Carbon monoxide vs nitrogen

[homeboundcripple]

anyone else favour carbon monoxide via charcoal tent over nitrogen with exit bag?

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I would prefer CO bc I don't wanna die with a mask/hood on my face.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

The hood, or even an exit bag, wouldn't be as bad as a mask, I think, for inert gas. But, I don't like some of the stories from witnesses to executions that have happened recently here in the states. It's been reported that the subjects have taken 20 minutes, maybe more, to reach unconsciousness, all the while their bodies flailing wildly about and convulsing.

CO seems to indicate a quick road to unconsciousness, as long as the level is high enough. I like the "promise" of that. I don't like the idea of suffering, or being consciously aware of suffering, for any period of time. I think, and HOPE, that CO will emulate, as closely as possible, anyway, a death that occurs while sleeping.

 

[homeboundcripple]

The hood, or even an exit bag, wouldn't be as bad as a mask, I think, for inert gas. But, I don't like some of the stories from witnesses to executions that have happened recently here in the states. It's been reported that the subjects have taken 20 minutes, maybe more, to reach unconsciousness, all the while their bodies flailing wildly about and convulsing.

CO seems to indicate a quick road to unconsciousness, as long as the level is high enough. I like the "promise" of that. I don't like the idea of suffering, or being consciously aware of suffering, for any period of time. I think, and HOPE, that CO will emulate, as closely as possible, anyway, a death that occurs while sleeping.

If one was able to get hold of an 1970s 1980s car would you favour that over charcoal?

 

[Forveleth]

The hood, or even an exit bag, wouldn't be as bad as a mask, I think, for inert gas. But, I don't like some of the stories from witnesses to executions that have happened recently here in the states. It's been reported that the subjects have taken 20 minutes, maybe more, to reach unconsciousness, all the while their bodies flailing wildly about and convulsing.

Part of this problem is that they fight it. The sentenced person holds their breath or they try to thrash about because they don't want to die. I think this would be much more peaceful of you are going into it willingly. If I were going to try this method I would actually get something like a CPAP mask instead of trying to put a bag over my head.

You also have to remember these are prisons. They don't give a shit about giving somebody a peaceful death. They probably don't have the right equipment, setup, training, and knowledge to handle it appropriately.

 

[Intoxicated]

But, I don't like some of the stories from witnesses to executions that have happened recently here in the states. It's been reported that the subjects have taken 20 minutes, maybe more, to reach unconsciousness, all the while their bodies flailing wildly about and convulsing.

It would be very interesting to see reports of witnesses to executions performed via CO poisoning where the lethal gas would be produced using the amateur charcoal method presented on this forum.

CO seems to indicate a quick road to unconsciousness, as long as the level is high enough. I like the "promise" of that.

And what level exactly is high enough? 12800 ppm doesn't really look like a fully trustworthy value, because it looks rather like an estimation (16 x 800 ppm) than an empirical data that would be obtained by direct measurements of the CO concentration in real cases of exposure to this gas. There is way more easily searchable empirical data on how H2S, N2, or even CO2 work depending on their measured concentration or the concentration of residual oxygen than similar info on how CO acts.

It's very likely that you can induce unconsciousness quickly via making the concentration of CO as high as 50000 - 100000 ppm or above via some advanced methods (like decomposition of citric acid by sulfuric acid with further direct administration of the gas instead of allowing dissipation of CO in a big space), but the charcoal method plain sucks at producing CO at concentrations that would leave no room for concerns about their good efficacy.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Part of this problem is that they fight it. The sentence person holds their breath or they try to thrash her out because they don't want to die. I think this would be much more peaceful of you are going into it willingly. If I were going to try this method I would actually get something like a CPAP mask instead of trying to put a bag over my head.

You also have to remember these are prisons. They don't give a shit about giving somebody a peaceful death. They probably don't have the right equipment, setup, training, and knowledge to handle it appropriately.

I would expect the same reaction from "us", non prisoners. This is the reason Vizzy secured his hands and legs. Well, there are laws, at least here in the US, against cruel and unusual punishment. It's just a slow process to get an execution method banned under that guideline and it will take more than one attempt in the courts, coming at it from different ways, before that happens, if it does.

If one was able to get hold of an 1970s 1980s car would you favour that over charcoal?

Still no. I know it was the go-to way back then, and quite effective, also, but I, myself, have breathed-in a lot of exhaust fumes working on cars over the years, and it is anything other than pleasant.

 

[homeboundcripple]

I would expect the same reaction from "us", non prisoners. This is the reason Vizzy secured his hands and legs. Well, there are laws, at least here in the US, against cruel and unusual punishment. It's just a slow process to get an execution method banned under that guideline and it will take more than one attempt in the courts, coming at it from different ways, before that happens, if it does.

Still no. I know it was the go-to way back then, and quite effective, also, but I, myself, have breathed-in a lot of exhaust fumes working on cars over the years, and it is anything other than pleasant.

Thanks for your replies lock n loaded, much appreciated