Discussion Do you believe in fate?

[ma0]

I used to believe that every single one of my problems was my fault entirely, constructed from misuse of my own free will... but now I'm not so sure.

I guess what I mean by "fate" is: Do you think there is any possible thing you could've done to prevent the situation you're in now? Or were your circumstances predetermined since your conception?

I'm starting to believe that, no matter what I could've possible said or did in the past, it would've all led to the same outcome. I'm curious to hear some other thoughts on this though.

Also, if fate is real, then having me be destined to CTB is an incredibly cruel, sick joke.

 

[Darkover]

how much are we deterministic and how much freedom of choice we have is debatable
events happen randomly that we have no more control over than we would if they were predetermined

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Defintely not.

 

[Pale_Rider]

Fate exists to a certain extent. yes we can maneuver obstacles, but yeah we can be sabotaged from the very beginning. I have DID. I was beaten from a young age. How could I counter that to ensure a sound mind? Thats fate. What do I do with that when society decrys me as less then?

 

[Darkover]

i don't think all of life was predetermined i however believe that the creation of life was predetermined set out by the laws of physics conditions for life's emergence were inevitable, even though the specific path of evolution afterward is not

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I don't believe in supernatural fate.

i'm just an animal , cells, a machine, chemical reactions . who or what would write a script to make a machine do something, why would a machine a bug doing something matter to the universe or to some supernatural being that doesn't exist

nothing matters. the only things that matter to me are me avoiding unbearable pain and my suicide asap.

what else could matter in 150 years? in 500 years? In 10,000 years? in a trillion years? nothing.

to me the only significant things are those that can cause me extreme suffering or unbearable pain. nothing else matters to me except avoiding unbearable pain and my suicide asap.

i saw a crow yesterday at the gas station. it was so smart . i just said that is me . there is no difference .it's horrible how this brain tricks me into thinking i'm smart or something important or something at all except just a torture chamber.

the way the crow i saw took a box of thrown away fast food out of the garbage .laid it out and opened the hinge knowing how the hinge top of the box worked to open it , and many other things i can't describe or really remember.

i had seen this video long ago. but seeing a crow in person further proved to me how smart they are.

imo there is no difference between life and not life as they are both chemical reactions ,machines , atoms.

the only difference is a sentient or conscoius animal like me can suffer unending constant unbearable pain , i'm a brain that can suffer unending constant unbearable pain.




from my point of view i'm the center of the universe. but if you zoom out i'm just a bug but i can suffer extremely .

 

[Namelesa]

I do believe we are all determined to do whatever we do from the start as everything that happens including your way of thinking and what you do is cause of everything in the past. To me free will is allusion.

 

[Withered]

I believe that there are many environmental aspects of our lives that restrict us to certain paths in life. If you are born poor, you will probably stay poor. If you are born in Iraq, you will probably be Muslim. If you are adopted, you will probably be unable to escape the psychological impediments that come with it.

So I don't believe in a guaranteed, deterministic fate, per se, but I do believe that people rarely escape their paths.

 

[Darkover]

I do believe we are all determined to do whatever we do from the start as everything that happens including your way of thinking and what you do is cause of everything in the past. To me free will is allusion.

I clearly understand that my thoughts and decisions have some certain cause, they are just the inevitable consequence of the knowledge my brain accumulated during my life and physical properties of the brain. I didn't choose how my brain works, and I didn't choose the environment which gives me the knowledge about the reality. My choice doesn't appear out of nowhere; whenever I try to choose something, I already have to rely on some previously obtained knowledge and hope that my brain will be able to produce a good decision.

 

[Stan Swiftie]

GOD cursed us with life. GOD cursed us with mental illnesses. GOD cursed us with sin. GOD cursed us with free will. GOD cursed us with Satan, His menacing servant. GOD made us what we are, then punishes us for being that way. BLAME GOD! EVERYTHING IS ON HIM!

 

[Grav]

No, don't believe in fate or karma.

 

[Dusk till dawn]

No i don't believe in fate, but the state i'm in, that was certainly predetermined since my birth, maybe if i didn't challenge societal norms and kept living under the shallow excuse of religion and cultural beliefs and blissfully believing "it gets better"

But honestly, i'd rather die young than live a shallow life full of mediocrity, lies, dogma, and wishful thinking mixed with blissful ignorance, i'm content with my choice, i don't think there was anything i could've done other than avoiding to confront reality and continue living in the shallow empty delusions of religion and cultural beliefs and societal norms, so long as i refuse to believe in delusions and fiction, i'd be an outcast, always, there is nothing i could do other than coming to terms with reality and accept that there is nothing for me, no future, no friends, no family, no purpose or goal, nothing other than a life of mediocrity and loneliness as a outcast, i've cut ties with my friends and family a long time ago when i realised they'd be better off without me, it's not like there could have been a place or a reality in which i find solace and comfort in some community, it's just that i was born in the wrong place and there isn't anything i could've done to make a difference.

 

[seizmic_purple]

On a cognitive level, definitely not. On an emotional level, I tend to let myself be carried away sometimes by such thoughts. But I found that the former can become more impactful than I thought it could, and I perceive that I am less and less emotionally engaged with this idea.

 

[-nobodyknows-]

I do

 

[mydeadflowers]

I don't think events are predetermined, but I always think of how environmental factors will almost certainly play a role in determining how one develops. I try not to judge people too hard for that very reason since I feel like everyone is a victim of circumstance when it comes to certain aspects of their life.

I definitely could've avoided certain mistakes throughout my own life though. Even if people say that the mental position I'm in today isn't due to any fault of mine, I'll never be able to believe them. There are times when I'm faced with major decisions and I'm unsure of which one to choose. I like to believe that the choices I think especially hard about involving the happiness of me and those around me are what will lead me and those people to a brighter future, but sometimes it just happens to result in the exact opposite.

I tend to rationalize my surroundings as random occurrence that ended up having a domino effect into the present day. I feel a lot more weight when it comes to my own actions though since it's a lot more difficult to dismiss the actions I take as nothing but fate.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

With the best will in the world, I cannot imagine how free will could work. Our brain is governt by the laws of nature and that means determination or quantum coincidence. The free will is part of our mind and our mind seems to me not completly different and independend from our brain. So, there is no space for a free will in my eyes, it must be an illussion. This means, there is also no space for guilt, responsibility and moral.

 

[other-ghost]

i do believe in it

 

[hang in there]

I used to believe that every single one of my problems was my fault entirely, constructed from misuse of my own free will... but now I'm not so sure.

I guess what I mean by "fate" is: Do you think there is any possible thing you could've done to prevent the situation you're in now? Or were your circumstances predetermined since your conception?

I'm starting to believe that, no matter what I could've possible said or did in the past, it would've all led to the same outcome. I'm curious to hear some other thoughts on this though.

Also, if fate is real, then having me be destined to CTB is an incredibly cruel, sick joke.

I believe in fate, luck, and serendipity. I used to fiercely believe in the concept of free will, but over the years learning from experience and academia, that has faded almost to nothing.
I think a large majority of people are basically automatons. Genetics is the bullet and their circumstances pull the trigger. Some people are so predictable in their reactions and choices that it's almost scripted. Most people do not have the willpower to overcome their default emotions and thoughts. They simply do not have the neurological makeup to steer their boat. They are like animals, driven by neurotransmitters and the basest of impulses, no initiative or insight to their own behaviors.
The few people who are able to take the reins and control their own life and destiny are the lucky ones. That is, at that point the outcomes of their decisions are entirely at the whims of the goddess Fortuna. She decides whether to smile upon them and reward their hard work, or to capriciously punish them despite all they've done right. It is important to revere her and to acknowledge the real helplessness one experiences in this life. It keeps one humble. Nothing is taken for granted and even in the worst most violent storms she may change her mind suddenly and have mercy.
But those people who are able to reach that level of reality are not entirely at the whims of their animal nature nor that of others. They can still try, and succeed, most of the time, if they make good decicions.
It is just a tenuous grasp on success and no one wins in the end.

 

[Forever Sleep]

When I'm feeling frightened or, something especially bad has happened, I try to trick/ reassure myself that it was fated to bring something better along. It's like a coping mechanism I suppose. To be fair, some things have worked out like that. I could potentially look back and say- that bad thing ended up setting me on a better course. But then, who's to say fate is always nice? Maybe some of us are fated to get all the shit all the time!

Really though, I think at multiple moments in time, we make decisions. Some things are out of our control but then, a lot is also cause and effect.

Overall, I don't really like the idea of fate. I think it's too generous to the most heinous crimals to say they didn't have a choice in committing them. Ok, circumstances, genes, upbringing etc. may make some people more likely to do heinous things but, it removes all responsibility when we say it's all fate. Same goes for people who do really well. If it's all fated, why give them any credit? If they don't get credit for the things they achieve- will they still bother to achieve them?

When I'm feeling lazy, I like to hope fate will take care of me in a kind, nurturing way but- that's not my experience. Most of what I've got in life, I've had to actively pursue- one way or another.

 

[hsjhd]

Fate is fixed, but luck is not. It can be changed

 

[soonnotkoei]

fate is a concept made up to reassure oneself that there's nothing you couldve done to have things a different way. infact there is always something that we could've done do make things different. but whether those things are possible or not, or we do them or not; that is a different debate.

 

[L9 CHOCOIRL]

I used to believe that every single one of my problems was my fault entirely, constructed from misuse of my own free will... but now I'm not so sure.

I guess what I mean by "fate" is: Do you think there is any possible thing you could've done to prevent the situation you're in now? Or were your circumstances predetermined since your conception?

I'm starting to believe that, no matter what I could've possible said or did in the past, it would've all led to the same outcome. I'm curious to hear some other thoughts on this though.

Also, if fate is real, then having me be destined to CTB is an incredibly cruel, sick joke.

I don't believe in fate.
The idea that some people are doomed to fail and some are meant to succeed is stupid to me
Ultimately, you CAN do what you want to do if you put your all into it
Whether you're someone with no friends, someone seen as a joke, someone who came from nothing
You can do whatever you can with enough hard work.

 

[apict]

I have chosen to believe in Free Will. Therefore I do not believe in fate. However, we often do not control the circumstances we find ourselves in, in which case we are free to react to those circumstances however we may choose.

With the best will in the world, I cannot imagine how free will could work. Our brain is governt by the laws of nature and that means determination or quantum coincidence. The free will is part of our mind and our mind seems to me not completly different and independend from our brain. So, there is no space for a free will in my eyes, it must be an illussion. This means, there is also no space for guilt, responsibility and moral.

"Brain" is only the extremely limited physical manifestation of our more multidimensional "mind". So yes, mind is very different from brain. But even if Mind is as you say "not completely different" from brain, that leaves room for free will. It is fate that is an illusion. Because the situations we find ourselves in can be the result of other people's choices, we are NOT responsible for those situations. We are free to react to them. And we ARE responsible for how we react to them. So, sorry, you can not use fate as your excuse for evil .

 

[Valhala]

This (regarding predestination or "fate") is actually so damn true and at the same time the answer to the question. Of course everything is determined by a strict Causa finalis in the Aristotelian sense, if we had the perceptive capabilities for a complete view of all relevant determinants everything would become clear by itself.

 

[Bootleg Astolfo]

Fate ? APOCRYPHA ? HELL YEAH BABY, IT GAVE US THIS

 

[SmilingNoMore]

The further I go on this suicidal path, the more I believe that one thing leads to another which brings me back to the same thing. Almost like "all roads lead to Rome". I may have good days, but something keeps on steering me back towards the same "goal" to ctb. It's like I crossed a line when ctb became the only logical option left, and there's no turning back. I left my country to survive mentally, which resulted in me being broke and jobless. Since then, moved to yet another country for a job and thankfully should have money for SN I wanted to purchase from the beginning. Ironically, where I find myself now, SN is easier to obtain compared to in my country of origin. But somehow, I still believe that if I could go back in time and redo some things before crossing the line to ctb, I may have prevented all of this from happening. I guess what I'm saying is once we're on a specific path, the choices that follow are limited to what's been done and decided already and it may be pointless or impossible to get out of the spiral depending on how far we've gone already.

 

[sadpigeon]

i think that i was destined to be a fuck up, physically and mentally. i don't have any redeeming physical factors to justify my horrific looks. if there is a god, he is laughing at me

 

[SmilingNoMore]

Just came across this and it made me think of destiny and fate. Although a bit optimistic for me, I find Bob's view on free will and determinism quite interesting.

Bob Marley: ‘Every man gotta right to decide his own destiny.’

Every man gotta right to decide his own destiny.Bob Marley, the legendary Jamaican musician, once said, “Every man gotta right to decide his own destiny.” This powerful quote encapsulat…

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[Griever]

Somehow yes, but somehow not, does that make sense?

 

[sdnlidnc]

Before I came to this forum, I didn't believe in fate, but this thing happened. Everything in the past has led me to this present moment. Isn't it truly destined?
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