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Forever Sleep

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May 4, 2022
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I see this in other threads and, I notice it in myself. We sometimes have ways of behaving that we recognise are unpleasant for others and/ or ourselves but, I'll often read that the person feels they 'can't' change. Even that they've made efforts to stop or change but, can't seem to.

How true do you think it is? Is it that we actually can't change? Is it that we can maybe modify our behaviour but the desire to behave in that way will always be there? To varying degrees anyway.

So say- a person prone to addiction will always have those drives- whether or not they sate them? I definitely think for some- it's so much harder to change than others.

I suppose ultimately though, I wonder if it's about what that behaviour is giving us. What need is it fulfilling? Can we be without that need? Can we transfer it on to something safer?

I recognised my earlier crushes in life were likely all limerence. I don't think they impacted my limerent crush all that much. I was too shy/ embarassed to pursue them. But- I could see that they were really messing me up in the head. They were difficult to quit certainly. In some ways- they were the nicest part of my life at the time. To maladaptively daydream we were together.

But, I could recognise, they did more harm than good. I made very conscious efforts to force myself to stop and ensured I didn't fall for someone like that again. I found that having crushes on celebrities and fictional figures were a safer option for me. So, I could transfer some of my needs there.

I eventually wrestled binge eating under control also- which was a real problem for a time. It also used to bring me joy/ relief but then, I hated how it made me feel. I lost a substantial amount of weight at one point also.

Now, perhaps my most damaging faults are lazyness and poor eating habits. I feel like I'm coming to the point it's encroaching on health so- I'll have to be trying to address it. I don't like feeling so shit and tired.

I suppose though, I think we ultimately need very strong reasons to change. I tend to think- if we are still getting something out if our poor behaviour. If we can get away with it too and, if there isn't likely going to be sufficient reward to change- maybe we won't bother.

What do you think? Can will power overcome our character traits we want to or, feel we should change? Are some people truly incapable of change?

Do you trust other people have changed? That's the other side to it. Do you meet your childhood bully say- believing they may have matured? That lots of children have a cruel phase? Or, do you tend to suspect that 'a leopard can't change its spots'?

I tend to think it takes masses of effort to change and sustain that change. It may be a case of keeping ourselves constantly in check. That can relate to things like fighting depression or negative thoughts too. There was a time I considered trying to fight it. Read all sorts of self help books. But, it's exhausting to be constantly challenging your own thinking. To be putting a positive spin on perspectives. It can feel like bullshit too if we don't actually believe it.

I suppose we behave in ways that best serve our needs. I think sometimes I'm so pessimistic and cynical because I'm lethargic and afraid. To try and bring optimism into the frame brings challenges.

For example, maybe I should go for that job. Maybe it would be good for me to be around people again. I think my pessimism and cynicism lets me off the hook a lot of the time. It allows me not to even try- if I tell myself- I have next to no chance to get that job and, I'd likely hate it if I did.

Personally, I think I use it as an excuse to protect myself from situations I would find challenging and uncomfortable. Partly because I know that's simply the reality of it. Those jobs were challenging and uncomfortable in the past and I got very little out of them.

So- I suppose that's something else. Do we use our fears and inabilities and embedded character traits to hide behind? I think I do.
 
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NormallyNeurotic

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"Change" is a vague term. Some things cannot be changed. I cannot change my brain's wiring or any symptoms of illnesses—mental or otherwise. But I can change how I react to them.

The only people truly incapable of any type of change in any way are those who make themselves that way. Those who choose to stagnate and never learn, never think. Unfortunately, a major chunk of family is like that.
 
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derpyderpins

A Simple Kind of Man
Sep 19, 2023
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100% anyone can 'change' in the sense that they can adapt their natural personality, develop good habits, learn their weaknesses and compensate, and lean into their strengths, thus projecting a total "package" of a person who - for the purposes you're suggesting - has "changed." 0 doubt in my mind.
 
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Pale_Rider

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Apr 21, 2025
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Absolutely .people change weather they like it , or not at the end of the day we are the sum of our thoughts.
 
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itsgone2

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Not sure if this helps but my therapist said true personality disorders cannot change. So even though I felt I had npd the fact that I had remorse means I couldn't have been that far. So idk.
Addiction seems different. I know two alcoholics that say it's a daily battle because they can't actually change.
But I did change. I treated people better and had more empathy. Still do but I'm in such a deep depression it really doesn't matter anymore.
So you can change. Others can.
 
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Pale_Rider

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Ok. I have been told by a therapist that having a "gatekeeper " [ I have two ] is a powerful tool. I sometimes forget that also.
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
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Ok. I have been told by a therapist that having a "gatekeeper " [ I have two ] is a powerful tool. I sometimes forget that also.

Interesting- what does that actually mean? That they 'gatekeep' a person from doing certain behaviours? That they prevent them from changing perhaps?
 
Pale_Rider

Pale_Rider

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Apr 21, 2025
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Interesting- what does that actually mean? That they 'gatekeep' a person from doing certain behaviours? That they prevent them from changing perhaps?
At the base they control who can "front ", or have control. but they can also ban, or allow behaviors , or more apparently .
 
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Liebestod

Liebestod

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Mar 15, 2025
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No, people don't ever change.
 
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FoxSauce

FoxSauce

Emotionally unstable like an IKEA table
Aug 23, 2024
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Depends on the person and the effort.

Some people no matter how many resources and help you give them. They dont wanna make the effort to change.

Even if the say their gonna change you see no progress. Everything stays the same. So you end up believing and you dont expect them to change. Hard pill to swallow but sad truth.

But Is better sometimes take a step back and worry about you for a change.

No one can chage you only you can

If it sounds like positive ish sorry
(Im talking about people in my life in particular apologies)
 
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vitbar

vitbar

Escaped Lunatic
Jun 4, 2023
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I think of it like water running a course. We have inclinations, paths of least resistance. Time erodes these paths until they are valleys the water can barely escape. We get stuck in our ways. Still we can redirect the flow, but without consistent practice over time the water will return to its old furrows. It needs time to erode new ones.

I don't know how deep it goes. There will be some pulls and pushes that can't change. Change is sometimes difficult, and sometimes effortless.
 
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Pg.964

Pg.964

Lifeless
Jul 27, 2023
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While I don't have a definite answer, I do believe there are internal and external factors. Sometimes you can change them, and sometimes you can't.
Using myself as an example, I too struggle with maladaptive daydreaming ever since I was a child. That was due to childhood neglect. It was an external factor that althought at the time could not be changed, has now become an addiction that I am actively working towards changing by practicing mindfulness.
Some people have unchangeable characteristics, like certain mental or physical disabilities. But even with these factors, you can live a good life if you have a support system and decent material conditions.
So basically yes, everyone can change, but you cant change everything. You can't always change by yourself. You can't always change without adequate resources. You can't decide when or how long the change will take place. I truly believe humans are maleable and adaptable, we can learn and unlearn skills and thought patterns. Its just a huge pain in the ass to start though lol.
 
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overmorrow

overmorrow

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Oct 15, 2024
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I doubt people change, they only show more of who they tried to hide
 
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WakingNightmare

WakingNightmare

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May 1, 2025
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People can definitely change, they can even change massively within short periods of time. That sort of thing is unusual though, what is much more likely is seeing people change gradually over periods of time.
The easiest observation of this is think of a child changing to an adult, the same person but completely different. You've probably also seen people who get addicted to food, drugs etc change or people who come into wealth change. These are the common things, and you tend to see moreso people changing for the worse because it is easier.

But, it's also possible for someone to change for the better, and changing gradually is the easier way. For example like you I eat poorly, my biggest barriers are having to leave the house and spending effort to cook.
I could force myself to go shopping and cook daily but its unlikely I would stick to that because it's such a big leap from where I am now. Making a smaller change like spending extra time to buy groceries if I am already out would be more realistic even though it seems like a tiny step towards eating healthy. Once that is your new baseline you can work on pushing yourself further.

The problem is being depressed makes it hard to even do something small. I guess to answer your original question you could argue that some people will never change as they were put on this earth with too little willpower or too much depression
 
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