TAW122
Emissary of the right to die.
- Aug 30, 2018
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This was a statement I've heard online and sometime IRL (many years ago) that came to mind and in this thread I will be dissecting and counter-arguing against it. The statement is essentially "if everyone did what (the person CTB'ing did), then society would collapse!" and while that statement is essentially pro-forced-life, my response to such a statement would be "well, if that is the case, then the so called 'sick' society is actually the problem and does NOT deserve to be upheld and deserves to fall."
My reasoning is that if a society is great on it's own then people will want to contribute and see it thrive, but if it is a "sick and ill" society, then by default, it should falter and another society should take it's place or the betterment of conditions that make someone to want to live. People who live because they are forced to live and tolerate conditions that are deplorable are not (in my view) considered to be enjoying or wanting to live. While another argument would be that then said society should improve itself to the degree that people want to and they should live to make things better, but that is often not the case. Another issue is the 'victim-blaming' that most forced-lifers want to push onto the person complaining about how life (sentience) sucks and how society itself is shame, how it sucks, but will address that point a bit later on. Back onto the previous point, about a sick society is that maybe if it is built on unequal terms, injustices, and other ills, then it needs serious reforms. However, not everyone and in fact, most people don't really impact society enough to make it bearable or create conditions that would make those who want to die to no longer wish to die, nor is it possible to do so for everyone as there are a near infinite amount of suffering that is unique to each individual that cannot be alleviated and it would not be fair to hold said person hostage to a life they never really consented to in the first place just to uphold and keep a sick society running while also appealing to the taboo of the act of CTB itself!
With regards to 'victim-blaming' that is another issue that is prevalent with those who don't fit into society. The problem is not only that they are rejected by society (especially for those who want to fit in but could not), but also that it presumes that society is a healthy and correct one and that dissenting (unpopular) views are often wrong and vilified. It also further adds additional burden and pressure to an already uneven imbalance of power (society and the individual). It also attributes all problems to the individual while ignoring the societal issues themselves!
A case example (different, but related)
Another example, while different but similar in some ways, is where there are people who stated that they are glad they didn't CTB, but what that fails to address is that those who chose NOT to CTB didn't do so out of genuine enjoyment of life (while there are some who do but this point is NOT about those people, but those who still don't genuinely enjoy life itself!), but out of an unintelligent biological instinct (but rather one's self-preservation or survival instinct) that prevents them from dying or so. Of course, this is not speaking for everyone, but only for those who still genuinely wish they were dead but for obvious reasons, do not reveal their true intentions. It is a farcical for forced-lifers to presume that if one dictates one's own personal life to not be worth living, then they must have speak for everyone, which is far from the truth! In fact, they are only speaking about themselves and themselves solely.
So in conclusion, a society that is sick and decrepit doesn't deserve to be upheld by those who blindingly believe that there is always betterment, for that betterment that may never arrive (in one's lifetime or arrives way too late to be of meaningful impact for said person). Furthermore, the antagonization and shaming of desperate individuals do NOT improve society. Of course, if a society is worth supporting and living for, then it would make sense for said individuals or people to continue to want to contribute and/or support it to see it thrive over the years and more. Instead, most people who continue going about upholding society like slaves to the system are not doing so out of genuine fondness and desire for it, but rather shackled by their innate biological, self-preservation (survival instinct) and those in power or so take advantage of such and keep people trapped. The ones who decide to exit the system end up having to do so quietly while risking everything on the line (through the act of CTB).
My reasoning is that if a society is great on it's own then people will want to contribute and see it thrive, but if it is a "sick and ill" society, then by default, it should falter and another society should take it's place or the betterment of conditions that make someone to want to live. People who live because they are forced to live and tolerate conditions that are deplorable are not (in my view) considered to be enjoying or wanting to live. While another argument would be that then said society should improve itself to the degree that people want to and they should live to make things better, but that is often not the case. Another issue is the 'victim-blaming' that most forced-lifers want to push onto the person complaining about how life (sentience) sucks and how society itself is shame, how it sucks, but will address that point a bit later on. Back onto the previous point, about a sick society is that maybe if it is built on unequal terms, injustices, and other ills, then it needs serious reforms. However, not everyone and in fact, most people don't really impact society enough to make it bearable or create conditions that would make those who want to die to no longer wish to die, nor is it possible to do so for everyone as there are a near infinite amount of suffering that is unique to each individual that cannot be alleviated and it would not be fair to hold said person hostage to a life they never really consented to in the first place just to uphold and keep a sick society running while also appealing to the taboo of the act of CTB itself!
With regards to 'victim-blaming' that is another issue that is prevalent with those who don't fit into society. The problem is not only that they are rejected by society (especially for those who want to fit in but could not), but also that it presumes that society is a healthy and correct one and that dissenting (unpopular) views are often wrong and vilified. It also further adds additional burden and pressure to an already uneven imbalance of power (society and the individual). It also attributes all problems to the individual while ignoring the societal issues themselves!
A case example (different, but related)
Another example, while different but similar in some ways, is where there are people who stated that they are glad they didn't CTB, but what that fails to address is that those who chose NOT to CTB didn't do so out of genuine enjoyment of life (while there are some who do but this point is NOT about those people, but those who still don't genuinely enjoy life itself!), but out of an unintelligent biological instinct (but rather one's self-preservation or survival instinct) that prevents them from dying or so. Of course, this is not speaking for everyone, but only for those who still genuinely wish they were dead but for obvious reasons, do not reveal their true intentions. It is a farcical for forced-lifers to presume that if one dictates one's own personal life to not be worth living, then they must have speak for everyone, which is far from the truth! In fact, they are only speaking about themselves and themselves solely.
So in conclusion, a society that is sick and decrepit doesn't deserve to be upheld by those who blindingly believe that there is always betterment, for that betterment that may never arrive (in one's lifetime or arrives way too late to be of meaningful impact for said person). Furthermore, the antagonization and shaming of desperate individuals do NOT improve society. Of course, if a society is worth supporting and living for, then it would make sense for said individuals or people to continue to want to contribute and/or support it to see it thrive over the years and more. Instead, most people who continue going about upholding society like slaves to the system are not doing so out of genuine fondness and desire for it, but rather shackled by their innate biological, self-preservation (survival instinct) and those in power or so take advantage of such and keep people trapped. The ones who decide to exit the system end up having to do so quietly while risking everything on the line (through the act of CTB).
