a small animal ) living forever contradicts every law of the universe , physics, and what we intuitively see. imo humans invented and teach us when we are very young these lies of afterlives and reincarnation , and all kinds of psuedo scientific theories.there is no evidence for any of that zero. millions of experiments confirm the law of entropy. and we can observe it every day . also we all age and become old (disordered suffering more) . I 'm sure i will permanently cease to exist right after my brain dies. . and i'm glad i will permanently cease to exist because then i can't suffer constant unbearable pain ever

I know about entropy, I'm not questioning it. But I'm just playing with the possibilities. We have entropy as a law of nature, but even so nature made humans that are machines that bring order to chaos (entropy). So that's my point, what if some unimaginable supreme intelligence comes up in the future before the end of the universe and somehow find a way to bring back the past? Maybe manipulate time? Space? Etc...

To the point that they find a way to map a given mind and bring it back, bring the very same patterns that make a human mind: the flesh, the neurons, the blood, the shape, etc... Every variable mapped. This would give power to bring back old lives in some way. Rebuild a whole mind and just find a way to power it again. And BAM! They brought you back to existence, maybe not to life, but to existence, not your human body, but your mind. And you might be able to feel, remember, think and etc...

my rebuttal is… we can sit all day and come up with what ifs and seemingly "logical" theories. but so what? there's far greater chances of horrible things happening to you and your loved ones every single day but if you spent time worrying about that youd go insane. Lots of things can be logical but that does not make them reality.

It's not a worry about something happening once, it's a worry that goes beyond the end of life itself.

I know, maybe a meteor can hit my house at any time and kills me, doesn't make sense to be worried about that every day, what are the odds? Nearly impossible.

But we know that meteors do fall sometimes here and there, maybe it's rare, but it does happen. What is preventing it from one meteor suddenly hit my house?

My question isn't about if it'll happen, but can it happen?

 

[if_i_make_it]

I know about entropy, I'm not questioning it. But I'm just playing with the possibilities. We have entropy as a law of nature, but even so nature made humans that are machines that bring order to chaos (entropy).

i think thats a flawed assumption about the nature of humanity. We are not different from any other animal that has lived on earth…yes we have our unique adaptations but we are made of and from the same stuff as everything else. tool use, modification of our environment, culture, self awareness, knowledge, etc… all things observed in other species, non primate ones, even. if humans truly do give order to chaos than so has every other living thing that has existed.

 

[Lapdog6795]

TBH there are no answers to what ifs.

All I can say is right now we don't have sufficient proof for the existence of afterlife and that's why I don't believe in it. I'm not saying it's impossible. It's like God. I can't verify the existence of god so I don't believe it.

At the end of the day, we're just life forms. We're limited by the information our senses give us. We can't claim any knowledge with 100% certainty. There could be things that are existing beyond our knowledge. And that's totally alright. This is our limitation.

And we don't have control over our existence anyway. I myself didn't want to be born but I still exist because my parents decided to have a child.

There's a difference between fact and fiction. Believe what you can see/experience/verify and leave the rest.

 

[princess kitty]

I personally believe there's a chance in returning someway after death. I find the idea of eternal nothingness to be paralyzingly scary.
I hope if we do return, everyone can live the life they desire, and live in peace without pain.

 

[SoverignDreamer97]

Sounds like the plot of Higurashi.

 

[Bybye]

I would consider that a clone, not you yourself.
Conciousness doesn't transfer even if you have a replica of a brain, it'd just be someone new. Plus, if someone in the future inherits the same brainfolds, the same neuron arrangement, the same chemistry, everything just identically as you, that wouldn't mean they have your memories and experiences. Like a stack of blank papers waiting to be turned into something, that replica could turn into anything.