exit bag strategy/brain damage prevention - please read

[PrincessInWhite]

I promise I'm winding down on these posts soon, lol!

To clarify- we know that nitrogen itself isn't poisonous or harmful. so my plan is this- when it's time to attempt, I will abort if it takes me longer than 1-2 minutes to lose consciousness. By aborting before I lose consciousness, there should be no risk of brain damage, correct? my reasoning is that if I fall unconscious quickly clearly the set up is sound, I have WAY more gas than needed, and my hands and the tubing will be tied so the only risks I'll be taking will be that the valve fails somehow, which is honestly a risk I am willing to take at this point. and if I don't fall unconscious quickly, I either need to re-assess my setup or choose a new method.

Does this sound reasonable?
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[outrider567]

I promise I'm winding down on these posts soon, lol!

To clarify- we know that nitrogen itself isn't poisonous or harmful. so my plan is this- when it's time to attempt, I will abort if it takes me longer than 1-2 minutes to lose consciousness. By aborting before I lose consciousness, there should be no risk of brain damage, correct? my reasoning is that if I fall unconscious quickly clearly the set up is sound, I have WAY more gas than needed, and my hands and the tubing will be tied so the only risks I'll be taking will be that the valve fails somehow, which is honestly a risk I am willing to take at this point. and if I don't fall unconscious quickly, I either need to re-assess my setup or choose a new method.

Does this sound reasonable?
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How are you going to time it? and I'd Abort it after just 1 minute, not 1 to 2 minutes----At any rate, there won't be any brain damage if you don't lose consciousness--When my Oxygen dropped from 98 to 45,it rapidly went right back up to 98 after I took the bag off

 

[Medicmedic72]

How are you going to time it? and I'd Abort it after just 1 minute, not 1 to 2 minutes----At any rate, there won't be any brain damage if you don't lose consciousness--When my Oxygen dropped from 98 to 45,it rapidly went right back up to 98 after I took the bag off

There's an oxygen latency of up to 2 minutes before your oxygen saturation will reflect a decrease in bound hemoglobin. So, at 2 minutes you may just be starting to show a hypoxic state.

 

[PrincessInWhite]

How are you going to time it? and I'd Abort it after just 1 minute, not 1 to 2 minutes----At any rate, there won't be any brain damage if you don't lose consciousness--When my Oxygen dropped from 98 to 45,it rapidly went right back up to 98 after I took the bag off

how long did it take for you to drop that low??? That seems super low to still be conscious and have happened under a minute!

There's an oxygen latency of up to 2 minutes before your oxygen saturation will reflect a decrease in bound hemoglobin. So, at 2 minutes you may just be starting to show a hypoxic state.

that's what I thought too! 2-3 minutes is what I've heard, but @Outsider says his dropped to 45 after less than a minute?! that is scary! A person could still technically do damage with levels that low, no? I have an underlying heart condition/heart failure so don't want to disable myself further is all. that's why I wanted to find a way to test and abort if things weren't looking good.

 

[Medicmedic72]

how long did it take for you to drop that low??? That seems super low to still be conscious and have happened under a minute!

that's what I thought too! 2-3 minutes is what I've heard, but @Outsider says his dropped to 45 after less than a minute?! that is scary! A person could still technically do damage with levels that low, no? I have an underlying heart condition/heart failure so don't want to disable myself further is all. that's why I wanted to find a way to test and abort if things weren't looking good.

Brain damage doesn't happen for 6-8 minutes depending on age and pre-existing conditions.

 

[PrincessInWhite]

Brain damage doesn't happen for 6-8 minutes depending on age and pre-existing conditions.

Thank you! I am young but I do have heart failure and autonomic issues so I'd probably be on the lower end of that range, however I'm certainly not going to wait a whole 6 minutes, I'll do 30 seconds to a minute then abort. Thank you again!

 

[Medicmedic72]

Thank you! I am young but I do have heart failure and autonomic issues so I'd probably be on the lower end of that range, however I'm certainly not going to wait a whole 6 minutes, I'll do 30 seconds to a minute then abort. Thank you again!

30-60 seconds probably isn't enough to onload the nitrogen and offload the oxygen, honestly. Even with those conditions. Nitrogen binds more quickly than oxygen, but you won't have passed all your blood through the lungs twice.

 

[PrincessInWhite]

30-60 seconds probably isn't enough to onload the nitrogen and offload the oxygen, honestly. Even with those conditions. Nitrogen binds more quickly than oxygen, but you won't have passed all your blood through the lungs twice.

Good to know!! so I should be safe testing 1-2 minutes then? Thank you for this help it's invaluable, this obviously isn't a situation I can Google lmao

 

[Medicmedic72]

Good to know!! so I should be safe testing 1-2 minutes then? Thank you for this help it's invaluable, this obviously isn't a situation I can Google lmao

To test? You should feel something within 60 seconds. I thought you were CTB.

 

[PrincessInWhite]

To test? You should feel something within 60 seconds. I thought you were CTB.

Yes sorry, by test I mean using this window to determine if I should abort or not- I just want to determine the time frame that indicates this method isn't gonna work for me (I don't have diagnosed respiratory issues or problems taking deep breaths or with oxygenation etc but I do smoke weed) so I can abort, and you've helped me determine the point at which I should be feeling it so if im not I can jump ship.

 

[outrider567]

how long did it take for you to drop that low??? That seems super low to still be conscious and have happened under a minute!

that's what I thought too! 2-3 minutes is what I've heard, but @Outsider says his dropped to 45 after less than a minute?! that is scary! A person could still technically do damage with levels that low, no? I have an underlying heart condition/heart failure so don't want to disable myself further is all. that's why I wanted to find a way to test and abort if things weren't looking good.

It only took about 20 to 30 seconds to drop that low---Remember, first you flatten the bag to get the oxygen out, then while its being filled with Nitrogen, you take many deep breaths to get the Oxygen out of your lungs, when the bag is in place around your head, you take nice slow deep breaths of the Nitrogen, I took about 4 or 5 deep breaths then took the bag off my head, just like breathing air, and looked at the oximeter on my finger----As far as your heart goes with a test like this, might ask Greenberg