Discussion Do you go to hell after ctb?

[lpdsvm]

It all sounds transactional. I don't want that anymore. That's the reason I want to CTB..
I don't think there is god with a bar code scanner. Beep. Here is the bill. Pay for your sins.

 

[hdead]

Maybe you're a scammer.

Are you here on some self-righteous journey to project your beliefs on people? Remember, only God can judge.

I want to add: It all sounds transactional. I don't want that anymore. That's the reason I want to CTB..
I don't think there is god with a bar code scanner. Beep. Here is the bill. Pay for your sins.

I feel like if there is indeed a God then all sins could be forgiven. But yeah, I agree, it does sound a bit transactional. There's also a lack of real truth in the world. It feels like we're stuck in a web of lies and the truth is hard to find without. Once you're true within the world outside just appears darker each day.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

In a word: NO.

 

[Lost in a Dream]

Well, don't talk about this subject then, if you don't want to listen to these points of view which, by the way, weren't made up by me, but by figures within the Church.

Right the figures in the church made it up. At least you admit it dipshit.

Anyway I'm done with you. Get lost.

I hate to tell you this, but you are confused... It is not God who is tormenting you... but the Evil One.

I hate to tell you this but YOU are confused... GOD is the evil one.

 

[LastDayOnEarth]

If I go to hell I dont care tbh

 

[NoFear]

I don't believe in hell, it honestly feels like a concept invented just to scare people. Besides, the logic of eternal torture doesn't make any sense to me. In fact, I don't think it even matters what you did in this life. Maybe everything was just meant to be, and we were all just riding along, hopefully learning something. Maybe the real question is whether this life is better than the afterlife. No one alive can answer that, but we all die eventually, and then we'll find out.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

there is no hell no afterlife, reincarnation, soul ... none of that ever .

1 micro-second after the brain dies it's Non-Existence forever.

A human is just an animal , cells , chemical reactions, a machine, , cells the same cells as other animals.

it is in this evil life that a human or animal can be tortured continuously for years, as of now for 80 years every second the worst torture . and they are trying to extend life so in the near future they might be able to keep a human alive for hundreds of years continuously suffering every second the worst pain . the brain has the capacity for unending constant continuous unbearable pain. but only while alive.

if someone is in excruciating continuous pain then Death is the escape to Non-Existence forever.

Eternal Non-Existence is the only guarantee of never being in unbearable pain.

All Life on Earth Comes From One Single Ancestor. And It's So Much Older Than We Thought.

Scientists have pushed back LUCA’s origin by hundreds of millions of years.

www.popularmechanics.com

A human is the same cells as are other animals , all cells are basically the same, all have the same fundamental machinery DNA, ribosomes, generic code, ATP, RNA, etc :

The Universal Features of Cells on Earth - Molecular Biology of the Cell - NCBI Bookshelf

 

[Pluto]

 

[hdead]

Why would I justify staying alive when there's no hope? I'm doomed sooner or later.

One can always try.

But that video brought me some comfort, so thank you for sharing that.

 

[lpdsvm]

One can always try.

But that video brought me some comfort, so thank you for sharing that.

Sure.
But it's up to how you feel. No pressure.
Some even beg god to die by a specific date.

 

[Ikkuna]

All Abrahamic religions would say yes

 

[FuneralCry]

The only hell is this horrific, dreadful world where there is all this endless torture and suffering with no limit as to how much agony one can feel, to suffer in this existence will always be an abomination to me and it's just so terrible how this existence was imposed at all.

All I believe death to be is the peace of non-existence where this existence I just always saw as the most terrible mistake is finally all gone and forgotten with no more suffering and no matter what I'll just always prefer to not exist than be burdened with this existence so terrible and torturous. I'll always see existence as the problem, all that existence ever does is just torture existing beings all for the sake of it, I just want to never suffer ever again, non-existence really is all I could ever see as positive, I'd only ever be relieved to finally be free from the torturous burden of existing.

 

[Lost in a Dream]

If I go to hell I dont care tbh

Why don't you care? Why would you wish torture on yourself like that? No one deserve hell period.

 

[FF777]

i firmly believe in spirit world and that we are conscious energy that still survives after physical death from this earth.. my belief is that you will be just fine and will still be conscious (in spirit world) and there isn't going to be any one judging you.. you carve your own path and destiny in this universe..

but any way i just posted some thing about this a few minutes ago in an other thread so i'll just copy/paste my yap here now:

i'll preface this with a disclaimer: these are just my personal beliefs and i'm not trying to offend any one and christians are generally cool and nice people and my whole family is christian........ (except me and my sister)..

Any way, the thing that bothers me the most about christianity is that god supposedly loves you a huge amount but then if he decides you didn't muster up enough and pass his test he punishes you for literally eternity and never gives you a second chance ever again.. what kind of love is that?.. like you are sitting there in firey torment for 999999999999 years and then you ask god "hey i've learned a lot during these 9 billion years burning and screaming, and i realize i made some mistakes; can i have some mercy now some how?" and god is like "nope, you need to suffer longer"........... Even a human court/judge that convicted a 1st-degree serial murderer would maybe give them like 30 or 40 or 100 life-times worth of prison sentence, but it wouldn't be infinity years, you know? To my mind infinite punishment should only be dealt out if infinite pain/damage was caused, but nothing causes infinite pain for ever, so the people screaming in heck for eternity need to be given a second chance in my opinion..

so, my personal belief is that (well first of all i should state that you shouldn't CTB if you don't absolutely have to, but it's your prerogative), people that CTB are fine and are back in spirit world which is their natural habitat.. And so, i'm probably going to CTB here in about approximately a week and it is intimidating but i'm not like actually super depressed about it or that scared (maybe slightly scared because i don't know what death etc is going to feel like experiencing that, but not super scared)..

i wanted to add, for any christians on here, i THINK that one of my christian friends told me that in the bible there was some one who caught the bus and still ended up going to heaven.. but i don't remember which story that was or who it is in the bible that did that so i can't be sure about the accuracy of it but you guys can look in to it if you want to..

 

[Macedonian1987]

I personally believe that when someone commits suicide out of desperation and imense suffering, he or she is forgiven by God.

i firmly believe in spirit world and that we are conscious energy that still survives after physical death from this earth.. my belief is that you will be just fine and will still be conscious (in spirit world) and there isn't going to be any one judging you.. you carve your own path and destiny in this universe..

but any way i just posted some thing about this a few minutes ago in an other thread so i'll just copy/paste my yap here now:

i'll preface this with a disclaimer: these are just my personal beliefs and i'm not trying to offend any one and christians are generally cool and nice people and my whole family is christian........ (except me and my sister)..

Any way, the thing that bothers me the most about christianity is that god supposedly loves you a huge amount but then if he decides you didn't muster up enough and pass his test he punishes you for literally eternity and never gives you a second chance ever again.. what kind of love is that?.. like you are sitting there in firey torment for 999999999999 years and then you ask god "hey i've learned a lot during these 9 billion years burning and screaming, and i realize i made some mistakes; can i have some mercy now some how?" and god is like "nope, you need to suffer longer"........... Even a human court/judge that convicted a 1st-degree serial murderer would maybe give them like 30 or 40 or 100 life-times worth of prison sentence, but it wouldn't be infinity years, you know? To my mind infinite punishment should only be dealt out if infinite pain/damage was caused, but nothing causes infinite pain for ever, so the people screaming in heck for eternity need to be given a second chance in my opinion..

so, my personal belief is that (well first of all i should state that you shouldn't CTB if you don't absolutely have to, but it's your prerogative), people that CTB are fine and are back in spirit world which is their natural habitat.. And so, i'm probably going to CTB here in about approximately a week and it is intimidating but i'm not like actually super depressed about it or that scared (maybe slightly scared because i don't know what death etc is going to feel like experiencing that, but not super scared)..

i wanted to add, for any christians on here, i THINK that one of my christian friends told me that in the bible there was some one who caught the bus and still ended up going to heaven.. but i don't remember which story that was or who it is in the bible that did that so i can't be sure about the accuracy of it but you guys can look in to it if you want to..

I agree with you. All sins even the ones from serial killers are finite in their cruelty, so they deserve a finite punishment, not an infinite one.

 

[Myforevercharlie]

The hell that awaits after death is far worse, and it is eternal... if you go there, you will regret not having carried on living on Earth.

If that's what you believe, absolutely fine.
But don't go telling it as a fact .

Scaring people with things no one knows for certain is not cool.

 

[hmnow]

More likely a compost bin

 

[Endlichkeit]

It could be worse than going to hell, you could be reincarnated in this reality again. You don't have to believe in metaphysical concepts such as the soul to consider this possibility. Death simply means the erasure of a stable informational pattern that you call "you". But brains or similar systems will reappear in this reality and experience suffering over and over again. In a sense, you have already died and been reincarnated many times. Is the 6 year-old version of you the same person as you are now? The boundaries of "you" are quite loose, so it makes more sense to identify with (the systems with) subjective experience as a phenomenon, so you are this phenomenon, and it appears again and again, and there's probably no escape from it.

 

[isthisit?]

You should be reported and banned for saying something so horrible. If what you're even saying is true, that just proves how evil God is. Screw you.

No, it just proves how much we rebel from god. Also, freedom of speech here is the only thing keeping thing place from becoming an echo-chamber
So your response is "nah, my opinion is better"

 

[The Eternal One]

Another thing you could try searching for ease of mind is rare cases of hell-like NDEs.
They all have a common pattern of people finding themselves in "hell" (very over-the-top stereotypical one, which adds proof to the fact it's merely a thought construct imposed on us by the Matrix) but then calling higher power for help, focusing on "good" things, such as love and light, and immediately escaping it.
The world after death is similar to the world of dreams and astral - it's responsive to your inner state and is informed by your previous life experiences. The moment you change your focus towards something positive and enjoyable you escape whatever tornment you find yourself in. There's no such thing as eternal torture after death, because nothing exists outside of you, and you're eternal peace, harmony, bliss and neutrality.


Also, you can try searching for NDEs by suicidal people specifically. The absolute majority of them are just as blissful and peaceful as non-suicidal ones.
There's no abrahamic god to judge you after death. You're always the one judging yourself.

 

[Hollowman]

No

 

[xXiloveyouXx]

Id like to believe that if there is a hell that it's empty

 

[no mas]

There are 2 things stopping me from ctb... Ease of method and the afterlife. I wont go over ease of method in this post, maybe another. But I want to discuss the afterlife right now.

I am an atheist and I have no reason to believe in hell, but I cannot get it off my mind. Maybe its because I grew up as a Christian. I am horrified that I might suffer even more than I already am by trying to escape. How could a God be so cruel?

I just want logic or reassurance that I will not go to hell after I ctb. Why would God punish me for exercising my rights? I don't know, for some reason it still plagues me. I cannot get it out of my head and I am very anxious.

HEL-L-OOooo Can Ya gO?.WE-l-COme IN RelAx in HEavenly HeLL-OOh, No, no, no....NOOooo!

 

[Lost in a Dream]

No, it just proves how much we rebel from god. Also, freedom of speech here is the only thing keeping thing place from becoming an echo-chamber
So your response is "nah, my opinion is better"

We have every right to rebel against God. He's nothing but an evil, cosmic dictator. What I said isn't an opinion, it's a fact, but you just refuse to accept it.

Besides, even if we rebel, what right does this bastard have to torture us forever for it huh? Never ending torment? Is that seriously what you consider to be justice?

 

[cursedlife]

Have any church figure tell you about it.

Jesus didn't die for your sins , he certainly wasn't the Messiah and definitely not god , he didn't fulfill a single messianic prophecy , the bible is full of contradictions

 

[itsgone2]

I just want logic or reassurance that I will not go to hell after I ctb. Why would God punish me for exercising my rights? I don't know, for some reason it still plagues me. I cannot get it out of my head and I am very anxious.

It's a myth that most religions say suicide leads to hell. There are many that teach exceptions for mental illness for example.
As some have said it is for God to judge. And hell has been described as an absence from God, which would be awful but not the fire often described. Which, I already feel unfortunately.
It's an understandable fear. Maybe nothing awaits us. Maybe bliss. But something worse? It's a frightening thought.

 

[fadedghost]

Your response doesn't merit a reply, but just to enlighten you a bit: the Holy Scriptures exist, and scholars say all this not me.

The term "religious scholar" is like saying "illiterate writer." Scholarship and religion are incompatible. All religious documents are factually wrong and logically inconsistent.

Even if you believe the devil put dinosaur bones here and is tricking everyone into believing the earth wasn't made in 7 days, what about all the mutually exclusive parts that contradict each other? No one genuinely logical and scholastic could also be religious.

"Religious scholarship" is like giving a gold star for participation at a dyslexia spelling bee.

Life is so incredibly cruel and punishing, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if there was some sort of evil gotcha moment after death. I feel like it would be a bit too easy if you could just kill yourself and escape this curse.

I feel like this sums up how I feel. Like could god exist and be so sadisic and cruel he would create me just to suffer in hell? yeah, i believe that's possible.

And having experienced severe pain in my last attempt, if i knew for sure that awaited me i wouldn't ctb and just do whatever this sadistic deity wanted...

But I am guessing god doesn't exist. And if god is all knowing, and knew the trajectory of my existence anyway and created me with this trajectory, then... if i end up in hell it was always destined.

But life has been so awful, it wouldn't surprise me that much if there were some gotcha moment at the end that was even worse.

 

[WishfulNeanderthal]

There is no hell in my opinion, there is no logical reasoning for hell. Hell implies people chose to be on this earth, had actual control over all the little things and big things that influence our choices, that we have control over our very own brain chemistry and genetics, only then can a person be known as "voluntarily evil", and that implies free will which brings up a whole load of different issues.
Hell in its concept of eternal torture goes against the core idea of "god being loving" in christianity, judaism and islam. (Albeit, i do not agree that god is "loving" in abrahamic religions, but still).

If a god exists and decides to punish people for circumstances that they have not chosen nor control, then the game was rigged from the start and that god is a sadist.


The concept for hell is lllogical and in my opinion the furthest from what anyone could believe logically. Suicide being a sin and the idea of sin in general falls into the aforementioned issues. I would say, do not worry (i do hope you find other alternatives than suicide though)

 

[notsosillybilly]

what kind of higher being would punish those in so much pain who commit suicide and put them in hell?

love you for this

 

[never mind me]

There is a saying: "Not God created man. But man created God." As a fellow atheist (or agnostic, who chooses to assume there is no God out of convenience) I believe this to be very true. In any case, if God did exist it would be a cruel bastard to allow all this suffering on earth that mostly hurts people who have never done anything to deserve it. And he would be even more of a bastard to punish people who are not willing to endure this suffering any longer with hell. I wouldn't consider such a person a God. Maybe you could call him satan or something of the like. Besides it seems quite unlogical that we would have an afterlife at all. At least in a way that we can remember our earlier life and have a connection with the person we were. Of course our atoms can eventually form new living things like being part of a worm that eats our corpse or part of a plant that grows on our grave, but then these atoms won't have any conscience of our former life. Almost nobody seems to think about a former life we had before we were born. It seems weird to think that life has to continue after we die, if we assume that we have not been alive before being born (or before being conceived to be more precise)