i cannot understand why suicide needs to be prevented, or why everyone isnt suicidal

[depthss]

i dont know how everyone isnt suicidal. all i have to do is just look at my clock, only x amount of hours left today, thats not long, i can get through it, but then i think about tomorrow, and the next day, and the day after that. i dont know how people live happily for 80 years, i cant imagine living like this for 80 years. i dont even have any distressing things going on, im just alive and i cant take it. ive had such a normal life, i dont know why i have to be like this, theres no reason

 

[CantDoIt]

God if I have to live until my normal death and that isn't soon I'll go crazy...

 

[oneeyed]

Whether you follow a theistic viewpoint of life or evolution, there's no advantage to humanity as a whole regarding suicide. If everyone was suicidal then the human race would die out pretty quick since we wouldn't be procreating. Even though suicide numbers are not so insignificant, we're still a minority. Maybe our brains have crossed wires.

 

[sadidiot0328]

I wish I could be like the people who arent suicidal, or atleast figure out how they are not suicidal.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

That's the thing, many people don't think about tomorrow and the days after that. All people do is chase whatever fleeting pleasure they are able to acquire and whatever goals they have set for themselves and that's it. They don't think about the wider picture the way you do and pointing out this wider picture would just get them to say stuff like "oh, you're depressed! Just enjoy the moment!".

Whether you follow a theistic viewpoint of life or evolution, there's no advantage to humanity as a whole regarding suicide. If everyone was suicidal then the human race would die out pretty quick since we wouldn't be procreating. Even though suicide numbers are not so insignificant, we're still a minority. Maybe our brains have crossed wires.

I don't see how suicide is disadvantageous from an evolution perspective. Yes, I get that evolution is all about replicating but the thing about evolution is that it's a brainless and directionless process. Evolution doesn't give a shit if an entire species were to kill themselves because evolution is merely a process and isn't sentient

 

[Forever Sleep]

I don't get it either but I think some people genuinely don't feel like this- maybe ever- which is stranger still!

I was waiting for a meeting or interview or something once and a news report must have come on the radio concerning ideation. Someone who worked there turned and said- 'Wouldn't it be awful to feel like that? I can't imagine feeling like that.' Didn't feel like the right time to come clean really. I must have looked confused for a second though. I wonder how 'normal' or common it actually is. You'd think everyone must have considered it once or twice. Life's not exactly easy for a lot of people.

 

[ThisGameIsOverrated]

same OP I don't get how other non-religious people can't see how pointless living is

 

[FuneralCry]

To me personally the thought of suffering for decades longer is so terrifying, I understand as personally I'd never wish to exist, I just don't find existing to be desirable in general, I find it a burden to exist and I suffer simply from existing. But anyway I wish you the best.

 

[sanction]

Especially with the internet now, it is impossible to be unaware how crazy this world actually is. No amount of sugar coating or brain washing will be able to change this fact

We truly just live in a HUGE JUNGLE of madness. A place that feels like hell if you happen to not be on the fortunate side of things

Sometimes I just can't accept that life is just a longggggg dreaded meaningless journey of constant stressful survival.... for decades and decades.... just to witness ourselves slowly rot and decline year by year....... until we rot to a point of no return, and then just die from some painful sickness or disease...... usually without much dignity too

I truly believe we are in hell. We are raised to believe that hell must be a place under the ground, with fire burning 24/7. But that's just some fantasy created in movies and cartoons

This world itself is already a type of hell. The longer I am alive and continue to witness more and more of this world (especially with the internet), the more I grow to hate it, because it is such a sick and dark place to be stuck in

When will people finally wake up and stop procreating???? I feel sick to my stomach when the default response to someone being pregnant or having a new child is "congratulations"

Humans really have it all backwards. This planet needs to be extinct, just like how it ended for the dinosaurs, ASAP

 

[MatrixPrisoner]

There will never be an answer to this. The only thing we have control over is contributing to not perpetuating the suffering by refraining from having children ourselves.

 

[Rational Actor]

The very essence of life is to survive. Animals caught in a trap will chew off their fucking leg to get free and hopefully go on living. It's a primal force.

Of course, it is utterly irrational because life is also endless misery and suffering. Fortunately, humans have the capacity for reason and self-reflection. The more insightful among us recognize that the few moments of grace (if we are lucky) that life offers can in no way make up for the agonizing pain of existence. Even the wealthiest and most outwardly successful people realize this is true which is why people like Elon Musk, with a nearly $300B fortune, are lonely, drug-addicted, and unhinged. There is nothing, and certainly no amount of money, that can make life worth living.

Most people are of course bolden to their animal natures and will do anything to survive no matter how miserable they are. So, to answer your question, the reason why some people are not suicidal is because they are dumb animals who are not enlightened enough to realize they would be so much better off dead.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I don't want to live and no one can convince me there is some objective reason that i have to live another minute or that any sentient animal has to or to want to live or do anything at all. There is no reason to live but there is much more . i don't have the words to describe how much i hate living / existing .

i see that many i guess do think they want to live :

to want to live you'd have to believe that there is some objective reason or that the crap meaningless addictions are worth all the daily labor, stress , suffering , humiliations, hassles , headaches , worry , injustice , things going wrong, etc.

and that the crap meaningless addictions are worth living which means all that and this :

having to work every day for 15 hours per day working a job , chores , suffering , trying to solve problems , cleaning every damn thing, having to eat 3 time a day, groceries , to do lists, suffering , stress, problems .... every damn day ... then get up shower brush teeth and do it again and again every day for 90 years. .

work all day a job ,to do lists, chores for 15 hours per day every day for 90 years for what reason? there is no objective reason

Life is not worth going or risking the many horrible things diseases,old age, oppression, injustice , grief, depression, disabling accidents, stroke, cancer, extreme suffering, heartbreak , unbearable pain, kidnapping torture, , tape worm infection, tick bytes, lyme, scams, lies, heartbreak and 1000 more .

Life is not worth the unbearable pain possible ..

always hungry having to work , suffer, every every for 90 years all the time risking extreme torture all for no objective reason.

life is just cells , a machine , piece of chemistry . there is no purpose.

no one can convince me there is an objective reason why i or any human has to live even another minute or to want to live or do anything . there is no objective reasons . life is meaningless suffering. life is an evil imposition prison torture slavery

but these and many more reasons why life is horrible are summed up on top of each other to make life a nightmare

the pleasurable addictions are the most evil because it's these that keep one here to fall for the worst torture and the worst pain imaginable . a fucking sandwhich or a fucking youtube video are not worth anything much less going through extreme torture or even all this suffering and slavery. these addictions are just bait

life is evil . life has tortured a thousand trillion sentient animals for 500 million years. most animals died by being eaten alive by other animals, parasites or bacteria . loot at all the horrible evil things in this world. who would want to be a part of this evil ? are they blind or heavily programmed since birth ? i'd say the latter


I don't have any mental illness

Is it rational and logical for me to question why am I working so hard so many hours for what reason? There is no objective reason.

I don't want to do anything . I prefer non-existence . This is rational not mental illness .

Is it logical to want to work 15 hours a day doing chores, trying to fix problems, having to eat 3 times A day , working a job and commuting, to do lists, cleaning everything etc... Every day . This is every day and for no objective reasons for 90 years, all the time risking extreme torture

Only in non-existence can guarantee never any pain , suffering, problems, bad memories

Instead they tell me I'm insane for not wanting to be a slave prisoner working so hard risking extreme torture for no reason. Trying to beg and cope and humiliate myself to all this evil for no reason

I reject all of existence logically.

With my suicide I can solve all my problems instantly and forever. How is that not rational and a sign of mental illness?

 

[untothedepths]

if we were able to decide how and potentially when we die that would be a huge blessing. im dumb asf and know this. before anyone asks of course caveats.

 

[Lightworkerinblack]

I don't want to live and no one can convince me there is some objective reason that i have to live another minute or that any sentient animal has to or to want to live or do anything at all. There is no reason to live but there is much more . i don't have the words to describe how much i hate living / existing .

i see that many i guess do think they want to live :

to want to live you'd have to believe that there is some objective reason or that the crap meaningless addictions are worth all the daily labor, stress , suffering , humiliations, hassles , headaches , worry , injustice , things going wrong, etc.

and that the crap meaningless addictions are worth living which means all that and this :

having to work every day for 15 hours per day working a job , chores , suffering , trying to solve problems , cleaning every damn thing, having to eat 3 time a day, groceries , to do lists, suffering , stress, problems .... every damn day ... then get up shower brush teeth and do it again and again every day for 90 years. .

work all day a job ,to do lists, chores for 15 hours per day every day for 90 years for what reason? there is no objective reason

Life is not worth going or risking the many horrible things diseases,old age, oppression, injustice , grief, depression, disabling accidents, stroke, cancer, extreme suffering, heartbreak , unbearable pain, kidnapping torture, , tape worm infection, tick bytes, lyme, scams, lies, heartbreak and 1000 more .

Life is not worth the unbearable pain possible ..

always hungry having to work , suffer, every every for 90 years all the time risking extreme torture all for no objective reason.

life is just cells , a machine , piece of chemistry . there is no purpose.

no one can convince me there is an objective reason why i or any human has to live even another minute or to want to live or do anything . there is no objective reasons . life is meaningless suffering. life is an evil imposition prison torture slavery

but these and many more reasons why life is horrible are summed up on top of each other to make life a nightmare

the pleasurable addictions are the most evil because it's these that keep one here to fall for the worst torture and the worst pain imaginable . a fucking sandwhich or a fucking youtube video are not worth anything much less going through extreme torture or even all this suffering and slavery. these addictions are just bait

life is evil . life has tortured a thousand trillion sentient animals for 500 million years. most animals died by being eaten alive by other animals, parasites or bacteria . loot at all the horrible evil things in this world. who would want to be a part of this evil ? are they blind or heavily programmed since birth ? i'd say the latter


I don't have any mental illness

Is it rational and logical for me to question why am I working so hard so many hours for what reason? There is no objective reason.

I don't want to do anything . I prefer non-existence . This is rational not mental illness .

Is it logical to want to work 15 hours a day doing chores, trying to fix problems, having to eat 3 times A day , working a job and commuting, to do lists, cleaning everything etc... Every day . This is every day and for no objective reasons for 90 years, all the time risking extreme torture

Only in non-existence can guarantee never any pain , suffering, problems, bad memories

Instead they tell me I'm insane for not wanting to be a slave prisoner working so hard risking extreme torture for no reason. Trying to beg and cope and humiliate myself to all this evil for no reason

I reject all of existence logically.

With my suicide I can solve all my problems instantly and forever. How is that not rational and a sign of mental illness?

Soooo... You claim over and over that you are sound and rational. Guess what type of people are irrationally incessant about assuring everyone of that?

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

i dont know how everyone isnt suicidal. all i have to do is just look at my clock, only x amount of hours left today, thats not long, i can get through it, but then i think about tomorrow, and the next day, and the day after that. i dont know how people live happily for 80 years, i cant imagine living like this for 80 years. i dont even have any distressing things going on, im just alive and i cant take it. ive had such a normal life, i dont know why i have to be like this, theres no reason

To answer your question. To others, they see a man looking for death. They don't want you to go. Selfish or selfless reasons. To you guys. It's a way to freedom. A means to an end. Minds arent lost. They're heading towards to right direction.

Soooo... You claim over and over that you are sound and rational. Guess what type of people are irrationally incessant about assuring everyone of that?

Keep in mind that's his perspective. Of course he might sound crazy to others. But to him. Its normal.

 

[Untimely]

Soooo... You claim over and over that you are sound and rational. Guess what type of people are irrationally incessant about assuring everyone of that?

I mean does this philosophy not make sense to you

 

[RCantCope]

i dont know how everyone isnt suicidal. all i have to do is just look at my clock, only x amount of hours left today, thats not long, i can get through it, but then i think about tomorrow, and the next day, and the day after that. i dont know how people live happily for 80 years, i cant imagine living like this for 80 years. i dont even have any distressing things going on, im just alive and i cant take it. ive had such a normal life, i dont know why i have to be like this, theres no reason

I once watched some psychology TikTok video that said something like "The difference between what makes a situation traumatic or simply deemed a stressful day, is the support system. Having people there to fall back on and tell the brain it's not alone"

In many cases, people end up traumatised not because of an event itself, but whether or not they go through it totally alone. I guess that's why people are able to live decades as if the time is nothing. They have family and friends and neighbours who love them.

For me, I feel the same way as you describe in your post. The idea of being 80 makes me physically sick. I don't even want to be 30 and it ain't far away. I'm excited for the possibility of MAID in Canada, they will make the program available for mental health patients in 2027. I don't know if they take foreign clients or if I'd ever even qualify. But here's to hoping.

No one should have to violate their body to elope with peace and freedom. This society is so frigid towards death. I'd rather see a loved one pass peacefully on a couch after planned intervention than hanging by a tree on a random Wednesday afternoon. Thats my argument for euthanasia. It's similar to the ab*rtion argument. You can't stop it from happening, you can only stop it from happening SAFELY. And all that does is injure people and ruin lives.

 

[OldManOfTheLake]

Individuals are not wired to necessarily accept truth. Individuals are wired to accept the truth they are most emotionally comfortable with. This is human nature. It is why so many people can believe ridiculous lies.

People do not want to see their loved ones CTB. It leads to a lot of thoughts such as:

"What could I have done differently?"

"Am I a bad person for not reaching out?"

"I feel guilty for not doing more."

Losing a loved one is incredibly hard on one's mental health. That is just life. It's a harrowing thought that life can be taken away so easily.

CTB in particular is especially hard because it shows someone how horrific the pain they must have went through to fight through their SI and take matters into their own hands. Putting down a pet is incredibly hard, but we all know pets do not live as long as we do. A human? That is an entirely different situation in terms of emotions. It's an order of magnitude harder. It is why euthanasia is so taboo on humans.

The issue lies here: because of how hard death is to accept, their minds will play all sorts of tricks to justify their loved one from CTB. They could say nonsense such as:

"CTB is the easy way out"

"CTB is a permament solution to a temporary problem"

"Think of all the harm you will do to your loved ones."

The first two I listed are nonsense. Going through SI is incredibly difficult, and some problems are permanent and are worse than death. The third is an attempt to use guilt to keep you alive, and to be frank, it's a selfish reason to use. I would rather pass multiple kidney stones a week than going through what I am going through right now (kidney stone pain is worse than childbirth, and I have passed plenty of them.) People don't understand us. People don't understand just how much suffering one can go through before they break.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

i dont know how everyone isnt suicidal.

I don´t know how persons belonging to minorities can think that everyone must be like they are. That is like homosexals wondering how enyone can be heterosexual or necrophiliacs wondering why not everybody wants to have sex with a corpse.

 

[ebg]

Soooo... You claim over and over that you are sound and rational. Guess what type of people are irrationally incessant about assuring everyone of that?

Probably because his viewpoint has been called irrational so many times and the majority of the populace would likely shut him up instead of trying to understand him. I also hate the word "crazy"/"irrational". Everyone has their own viewpoint created by life experiences, brain chemistry/the way we process the world (everyone's is different), etc.