Discussion Has anyone else noticed genuine sociopaths on this site?

[astonishedturnip]

The article seems to confirm that it was. I'm glad his video failed to upload. Fuck that guy

In his post history he was referencing going out with a method that will cause a lot of attention and send a message. Surprised nobody cottoned on to it. Talk about a scumbag.

 

[ididnotconsent]

I haven't. I'm not on much, but there are genuine sickos out there and this site is bound to attract those who would take advantage of vulnerable people. Everyone should be careful and report bad behavior to mods.

 

[PrismHon]

Honestly no I have not noticed, which gives me a "Are we the baddies?" moment... I don't think I am but I think with ctb intentions, I can have rather insular thinking and perhaps not pay attention to what others would notice as sociopathic signs in posters

 

[RadiantNumber]

Most of people here are tired of their life, you must understand

 

[cemeteryismyhome]

I think the mods here are really good. A couple of times I said something that accidentally didn't land the right way (happens All. The. Time. to me in real life), and they deleted my post with a kind explanation, which is very unusual to get in a forum, and one time the moved my post to "off topic" which seemed right. So, report it if someone is ruining the vibe. Most people here are awesome in my opinion. It takes all kinds.

 

[idontwanttosuffer]

Mods are pretty good here. So if you feel like someone has attacked you in a rude way, report them.

Note, difference of openion has to be communicated in a civilized way. I've come across few rude and the gate keeper kinda folks, but majority are good.

Also, different philosophical ideologies and opinions are totally fine and you can't take them personally.

 

[dearlydeparted44]

Hey i am new here, only posted a few times but already ran into one person who seemed kinda off. this person was pushing some weird nihilistic stuff like it was facts and kept mocking my replies, felt like they were just trying to mess with me not actually help.

i do not know if anyone else seen stuff like this or dealt with people like that here? just wondering how people handle it because it really messes with the vibe.

would be cool to hear what you all think about this kind of behavior and how to keep this place real and supportive.

Hello. I'm pretty new to this site as well. I come here just to vent before I actually ctb in a few weeks. For the most part, I find this site to be useful, as it's the only place on the internet that I've found where catching the bus isn't taboo. Plus, I don't want to vent anything on sites like Reddit. People are just too idiotic for that. With that said, SaSu does have drawbacks to it. One of which can't be controlled, unfortunately. And that's the human factor.

There's something I've noticed from reading a lot of posts on this site that goes unaddressed.

This isn't an attack on anyone. People can do whatever they want. However, from what I can ascertain by reading a lot of the posts on here, the OVERWHELMING majority of people on this site simply aren't serious about catching the bus. Quite the contrary. While this site is a safe place to discuss suicide, many people on here are on it to use the buzz word 'suicide' in order to psy op sympathy and attention from other people. The idea is to be talked out of it, actually. To be given some type of hope or cope advice. So, with that unseriousness comes a lot of ancillary ideological and/or philosophical conversation ranging from nihilism to antinatalism. All of which seem to position themselves as anti-life. However, once you read what's typically written, you'll find staunch and aggressive pro-life stances. Underneath all of this "life sucks" b.s. is an anger that one is not being included in what they see as life or something they think is worthwhile being a part of. In reality, they don't want to ctb or even die. They're just angry that they're being slighted (as they see it) by social groups. Again, not all on here, but a fucking lot.

Furthermore, this unseriousness also leads to idle cope talk and ego fantasizing. A person who is truly, genuinely suicidal may want to vent how they feel or express their fears and things they'll miss or be sad about. However, they're not really concerned with how they will look when they are found. They're not concerned with how they'll be remembered. They have loved ones who they'll miss and they don't want to hurt. However, a cat isn't going to keep them here. They like things like music and video games, but those things aren't enough to keep them here. They're way past coping. They understand that coping isn't living. Cope is just slow death. They don't get hung up on why society doesn't approve of suicide. In fact, they keep quiet about it most of the time. They have their ways of venting privately, and they have certain people who they feel comfortable enough to allude to catching the bus with. However, they aren't concerned with what people think of what they are about to do. They are focused on going about the business of ending their lives in a pragmatic way. It may be TOUGH for them to end their lives, but it's not HARD. It's hard to one who isn't serious.

Being focused on things like appearance and legacy are lamentations of the human ego. If one is worried about such things, then they aren't ready to die. Plain and simple. Plus, if one is serious about catching the bus, they focus on doing that. While they may vent to someone or talk to someone, they don't get hung up on cope talk. They don't have a song they're going to play when they do it. They just go about the business of getting it done and not dragging it out. They're decision isn't contingent on "if's." "Well, if I get this job, I'll hold off on it for a few more years." That's unseriousness.

I say all of that to say that those attacks are typical of people who aren't serious and are just around for attention and (sadly) trolling. This site is beautiful in so many ways. However, it is not immune to the Reddit-type idiocy that is prevalent on the internet. Stay vigilant and strong. Don't let them get to you.

 

[alwaysalone]

Hello. I'm pretty new to this site as well. I come here just to vent before I actually ctb in a few weeks. For the most part, I find this site to be useful, as it's the only place on the internet that I've found where catching the bus isn't taboo. Plus, I don't want to vent anything on sites like Reddit. People are just too idiotic for that. With that said, SaSu does have drawbacks to it. One of which can't be controlled, unfortunately. And that's the human factor.

There's something I've noticed from reading a lot of posts on this site that goes unaddressed.

This isn't an attack on anyone. People can do whatever they want. However, from what I can ascertain by reading a lot of the posts on here, the OVERWHELMING majority of people on this site simply aren't serious about catching the bus. Quite the contrary. While this site is a safe place to discuss suicide, many people on here are on it to use the buzz word 'suicide' in order to psy op sympathy and attention from other people. The idea is to be talked out of it, actually. To be given some type of hope or cope advice. So, with that unseriousness comes a lot of ancillary ideological and/or philosophical conversation ranging from nihilism to antinatalism. All of which seem to position themselves as anti-life. However, once you read what's typically written, you'll find staunch and aggressive pro-life stances. Underneath all of this "life sucks" b.s. is an anger that one is not being included in what they see as life or something they think is worthwhile being a part of. In reality, they don't want to ctb or even die. They're just angry that they're being slighted (as they see it) by social groups. Again, not all on here, but a fucking lot.

Furthermore, this unseriousness also leads to idle cope talk and ego fantasizing. A person who is truly, genuinely suicidal may want to vent how they feel or express their fears and things they'll miss or be sad about. However, they're not really concerned with how they will look when they are found. They're not concerned with how they'll be remembered. They have loved ones who they'll miss and they don't want to hurt. However, a cat isn't going to keep them here. They like things like music and video games, but those things aren't enough to keep them here. They're way past coping. They understand that coping isn't living. Cope is just slow death. They don't get hung up on why society doesn't approve of suicide. In fact, they keep quiet about it most of the time. They have their ways of venting privately, and they have certain people who they feel comfortable enough to allude to catching the bus with. However, they aren't concerned with what people think of what they are about to do. They are focused on going about the business of ending their lives in a pragmatic way. It may be TOUGH for them to end their lives, but it's not HARD. It's hard to one who isn't serious.

Being focused on things like appearance and legacy are lamentations of the human ego. If one is worried about such things, then they aren't ready to die. Plain and simple. Plus, if one is serious about catching the bus, they focus on doing that. While they may vent to someone or talk to someone, they don't get hung up on cope talk. They don't have a song they're going to play when they do it. They just go about the business of getting it done and not dragging it out. They're decision isn't contingent on "if's." "Well, if I get this job, I'll hold off on it for a few more years." That's unseriousness.

I say all of that to say that those attacks are typical of people who aren't serious and are just around for attention and (sadly) trolling. This site is beautiful in so many ways. However, it is not immune to the Reddit-type idiocy that is prevalent on the internet. Stay vigilant and strong. Don't let them get to you.

I understand what you're saying to an extent. However I don't think that suicide is as black and white as you described. There's the whole active/passive situation. There are people who literally have people whose life depends on the one wanting to die. So yeah decisions, plans etc... have to be made. I agree some people over think it and get far to wrapped up in the minutiae. Personally I think this is fear, si, and lack of actual desire but they have to see that for themselves. I will add that there are a lot of posts on 'how do others overcome si' and such. There's also a lot of posts about ' make sure you research your method completely' and 'if you haven't done all your research you'll hurt yourself'. No body seems to see the correlation.

 

[bankai]

I have not yet noticed anyone like that. But I'm definitely sure those people do exist on this site as evidenced by the guy that tried killing those women.They're probably just silently biding their time and lurking. All I can say is exercise caution.It's not that difficult to identify, or at least have a sense of apprehension regarding these people.

 

[dearlydeparted44]

I understand what you're saying to an extent. However I don't think that suicide is as black and white as you described. There's the whole active/passive situation. There are people who literally have people whose life depends on the one wanting to die. So yeah decisions, plans etc... have to be made. I agree some people over think it and get far to wrapped up in the minutiae. Personally I think this is fear, si, and lack of actual desire but they have to see that for themselves. I will add that there are a lot of posts on 'how do others overcome si' and such. There's also a lot of posts about ' make sure you research your method completely' and 'if you haven't done all your research you'll hurt yourself'. No body seems to see the correlation.

I can kind of rock with a lot of what you're saying. However, from lived experience, obligation isn't always strong enough to keep someone here. I knew a person who caught the bus that had young children. I hate that very much, but it taught me that if someone really wants out, they will get out. I've seen the type of posts you mentioned as well. However, a lot of posts on here tend to deal with rather questionable methods of suicide. To the extent that one has to question the seriousness of the poster. My point was that, on such a forum as this, the subject in and of itself is a trigger and taboo. And there are people who might be deeply depressed, but hardly suicidal. It shows in what they write. And it's not judgement on these people. Merely an observation.

To the OP's point (or what I think they were trying to point out), out of the minutiae comes a lot of posts and commentors pushing pseudo-philosophies such as nihilism and antinatalism. And people can tend to be a bit too imposing and rude when it comes to pushing such ideas. I think such behavior is an inevitable outgrowth of unseriousness. I have philosophies that I believe in, but that has nothing to do with venting my feelings nor what I plan to do. Suicide is and is not black and white. It truly does have a lot of layers to it.

 

[Pluto]

 

[alwaysalone]

When it comes to parents it takes a lot to overcome the biological and social demand you "be there for your kid". I have always found that ironic when you look at all the young people blaming their parents for wanting to die. We're they really better off having a parent?? Making someone's life horrible doesn't have to include physical or sexual abuse. A parent has to come to the belief their child(ren) are better off with out them. That the pain the parents know it will cause is better than a lifetime with the parent.
There's also people with elderly or handicapped loved ones they don't want them to go into government care. It's definitely hard. You're right in the fact though that once dead we won't care at all.

 

[AreWeWinning]

Hello. I'm pretty new to this site as well. I come here just to vent before I actually ctb in a few weeks. For the most part, I find this site to be useful, as it's the only place on the internet that I've found where catching the bus isn't taboo. Plus, I don't want to vent anything on sites like Reddit. People are just too idiotic for that. With that said, SaSu does have drawbacks to it. One of which can't be controlled, unfortunately. And that's the human factor.

There's something I've noticed from reading a lot of posts on this site that goes unaddressed.

This isn't an attack on anyone. People can do whatever they want. However, from what I can ascertain by reading a lot of the posts on here, the OVERWHELMING majority of people on this site simply aren't serious about catching the bus. Quite the contrary. While this site is a safe place to discuss suicide, many people on here are on it to use the buzz word 'suicide' in order to psy op sympathy and attention from other people. The idea is to be talked out of it, actually. To be given some type of hope or cope advice. So, with that unseriousness comes a lot of ancillary ideological and/or philosophical conversation ranging from nihilism to antinatalism. All of which seem to position themselves as anti-life. However, once you read what's typically written, you'll find staunch and aggressive pro-life stances. Underneath all of this "life sucks" b.s. is an anger that one is not being included in what they see as life or something they think is worthwhile being a part of. In reality, they don't want to ctb or even die. They're just angry that they're being slighted (as they see it) by social groups. Again, not all on here, but a fucking lot.

Furthermore, this unseriousness also leads to idle cope talk and ego fantasizing. A person who is truly, genuinely suicidal may want to vent how they feel or express their fears and things they'll miss or be sad about. However, they're not really concerned with how they will look when they are found. They're not concerned with how they'll be remembered. They have loved ones who they'll miss and they don't want to hurt. However, a cat isn't going to keep them here. They like things like music and video games, but those things aren't enough to keep them here. They're way past coping. They understand that coping isn't living. Cope is just slow death. They don't get hung up on why society doesn't approve of suicide. In fact, they keep quiet about it most of the time. They have their ways of venting privately, and they have certain people who they feel comfortable enough to allude to catching the bus with. However, they aren't concerned with what people think of what they are about to do. They are focused on going about the business of ending their lives in a pragmatic way. It may be TOUGH for them to end their lives, but it's not HARD. It's hard to one who isn't serious.

Being focused on things like appearance and legacy are lamentations of the human ego. If one is worried about such things, then they aren't ready to die. Plain and simple. Plus, if one is serious about catching the bus, they focus on doing that. While they may vent to someone or talk to someone, they don't get hung up on cope talk. They don't have a song they're going to play when they do it. They just go about the business of getting it done and not dragging it out. They're decision isn't contingent on "if's." "Well, if I get this job, I'll hold off on it for a few more years." That's unseriousness.

I say all of that to say that those attacks are typical of people who aren't serious and are just around for attention and (sadly) trolling. This site is beautiful in so many ways. However, it is not immune to the Reddit-type idiocy that is prevalent on the internet. Stay vigilant and strong. Don't let them get to you.

I can kind of rock with a lot of what you're saying. However, from lived experience, obligation isn't always strong enough to keep someone here. I knew a person who caught the bus that had young children. I hate that very much, but it taught me that if someone really wants out, they will get out. I've seen the type of posts you mentioned as well. However, a lot of posts on here tend to deal with rather questionable methods of suicide. To the extent that one has to question the seriousness of the poster. My point was that, on such a forum as this, the subject in and of itself is a trigger and taboo. And there are people who might be deeply depressed, but hardly suicidal. It shows in what they write. And it's not judgement on these people. Merely an observation.

To the OP's point (or what I think they were trying to point out), out of the minutiae comes a lot of posts and commentors pushing pseudo-philosophies such as nihilism and antinatalism. And people can tend to be a bit too imposing and rude when it comes to pushing such ideas. I think such behavior is an inevitable outgrowth of unseriousness. I have philosophies that I believe in, but that has nothing to do with venting my feelings nor what I plan to do. Suicide is and is not black and white. It truly does have a lot of layers to it.

I agree with a lot of what you say. But I also agree with some of the counter-arguments that say it's not black-and-white. I don't have much to add to the conversation in a meaningful way, but based on your posts, I have the feeling that this 'unseriousness' of people irks you a little bit. You're posting about it, after all. In other words, you're also engaging in 'irrelevant' conversations.

I'm not saying this to challenge you, because I often feel the same way. Some of the posts are annoying and the people who post them are often not seriously suicidal. But then some are... Either way, I don't feel it's worth the time to discuss.

What I'm curious about, though, is what makes you think that you are serious enough to actually go through with it? There are also posts where people say they had a certain method at hand, and they felt dead serious up to the last moment, yet they still couldn't do it. Have you considered this possibility? And if so, what are you doing to prevent it from happening to you?

 

[Morte]

I can be pretty mean sometimes, but im not evil or sociopath

 

[EvisceratedJester]

God, I hate it when people spend their time throwing terms like "psychopath" and "sociopath" all willy-nilly. Beyond the fact that sociopath is an outdated term (ASPD is the term generally used today), people can be awful without it coming back to some sort of psychological condition. This type of shit only fuels stigma against certain psychological conditions and makes it seem like to be shitty = having to have some sort of psychological condition.

 

[dearlydeparted44]

I agree with a lot of what you say. But I also agree with some of the counter-arguments that say it's not black-and-white. I don't have much to add to the conversation in a meaningful way, but based on your posts, I have the feeling that this 'unseriousness' of people irks you a little bit. You're posting about it, after all. In other words, you're also engaging in 'irrelevant' conversations.

I'm not saying this to challenge you, because I often feel the same way. Some of the posts are annoying and the people who post them are often not seriously suicidal. But then some are... Either way, I don't feel it's worth the time to discuss.

What I'm curious about, though, is what makes you think that you are serious enough to actually go through with it? There are also posts where people say they had a certain method at hand, and they felt dead serious up to the last moment, yet they still couldn't do it. Have you considered this possibility? And if so, what are you doing to prevent it from happening to you?

Those are fair questions. I don't feel 'challenged' at all. I appreciate the response. It not so much irks me as just disheartens me. See, I know I'm ready to go through with it because I feel at peace with it. I feel at peace with the life I've lived, with the memories I have, and with the challenges I've overcome. I found this site from someone who shared the link with me on a Discord thread. They have since caught the bus. We chatted about it. We understood each other and expressed empathy and identification with each other's pain, fears, doubts, and methods. He leaned on me all the way up to the night he did it. And he thanked me for that.

You see, I came to this site seeking that kind of "support." I don't mean information about methods or means to get methods, and definitely not any "it gets better" rhetoric. I'm talking about expressing my feelings and intentions with people who are also seriously going to attempt. In doing so, having someone to hypothetically hold my hand up to the point where I do it. To discuss fears, doubts, and other things that can help calm my nerves. This is causing nervousness. And I would like someone to share that with. Not even to say goodbye to, although such discussions would inherently form inadvertent relationships and bonds. Because we are all going through the same or similar experiences. Am I making sense?

So, when I see discussions that seem a little unserious, it's just kind of off-putting. It just seems like Reddit, but we're allowed to talk about suicide. It seems kind of cliquey, self-absorbed, and counterintuitive to the discussion of suicide. Like therapy on the cheap, but for sad (maybe depressed) people who more so want attention and connection more than they want to actually catch the bus. Not that anyone should encourage someone to catch the bus. However, I've made up my mind. I have no doubts. I'm not sad. I'm not mad. I'm ready. I guess I just want to know that there is someone like me who is also approaching this precipice and needs someone to walk with them up to the final moments of this journey. I don't really get that this platform, as beautiful as it is, has many people on here like that. SaSu positions itself as a pro-choice site, not pro-suicide. There's nothing wrong with that. However, for someone like me, this seeing threads about dying by Tylenol overdose and the endless SN threads (I didn't even know what that was until I came to this site. I had to research it. That seems like a hassle in and of itself.), you get the feeling that most of the discussions on here are about bad days and people using an extreme taboo as a means to get attention and feed off of other emo-type vibes. Does that make sense?

It's not judging anyone either. It's just how it makes me feel in my journey towards ending my life.