Helium failure Exit Bag help please

[SadCryingBunny]

I need help making an exit bag on my turkey bag. I don't want to fail like this guy.

 

[soul2realm]

Take an elastic band - size - wraps around your neck comfortably (not tightly)
Now comes the tricky part, putting it within the bag.
At the end of the bag, wrap the corners at least 3 to 5 inches or whatever covers the band.
insert the band in the wrap.
now staple the ends of the band.
When u will do this the bag will scrunch, that's okay, you can straighten it out later.
So, we have one end of the bag with a band tightening its opening. Apply tape on the plastic wrap to seal the band within. Now this will take some effort as the you will have to straighten every inch of the closing to put the tape on. Once the that is done, you will have an exit bag that is in the shape of a shower cap but longer.

 

[Jadeith]

Most importantly, DO NOT use helium party balloon sets. Nowadays these are "contaminated" with about 20% oxygen. Those mixtures are enough to make balloons fly and your voice change but due to oxygen presence, they are no longer viable option to kill yourself.

 

[SadCryingBunny]

Most importantly, DO NOT use helium party balloon sets. Nowadays these are "contaminated" with about 20% oxygen. Those mixtures are enough to make balloons fly and your voice change but due to oxygen presence, they are no longer viable option to kill yourself.

You think the reason he survived was because there was oxygen in his helium? Wouldn't he have known that?

 

[Forveleth]

You think the reason he survived was because there was oxygen in his helium? Wouldn't he have known that?

You would be amazed the number of people who do not read basic labels or do not know to check this. Also, sometimes the information is printed tiny in the corner or something.

 

[Jadeith]

You think the reason he survived was because there was oxygen in his helium? Wouldn't he have known that?

Article neither shows nor precisely describes the setup used but there's strong possibility that's exactly what happened. Given that many people here ask about balloon party sets useability in suicide context, it is quite probable that his one did not ask or had old data.

 

[SadCryingBunny]

Article neither shows nor precisely describes the setup used but there's strong possibility that's exactly what happened. Given that many people here ask about balloon party sets useability in suicide context, it is quite probable that his one did not ask or had old data.

I'm using 99.9% nitrogen, so hopefully I'm out. Any recommendations on sleeping pills because I want to be asleep when this is being done.

You would be amazed the number of people who do not read basic labels or do not know to check this. Also, sometimes the information is printed tiny in the corner or something.

I'm using 99.9% nitrogen, so hopefully I'm out. Any recommendations on sleeping pills because I want to be asleep when this is being done.

 

[hikikomorizombie]

When I first tried ODing I took 4-7 Unisoms & didn't die but was so out of it they took me to the ER. & I experienced some cool visual hallucinations. So I'd rec Unisom

I'm using 99.9% nitrogen, so hopefully I'm out. Any recommendations on sleeping pills because I want to be asleep when this is being done.

I'm using 99.9% nitrogen, so hopefully I'm out. Any recommendations on sleeping pills because I want to be asleep when this is being done

 

[SadCryingBunny]

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When I first tried ODing I took 4-7 Unisoms & didn't die but was so out of it they took me to the ER. & I experienced some cool visual hallucinations. So I'd rec Unisom

Are You on disability government payments after that ER visit. How the hell are we supposed to work if we're actively suicidal.

 

[hikikomorizombie]

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Are You on disability government payments after that ER visit. How the hell are we supposed to work if we're actively suicidal.

Naaah. I wish getting disability was that easy& it's bc they want u to kys, the entire system's designed for u to either take yourself out or die while you're trying to fight for help.

 

[SadCryingBunny]

Naaah. I wish getting disability was that easy& it's bc they want u to kys, the entire system's designed for u to either take yourself out or die while you're trying to fight for help.

So are you still forced to work? I made a post link below. I plan on just paralysing myself so I can get on the disability if I'm forced to work. Here in Australia we get ongoing monthly payments. Unlike america where you have to be on the disability to be eligible for ongoing payments.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

Article neither shows nor precisely describes the setup used but there's strong possibility that's exactly what happened. Given that many people here ask about balloon party sets useability in suicide context, it is quite probable that his one did not ask or had old data.

I disagree. Since those contain oxygen & therefore do not displace oxygen, it shouldn't cause pulmonary edema, it shouldn't cause anything. The posts I've read by people who didn't know any better were fine afterwards & in need of no medical attention.

 

[Jadeith]

it shouldn't cause anything

Properly done - yes. But if party sets were used and person over pressured (even slightly) exit bag then some lung damage might be present.
Then again, not enough info on the setup to draw any reasonable conclusion as to why this specific attempt failed.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

I need help making an exit bag on my turkey bag. I don't want to fail like this guy.

Sorry, SadCryingBunny, I don't think I posted this quite where I meant to & I didn't want you to miss it…
There was a post the other day (and if you simply scroll down, you can't miss it) about the recent Kwan Sheung Chi video on how to make an exit bag. You shouldn't have trouble finding this video online. I found it to be very helpful.
Another important detail that has caused others here to fail: exit bags are not to be used lying down. Sitting upright but slightly reclined is what's recommended. Since you're planning on doing this on the beach, you will need something to prop you up.
And the sleeping pills… we can't have it both ways. Nitrogen causes us to lose consciousness in 15 seconds in an exit bag, which is much faster than any sleeping pill. You can overcomplicate this with sleeping pills if you want, but you need to be alert enough when you turn on the gas, set the flowmeter to 15lpm, hyperventilate for 1 minute, deeply exhale and then pull down the bag & inhale for it to work. If you're already drowsy and half asleep from sleeping pills by the time you turn on the gas & put the bag on, you're more likely to mess up or skip at least one of those steps, unnecessarily increasing risk of failure. The nitrogen will knock you out after just a few breaths.

 

[SadCryingBunny]

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Sorry, SadCryingBunny, I don't think I posted this quite where I meant to & I didn't want you to miss it…
There was a post the other day (and if you simply scroll down, you can't miss it) about the recent Kwan Sheung Chi video on how to make an exit bag. You shouldn't have trouble finding this video online. I found it to be very helpful.
Another important detail that has caused others here to fail: exit bags are not to be used lying down. Sitting upright but slightly reclined is what's recommended. Since you're planning on doing this on the beach, you will need something to prop you up.
And the sleeping pills… we can't have it both ways. Nitrogen causes us to lose consciousness in 15 seconds in an exit bag, which is much faster than any sleeping pill. You can overcomplicate this with sleeping pills if you want, but you need to be alert enough when you turn on the gas, set the flowmeter to 15lpm, hyperventilate for 1 minute, deeply exhale and then pull down the bag & inhale for it to work. If you're already drowsy and half asleep from sleeping pills by the time you turn on the gas & put the bag on, you're more likely to mess up or skip at least one of those steps, unnecessarily increasing risk of failure. The nitrogen will knock you out after just a few breaths.

l'll be using a scuba setup with pre set regulator flow rate, the only thing needed to do is just pull the bag on my head and turn on the scuba valve which is a single large turn. I need sleeping pills or something to make me severely sleepy as I'm scared and don't want any exploding head feeling etc. Again I ain't going through with it until I gain the courage to accept an autopsy or go several hundred kilometres to my ctb location without my personal phone card, car or sim. That way I won't be found for many months until I'm a skeleton.

 

[Jadeith]

Again I ain't going through with it until I gain the courage to accept an autopsy or go several hundred kilometres to my ctb location without my personal phone card, car or sim. That way I won't be found for many months until I'm a skeleton.

Thing is, once you are dead, you don't get to "accept" anything nor "need courage" for anything. Esp. when it comes to autopsy or time being found. Simply put, you won't be able to experience or influence it any meaningful way.

 

[SadCryingBunny]

Thing is, once you are dead, you don't get to "accept" anything nor "need courage" for anything. Esp. when it comes to autopsy or time being found. Simply put, you won't be able to experience or influence it any meaningful way.

Still I don't want my dead body being humiliated until it's almost a skeleton

 

[Jadeith]

Still I don't want my dead body being humiliated until it's almost a skeleton

Interestingly, quite significant group of users here express similar sentiments. Like, they don't want to be found after death, don't want to be dissected, don't want to be subjected to this or that burial ceremony. And sad truth is that no one will give flying intercourse what they wanted after they die and it is extremely hard to hide dead person, especially when it is your body we're talking about. Shitton of cameras everywhere, nosy people, stench of decaying body and unhealthy interest from animals - all this and more can cause premature discovery. Underwater burial aka suicide in boat with timer which sinks after set amount of time might be interesting option but there's still risk some of your remnants would be washed ashore and it requires lots of technical planning and preparations which in turn might attract unwanted attention.

 

[SadCryingBunny]

As I

Interestingly, quite significant group of users here express similar sentiments. Like, they don't want to be found after death, don't want to be dissected, don't want to be subjected to this or that burial ceremony. And sad truth is that no one will give flying intercourse what they wanted after they die and it is extremely hard to hide dead person, especially when it is your body we're talking about. Shitton of cameras everywhere, nosy people, stench of decaying body and unhealthy interest from animals - all this and more can cause premature discovery. Underwater burial aka suicide in boat with timer which sinks after set amount of time might be interesting option but there's still risk some of your remnants would be washed ashore and it requires lots of technical planning and preparations which in turn might attract unwanted attention.

As I said I don't mind if I'm found after a few months. I will be ctb far away from the city. Hundreds of km away. Cameras will have no idea where I suddenly disappeared from. I'll be taking a taxi - taxi to the general area. I've got this planner. Regarding animals I'll be wearing my chainmail shark suit and picking a location with minimal animal activity. Boat with sinking timer is a very smart idea. I actually thought of that before you, but glad to see others thinking of the same idea. But too complex, maybe if I don't ctb now and when I'm in my 70s with my sailing boat.

Sorry, SadCryingBunny, I don't think I posted this quite where I meant to & I didn't want you to miss it…
There was a post the other day (and if you simply scroll down, you can't miss it) about the recent Kwan Sheung Chi video on how to make an exit bag. You shouldn't have trouble finding this video online. I found it to be very helpful.
Another important detail that has caused others here to fail: exit bags are not to be used lying down. Sitting upright but slightly reclined is what's recommended. Since you're planning on doing this on the beach, you will need something to prop you up.
And the sleeping pills… we can't have it both ways. Nitrogen causes us to lose consciousness in 15 seconds in an exit bag, which is much faster than any sleeping pill. You can overcomplicate this with sleeping pills if you want, but you need to be alert enough when you turn on the gas, set the flowmeter to 15lpm, hyperventilate for 1 minute, deeply exhale and then pull down the bag & inhale for it to work. If you're already drowsy and half asleep from sleeping pills by the time you turn on the gas & put the bag on, you're more likely to mess up or skip at least one of those steps, unnecessarily increasing risk of failure. The nitrogen will knock you out after just a few breaths.

Could you please send me posting link so I can learn how to make an exit bag. I need visual. Please. I got the turkey bag with me. Thanks
This is so con

Take an elastic band - size - wraps around your neck comfortably (not tightly)
Now comes the tricky part, putting it within the bag.
At the end of the bag, wrap the corners at least 3 to 5 inches or whatever covers the band.
insert the band in the wrap.
now staple the ends of the band.
When u will do this the bag will scrunch, that's okay, you can straighten it out later.
So, we have one end of the bag with a band tightening its opening. Apply tape on the plastic wrap to seal the band within. Now this will take some effort as the you will have to straighten every inch of the closing to put the tape on. Once the that is done, you will have an exit bag that is in the shape of a shower cap but longer.

This is so complex. I need a image guide with step by step photos or a video please.

Take an elastic band - size - wraps around your neck comfortably (not tightly)
Now comes the tricky part, putting it within the bag.
At the end of the bag, wrap the corners at least 3 to 5 inches or whatever covers the band.
insert the band in the wrap.
now staple the ends of the band.
When u will do this the bag will scrunch, that's okay, you can straighten it out later.
So, we have one end of the bag with a band tightening its opening. Apply tape on the plastic wrap to seal the band within. Now this will take some effort as the you will have to straighten every inch of the closing to put the tape on. Once the that is done, you will have an exit bag that is in the shape of a shower cap but longer.

Oh wait I get it. I'll try tomorrow.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

Sorry, SadCryingBunny, I don't think I posted this quite where I meant to & I didn't want you to miss it…
There was a post the other day (and if you simply scroll down, you can't miss it) about the recent Kwan Sheung Chi video on how to make an exit bag. You shouldn't have trouble finding this video online. I found it to be very helpful.

See, you've had this information for a few days already, I figured you had already watched it by now.

 

[SadCryingBunny]

See, you've had this information for a few days already, I figured you had already watched it by now.

I don't have the video link. I asked you. Please send it.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

I don't have the video link. I asked you. Please send it.

Ok, ok, it's on the other thread.

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

I'm using 99.9% nitrogen, so hopefully I'm out. Any recommendations on sleeping pills because I want to be asleep when this is being done.

You don't need sleeping pills; you'd be out in seconds*, long before sleeping pills would kick in.

* Boudewijn Chabot 'Dignified Dying' observed 7 people using nitrogen. Unconsciousness occurred between 34 seconds and 1:59.

 

[SadCryingBunny]

You don't need sleeping pills; you'd be out in seconds*, long before sleeping pills would kick in.

* Boudewijn Chabot 'Dignified Dying' observed 7 people using nitrogen. Unconsciousness occurred between 34 seconds and 1:59.

I don't want to experience suffocation for 2 minutes. I couldn't pass out after a minute. Sleeping pills would make me drowsy and ease the experience

Ok, ok, it's on the other thread.

Which thread? Can you send me the link. It would be so easy just to link me to the video so I can make this damn exit bag and be done with this

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

I don't want to experience suffocation for 2 minutes. I couldn't pass out after a minute. Sleeping pills would make me drowsy and ease the experience

You need to do you homework. It won't feel like suffocating. You're still breathing, but your brain doesn't realize it's not breathing oxygen. How do you think it is that so many people die of CO poisoning each year? They don't realize they're not taking in enough oxygen.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

@Tommen Baratheon is right. This is the reason why people choose this method, because loss of consciousness occurs quickly, and there are no feelings of suffocation. If you don't pass out in roughly 15-20 seconds with your new exit bag, that's an indication that something is wrong with your setup, or you aren't following all of the necessary steps. Getting started after you're already drowsy from sleeping pills dramatically increases the risk that not all steps will be remembered & followed properly, therefore dramatically increasing the risk that the attempt will fail.

 

[SadCryingBunny]

You need to do you homework. It won't feel like suffocating. You're still breathing, but your brain doesn't realize it's not breathing oxygen. How do you think it is that so many people die of CO poisoning each year? They don't realize they're not taking in enough oxygen.

I've tried it and my brain still felt that it wasn't receiving oxygen. There is still that feeling something isn't right. I'll just use sleeping pills, won't hurt. Any other meds you can recommend ?

@Tommen Baratheon is right. This is the reason why people choose this method, because loss of consciousness occurs quickly, and there are no feelings of suffocation. If you don't pass out in roughly 15-20 seconds with your new exit bag, that's an indication that something is wrong with your setup, or you aren't following all of the necessary steps. Getting started after you're already drowsy from sleeping pills dramatically increases the risk that not all steps will be remembered & followed properly, therefore dramatically increasing the risk that the attempt will fail.

@Tommen Baratheon is right. This is the reason why people choose this method, because loss of consciousness occurs quickly, and there are no feelings of suffocation. If you don't pass out in roughly 15-20 seconds with your new exit bag, that's an indication that something is wrong with your setup, or you aren't following all of the necessary steps. Getting started after you're already drowsy from sleeping pills dramatically increases the risk that not all steps will be remembered & followed properly, therefore dramatically increasing the risk that the attempt will fail.

There is nothing to go wrong when drowsy. All I need to do is just pull the exit bag down and just turn on the scuba tank valve fully open. The regulator will be attached to the top of my head via the chainmail hood I will be wearing. It will free flow at the pre determined flow rate I've adjusted via the 2nd stage Venturi switch. The scuba method is simpler and when I'm discovered I don't want people finding a nitrogen tank, just a plain scuba tank. I don't want more attention towards the misuse in suicide for nitrogen gases as they will then eventually be restricted sale making it very difficult for future suicidal people.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

I've tried it and my brain still felt that it wasn't receiving oxygen. There is still that feeling something isn't right. I'll just use sleeping pills, won't hurt. Any other meds you can recommend ?


There is nothing to go wrong when drowsy. All I need to do is just pull the exit bag down and just turn on the scuba tank valve fully open. The regulator will be attached to the top of my head via the chainmail hood I will be wearing. It will free flow at the pre determined flow rate I've adjusted via the 2nd stage Venturi switch. The scuba method is simpler and when I'm discovered I don't want people finding a nitrogen tank, just a plain scuba tank. I don't want more attention towards the misuse in suicide for nitrogen gases as they will then eventually be restricted sale making it very difficult for future suicidal people.

Ok, first, If you plan to do it as you stated, pulling the bag down and then turning on the gas, that is not the sequence of things, and sounds likely to fail just based on that alone.
Second, I do not know about how it's done with scuba, but if it will contain the same amount as what's in the tank & will flow at 15lpm, that part should work. If not, then not. If you do ctb, the investigation will reveal that you used nitrogen, regardless of whether you're found with a nitrogen tank or not.

 

[SadCryingBunny]

Ok, first, If you plan to do it as you stated, pulling the bag down and then turning on the gas, that is not the sequence of things, and sounds likely to fail just based on that alone.
Second, I do not know about how it's done with scuba, but if it will contain the same amount as what's in the tank & will flow at 15lpm, that part should work. If not, then not. If you do ctb, the investigation will reveal that you used nitrogen, regardless of whether you're found with a nitrogen tank or not.

They can't detect nitrogen in an autopsy. They will have no idea how I died. They'll suspect gas of course but no definitive answer. Yes it will contain 5L of nitrogen and flow at 20L a minute. I'll scrunch the bag and pull it down around my neck and breath it. I should pass out quick will heavily drowsy from the sleeping pills.

 

[TheEmptyVoid]

Another important detail that has caused others here to fail: exit bags are not to be used lying down. Sitting upright but slightly reclined is what's recommended.

Is it because the gas tank will be moved or knocked, or does it have something to do with the way oxygen is gone and blood flow in the person and/or what?