Ever wonder why more people don’t CTB?

[Fadeawaaaay]

There are so many absolutely miserable people who nevertheless get up every day and continue their lives. People living entirely alone without any friends. People suffering extreme pain physically or mentally. People going hungry. It's amazing how resilient human beings are and what they're willing to put up with.

 

[Bone]

Very true. It's also quite difficult to pull off successfully.

 

[Ta555]

There are so many absolutely miserable people who nevertheless get up every day and continue their lives. People living entirely alone without any friends. People suffering extreme pain physically or mentally. People going hungry. It's amazing how resilient human beings are and what they're willing to put up with.

Some people don't feel they have any choice. For example if they have children they can't bring themselves to do it because of the effect it would have on them. Some may be the only providers for their families and feel too guilty or obligated. There are lots of reasons. I think one big one though is the idea of failure and ending up worse off than before. For me this is the only reason right now.

 

[Snake of Eden]

Yes resilient but do they have much of a choice giving how compulsory and strong SI is

 

[Ta555]

Very true. It's also quite difficult to pull off successfully.

Not necessarily. The most difficult part is to not be rescued. Otherwise full suspension hanging or throwing yourself tied up in a body of water would be pretty easy to pull off successfully.

 

[sueoffside]

It's underestimated just how terrified of death some people are even if they're miserable bein alive

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

I think a lot of people are able to acclimate to their existence no matter how miserable it is. Where I live there's a lot of homeless people in absolutely wretched conditions. Most of them are actually fairly well spoken, intelligent, and capable. They've just fallen on really hard times. And yet they persist. I was talking to this one guy who had been attacked in his tent, tied up and raped, and his throat slashed. He had to end up getting multiple surgeries to mend. And then released back onto the street. Guy was actually pretty smart. He had been an anthropologist Before suffering a schizophrenic break. Guy is living in a tent On the street. Yet He persists.

 

[Bone]

Not necessarily. The most difficult part is to not be rescued. Otherwise full suspension hanging or throwing yourself tied up in a body of water would be pretty easy to pull off successfully.

I don't agree. Those are very painful methods. Not "easy" at all to pull off.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

I don't agree. Those are very painful methods. Not "easy" at all to pull off.

I'm with you. I think most of these methods are really quite terrifying. N seems like the "easiest" - You take the stuff and go to sleep and never wake up, right?

 

[Choco]

Maybe bc they enjoy living life in general (I hope Im not being disrespecful)

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

Maybe bc they enjoy living life in general (I hope Im not being disrespecful)

Not at all disrespectful. They probably enjoy some particular aspect of their lives. They might also not really know anything better so their expectations might be lower.

 

[Bone]

Also a huge stigma/taboo around it. It does hurt others, as well.

 

[Someone123]

Overall less than 5% of attempts are successful in the U.S., based on 2020 statistics, so the difficulty of getting attempts to work is a big factor; (actually 3.4% based on the official statistics- only 1 in 29 attempts were successful in 2020. So if as person really wants to ctb to stop their pain probably the best way to to choose a method that works a high percentage of the time and then carefully plan things to give themselves the best possible chance to ctb.

 

[Beeper]

I suspect that most people don't consider CTB as an option, regardless of how bad things get in their lives.

There is also so much stigma about suicide, and most of the methods available are not peaceful.

 

[lonerclown666]

they scared of the void and forever darkness

 

[Someone123]

I suspect that most people don't consider CTB as an option, regardless of how bad things get in their lives.

There is also so much stigma about suicide, and most of the methods available are not peaceful.

I have discussed this with people who are not normally depressed and I'v e gotten the impression that a lot more people consider this than you might think- is this life worth the trouble? A lot of people go through a phase like this, but it seems for only a smaller percentage does it carry on over a longer time.

 

[Pluto]

There are lots of reasons, many of which have been mentioned here.

* Lack of access to safe methods or professional euthanasia services due to antiquated laws
* Shame and taboos around being unable to continue
* Primal instincts for survival
* People often genuinely want to be helped (and there's nothing wrong with that)
* Concern for loved ones, hope for a radical turnaround, etc., etc.

 

[deathLiberation]

* Lack of access to safe methods or professional euthanasia services due to antiquated laws
* Primal instincts for survival

This mainly.

We are wired to not kill ourselves. We fell pain.
CTB is ALWAYS painful, even the less painful method have some amount of pain involved.

The problem is the way this existence is conceived, not us, individuals. And society dogmas just make it worse.

If it was a simple "off switch", much more people would have already done it.

 

[TriggerHappy]

The same reason most of us don't have affairs or go about murderising ::

• method
• means
• opportunity

 

[Nolife33]

People who are afraid of death don't ctb
The ones who appreciate life know the the truth and the truth is to end it.

 

[FuneralCry]

Humans are programmed to live and survive, it is how we have evolved. Even know we want to die, it goes against our instinct to survive. Of course ctb is very difficult. Methods can also fail. I believe, that at least in my case, I will have to reach a point of desperation in order to leave this world.

There really is so much suffering in this world and there is no limit as to how bad things can get. If we think we have it bad now, it can get so much worse. There really should be the option of euthanasia, it is cruel how the society expects us to suffer for decades. In general, I think humans are programmed to live and to try to find solutions to their problems. For many suicide is an ultimate last resort and they will only do it when things are completely hopeless, so that could be another explanation as to why more people do not ctb.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

Overall less than 5% of attempts are successful in the U.S., based on 2020 statistics, so the difficulty of getting attempts to work is a big factor; (actually 3.4% based on the official statistics- only 1 in 29 attempts were successful in 2020. So if as person really wants to ctb to stop their pain probably the best way to to choose a method that works a high percentage of the time and then carefully plan things to give themselves the best possible chance to ctb.

That is a very very small percentage of success.

 

[Someone123]

That is a very very small percentage of success.

Yes, certain methods are commonly attempted that have a much lower chance of success- most overdose attempts and cutting have very low success rates but are commonly attempted. There is no complete data in the U.S. of attempts by type, though.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

Yes, certain methods are commonly attempted that have a much lower chance of success- most overdose attempts and cutting have very low success rates but are commonly attempted. There is no complete data in the U.S. of attempts by type, though.

It's true. If more people used handguns the success rate would be a lot higher. Or jumping off a very tall buildings.

 

[Death is beautiful]

It's true. If more people used handguns the success rate would be a lot higher. Or jumping off a very tall buildings.

what about hanging

 

[Ta555]

I don't agree. Those are very painful methods. Not "easy" at all to pull off.

Yeah sorry I meant they're easy to pull off in the sense that they're not technically complicated. SI is a whole separate thing!

Overall less than 5% of attempts are successful in the U.S., based on 2020 statistics, so the difficulty of getting attempts to work is a big factor; (actually 3.4% based on the official statistics- only 1 in 29 attempts were successful in 2020. So if as person really wants to ctb to stop their pain probably the best way to to choose a method that works a high percentage of the time and then carefully plan things to give themselves the best possible chance to ctb.

I've seen this statistic before and I don't understand it. Only 5% of attempts are successful. The keyword is "attempts" not all attempts are carried out with the goal to actually die. There are many people who attempt as a suicidal gesture, e.g. overdosing on their pills and since we know this is one of the least likely methods to work of course they're not going to succeed.
To have a better study we would need to know who was actually carrying out the attempt with the hard intention to succeed. I.e. well prepared, know how the method works, chose a time and place they'd be alone etc and exclude suicidal gestures, attention seeking, impulse actions and being drunk. Because I'm sure those who prepared well and actually wanted to succeed the percentage of completed suicides would be much higher than 5%.

 

[Ch92921]

It's underestimated just how terrified of death some people are even if they're miserable bein alive

But death is certain! You die anyway! This

I have discussed this with people who are not normally depressed and I'v e gotten the impression that a lot more people consider this than you might think- is this life worth the trouble? A lot of people go through a phase like this, but it seems for only a smaller percentage does it carry on over a longer time.

Thats true a lot of people never consider ctb. Seems bizarre to me.

People who are afraid of death don't ctb
The ones who appreciate life know the the truth and the truth is to end it.

This

This mainly.

We are wired to not kill ourselves. We fell pain.
CTB is ALWAYS painful, even the less painful method have some amount of pain involved.

The problem is the way this existence is conceived, not us, individuals. And society dogmas just make it worse.

If it was a simple "off switch", much more people would have already done it.

n methode is painful???