Consciousness makes no sense

[Oneiron]

Why do we experience something? Why we are aware of our thoughts, emotions and actions? Its not required to guide the body for purposeful movements that ensure survival because people that are unconscious (during sleep walking or epileptic seizure) can perfom complex tasks without having subjective experience. The feeling of pain and every other emotion is also completly useless. Its argued that emotions modifies behavior, for example doing things that makes happy. But thats not the case. Wanting and emotions are processed separately. Best example is nicotine. It makes you to want its consumption, even if this not lead to a subjective feeling of happiness. The same is with pain. It would be enough for survival that painful stimuli leads to an action that avoids that stimuli, there is no need to feel pain. This all make no sense to me.

 

[AnxiousLife]

Consciousness is very interesting. I also do not understand the need for pain, moreover without some sort of ceiling for it. I don't get it why do we have consciousness, if there is a possibility of experiencing anything negative and if we aren't able to comfortably and safely fulfill all of our wants and needs and have to suffer due to it. Consciousness may also be a prison for a lot of people who suffer every day, essentially because of it

 

[DerBopo]

Consciousness is just us being aware of existing. Its a quirk in the brain that stems from being intelligent creatures. Everything you actively experience and think about is done within your Prefrontalcortex (PFC). So being aware of Consciousness and your experience is fault to that part of the brain analyzing itself. It exists for complex reasoning, its evolution trying to make you be adaptable to problems you havent faced yet and come up with solutions to problems by simulating possible solutions.
The emotions you feel is just your PFC analyzing stimuli. It feels that way because thats simply how that stimuli is experienced. When thinking of Animals experiencing stimuli we might forget they also FEEL those emotions. And by going down to lower and lower lifeforms you realize, we cant define emotions. You need subjective experience for emotions and you suffer because your PFC is smart enough to analyze said subjective experience, so your emotions influence your emotions basically.

Nicotine is a bad example because its an inverse operation, you dont want nicotine because it makes you happy. You want it because you CANT feel happy without it. Thats what being physically dependent IS.

In conclusion, Consciousness stems from being aware of our own intelligence. (Or it is perhaps experience of being aware. Cant tell and wont bother because there probably isnt a real factual answer.)

 

[Ricoshay]

Life itself doesn't make any sense. You look at nature/wildlife and it's nothing but brutality. What's the point of all the suffering? Human natures are just an extension of that. At our base form humans are just self-hating, furless, over-sentient apes with grandiose delusions. They are self hating, because if you call someone an ape or animal, most will be insulted, when it's a biological fact. Hence why most humans are delusional. I think the world would be a better place if everybody just accepted they were animals/apes and throw away the brainwashed narratives of being "suprerior", when 90% of humans are literally exploited wage slaves for their masters, that's nothing to be proud about. Honestly, humans are just bigger ants with more awareness, same structure, same hierarchy etc.
Humans are just the cruelest evolutionaty joke of nature. If the most "advanced" is the most destructive to have ever graced the Earth, then it follows that Mother nature itself is all about cruelty (by human definition). Hence why the cruellest humans are on top of the world in their trillion dollar glass towers. I also think humans would be better off living a tribal life and just being one with nature. 99.5% live very artificial lives. Our ancestors simply formed groups, hunted together, and looked up to the stars at night. Life has become too complicated, that's why loneliness and suicide rates are on the rise globally. I believe people feel pain, because life is about suffering. Everything people do is about filing a void and being distracted from the suffering around us; whether that is with friends, entertainment, food, hygiene etc. There is no point making sense of it, but just accept the baseline of the world is to suffer.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

over hundreds of millions of years evolution evolved the brain into an extreme torture chamber

only the animals and humans that could suffer the worst unbearable pain survived long enough to pass on their genes.

for example there are 3 siblings. #1 can't feel the pain of cold wind thirst or hunger. won't survive long cause cold or dehydration kills fast.

#3 can feel pain intensely so that thirst or cold wind is unbearable another second. this one would seek shelter immediately and do everything work extremely hard to stay away from cold and to get food and water. so this one survived longer and was more likely to have offspring.

over 100s of millions of years the pain became worse . always the animal or humans that could suffer pain the worst wold survive every generation.

these are our ancestors

hence what I and a human is : a brain that can suffer undending constant unbearable pain

 

[explosiveKai99]

over hundreds of millions of years evolution evolved the brain into an extreme torture chamber

only the animals and humans that could suffer the worst unbearable pain survived long enough to pass on their genes.

hence what I and a human is : a brain that can suffer undending constant unbearable pain

Lol, I love pessimism of this post.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

Consciousness is probably an inevitable side-effect if complex structures emerge. It has no function.

 

[wehamuho]

idk... but i hate it. if at least the pain couldnt be the worst imaginable & the biggest pleasure didnt pale to it i would not mind its mostly bad & a grind & even not worth it. but this is just too much shit. life demanded way 2 fuckin much i lost respect for it. and the worst is people defend and praise it!! hahaha what is this clown world yeah no matter how much more evil there is they always have an excuse & denial, consciousness doesnt have a justification

 

[Sunset Limited]

Sorry for my english translated.

At its core, the problem is the fragile nature of existence. Everything made of this material is destined to slowly decay and die. The universe itself is sick. Entropy. One day everything will end (the thermal death of the universe).

I've always been amazed by people claiming that God exists. How could a God work with such a wretched material? To imprison a suffering consciousness in a material inherently diseased, mortal? It seems absurd to me. So cruel and sadistic. They believe that a God who makes bears eat gazelles alive, a mother bird throws her chick out of the nest, who plans and watches all the living things he created—devouring, killing each other, and dying from disease, hunger, and suffering—could advise people to have mercy and be kind!

None of this was planned. We are, by the very nature of the matter that makes up the universe, inevitable motifs that will emerge. No consciousness at the level of "God" would sign off on such a foolish scenario. We are the most wretched of all living things. Only we are aware that there is no salvation, no hope, that what is happening has no meaning! We are a self-critique of the inherent evil nature of existence. As L'absent says, "the human brain is a paradox that evolved to challenge its own mortality, meaninglessness, and absurd existence." We are a biological accident.

 

[Tired_birth_1967]

Many people will spend their lives searching for answers. The few lines in this topic offer a summary of what can be achieved rationally. Each individual can add something, or elaborate and develop ideas based on this, but this is the foundation. It is what we have; it is what we are. Personally, I do not believe it is possible to go much beyond this—after more than sixty years of experience, extensive reading, and deep reflection, it always comes back to this foundation.