Carbon Monoxide Method?

[bellaisdonewithlife]

Just out here struggling and thinking about gassing myself outta here. Anyone know if there's info on this site about the carbon monoxide method? I assume it's probably as close to a painless death as you can get. Also, anyone in Vancouver or nearby on here?

 

[Praestat_Mori]

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[Chronic]

You can purchase a gas canister online, sold as a calibration gas, that is 20% carbon monoxide and 80% nitrogen that will work. I personally wouldn't try the charcoal carbon monoxide method. Nembutal is obviously the preferred method but is unattainable by most. Carbon monoxide is what Kevorkian resorted to and his assistant says it was peaceful and painless.

 

[bellaisdonewithlife]

Dang man. It would be nice to find something more lethal like maybe hydrogen cyanide or something along those lines. I'm a baby so if I'd see I'm getting nauseous or getting a headache from carbon monoxide I'd probably get out of the area immediately.

 

[itsgone2]

You can purchase a gas canister online, sold as a calibration gas, that is 20% carbon monoxide and 80% nitrogen that will work.

Maybe I missed something but I've not seen this method before. Do you have more information?

 

[kurgan]

I personally wouldn't try the charcoal carbon monoxide method.

Why not?

 

[I_go_in]

You can purchase a gas canister online, sold as a calibration gas, that is 20% carbon monoxide and 80% nitrogen that will work. I personally wouldn't try the charcoal carbon monoxide method. Nembutal is obviously the preferred method but is unattainable by most. Carbon monoxide is what Kevorkian resorted to and his assistant says it was peaceful and painless.

I recently read a thread of a young lady from the UK back in 2018 who successfully did CaO in her tent. Over a couple of days she didn't get it just right and kept waking up alive with no symptoms so she bought a new tent. She posted all the way up to the point where she took her final rest and at no point was she panicked or scared. She fell asleep and never woke up. You can find the news article if you look. Seems pretty darn peaceful to me if you do it right. It just took her some trial and error.

Dang man. It would be nice to find something more lethal like maybe hydrogen cyanide or something along those lines. I'm a baby so if I'd see I'm getting nauseous or getting a headache from carbon monoxide I'd probably get out of the area immediately.

I wish I could direct you to the thread I mentioned in my above post. The girl was posting coherently the entire time without complaining of symptoms. She did however drink a little bit. Fell asleep and didn't wake up. Charcoal in tent method in a camp ground. Based on her posts it didn't seem traumatic at all. Just said "I'm getting sleepy, hopefully this is it." And that was that. News articles confirmed it.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

To make CO peaceful, you need to create an environment where the CO level is very high, 10,000 ppm, or more. Ideally, you want to become unconscious quickly, like within a few breaths, so as not to experience all the unwanted symptoms that go along with lower-level CO exposure.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Maybe I missed something but I've not seen this method before. Do you have more information?

How to Kill Yourself Using the Inhalation of Carbon Monoxide Gas

Practical instruction on how to kill yourself using the inhalation of carbon monoxide gas

www.jerryhunt.org

 

[Intoxicated]

Nembutal is obviously the preferred method but is unattainable by most.

I'd rather prefer CO to Nembutal, since the former is likely better in terms of comfort when the concentration of the gas is high enough. With a sufficient concentration of CO, there should be no nasty bitter taste in the mouth, nausea, and thirst, which you can get with Nembutal.

 

[reborn87]

I'd rather prefer CO to Nembutal, since the former is likely better in terms of comfort when the concentration of the gas is high enough. With a sufficient concentration of CO, there should be no nasty bitter taste in the mouth, nausea, and thirst, which you can get with Nembutal.

I thought carbon monoxide can give headaches anxiety ? Is there any pain with it ?

 

[Intoxicated]

I thought carbon monoxide can give headaches anxiety ? Is there any pain with it ?

From what I've read, at high concentrations (above 1.3%) CO seems to produce nearly the same perceptions as inert gas asphyxiation (when breathing less than 6% oxygen), with comparably fast loss of consciousness.

 

[MetallicCognition]

I ran a couple of tests and I feel like I'm doing something wrong.

I burned the coals in a chimney, and it went really well, starting with loads of smoke, then flames which died down over around an hour, and when there was no smoke or flame left, just bright glowing red/yellow coals, I dumped them into my bbq and brought it inside into my downstairs toilet. I estimate that the room is 1.5x2.5x2.5 meters in volume and I tried to seal it up around the edges with brown tape (a small vent in the ceiling, and the gaps around the doors etc).

The first test I used about 1.3kg of coals in a small chimeny. I have a meter which goes up to 5000ppm, so I left it in the room and I opened the door periodically and held my breath to stick my head in briefly and check on it. Highest I saw it get to was something like 900ppm before it started dropping after idk, 45 mins or so. But, since I kept opening the door this was a bad test.

The second test was more scientific - I left a remote camera in the room so I didn't have to keep opening the door, and this time I used 8kg (!) of coals in two large chimneys, which I prepared for 1h45m in the chimneys until they looked ready. Same again - good glowing coals with no smoke and radiating a TON of heat - my thermal camera maxxes out at 500C and it said they were all above 500.

I collected some data of the ppm every 2 minutes:

23:46 750ppm
23:48 1000
23:50 1250
23:52 1560
23:54 1870
23:56 2150
23:58 2470
00:00 2680
00:02 2860
00:04 3020
00:06 3140
00:08 3240
00:10 3320
00:12 3390
00:14 3440
00:16 3470
00:18 3500
00:20 3510
00:22 3500
00:24 3510
00:26 3500
00:28 3500
00:30 3470
00:32 3450
00:34 3450
00:36 3400
00:38 3370
00:40 3340
00:42 3300
00:44 3270
00:46 3200
00:48 3190
00:50 3160
00:52 3120



So you see it peaked at 3500, stayed there for 10 mins or so, then slowly started dropping as the embers died out. When I collected the coal later there was substantial unburned carbon, so they must have gone out due to lack of oxygen.

I think if I sat in there with those levels it'd likely be lethal - I'd probably pass out within 10-20 mins and die within an hour or so. In particular if the levels fall quite slowly after I stopped collecting data, it looks as if it'd probably be above 2k for another hour. But I don't want to take any chances and I was expecting a higher ppm. other than just piling in more coal (which did seem to help but I maxxed out my chimney capacity in test 2), any ideas on what I might be doing wrong? The room probably isn't *perfectly* sealed but it's most of the way sealed - I could improve slightly there but I doubt that's the main thing holding back the ppm. The coals are high quality and, as far as I can tell were burning perfectly. The bbq has a little vent underneath with a little collection tray, like this: https://canada.desertcart.com/products/64755828-weber-charcoal-grills-47cm-18-5-compact-kettle. I've been keeping the vent closed, on the understanding that you don't want to give the coal too much o2. But maybe I need to open it if the coals are just going out. Of course the lid isn't on, so they're just resting on the bottom of the bowl of the bbq with nothing above them. I could maybe try putting them on a rack instead of on the bottom of the bowl, to give a better air supply. And maybe a fan would help circulate the air in the room a bit. I will update with my next test in a few days where I will use a rack, but if improving the air supply doesn't help then I'm kinda worried that the ppm isn't enough.

(Obviously I left the house while the test was running, and thoroughly vented the entire house with my ppm meter until it was back to normal, then still left the windows open overnight. My house is semi-detatched but the downstairs bathroom is on the opposite side of the house to the neighbours' wall, and they're also out over the weekend anyway. I'm not risking any unintended effects until it's time.)

Maybe doing it in a tent instead of my house would be better, but although I have a tent it's pretty small and I don't think I could seal it up as well and I'd be worried about the roof melting. I could buy a bigger one and add "heat shielding" (i.e. taping aluminium foil to the inside walls and roof..??) but it would have to be one of those big family tents, not a tiny hiking tent, otherwise I may slump over after I pass out, or have spasms/convulsions, which could knock over the bbq.

 

[reborn87]

From what I've read, at high concentrations (above 1.3%) CO seems to produce nearly the same perceptions as inert gas asphyxiation (when breathing less than 6% oxygen), with comparably fast loss of consciousness.

How long does it take till you die then cause you can wake up from consciousness, right loss of conscious?

 

[kurgan]

I ran a couple of tests and I feel like I'm doing something wrong.

I burned the coals in a chimney, and it went really well, starting with loads of smoke, then flames which died down over around an hour, and when there was no smoke or flame left, just bright glowing red/yellow coals, I dumped them into my bbq and brought it inside into my downstairs toilet. I estimate that the room is 1.5x2.5x2.5 meters in volume and I tried to seal it up around the edges with brown tape (a small vent in the ceiling, and the gaps around the doors etc).

The first test I used about 1.3kg of coals in a small chimeny. I have a meter which goes up to 5000ppm, so I left it in the room and I opened the door periodically and held my breath to stick my head in briefly and check on it. Highest I saw it get to was something like 900ppm before it started dropping after idk, 45 mins or so. But, since I kept opening the door this was a bad test.

The second test was more scientific - I left a remote camera in the room so I didn't have to keep opening the door, and this time I used 8kg (!) of coals in two large chimneys, which I prepared for 1h45m in the chimneys until they looked ready. Same again - good glowing coals with no smoke and radiating a TON of heat - my thermal camera maxxes out at 500C and it said they were all above 500.

I collected some data of the ppm every 2 minutes:

23:46 750ppm
23:48 1000
23:50 1250
23:52 1560
23:54 1870
23:56 2150
23:58 2470
00:00 2680
00:02 2860
00:04 3020
00:06 3140
00:08 3240
00:10 3320
00:12 3390
00:14 3440
00:16 3470
00:18 3500
00:20 3510
00:22 3500
00:24 3510
00:26 3500
00:28 3500
00:30 3470
00:32 3450
00:34 3450
00:36 3400
00:38 3370
00:40 3340
00:42 3300
00:44 3270
00:46 3200
00:48 3190
00:50 3160
00:52 3120

View attachment 194625

So you see it peaked at 3500, stayed there for 10 mins or so, then slowly started dropping as the embers died out. When I collected the coal later there was substantial unburned carbon, so they must have gone out due to lack of oxygen.

I think if I sat in there with those levels it'd likely be lethal - I'd probably pass out within 10-20 mins and die within an hour or so. In particular if the levels fall quite slowly after I stopped collecting data, it looks as if it'd probably be above 2k for another hour. But I don't want to take any chances and I was expecting a higher ppm. other than just piling in more coal (which did seem to help but I maxxed out my chimney capacity in test 2), any ideas on what I might be doing wrong? The room probably isn't *perfectly* sealed but it's most of the way sealed - I could improve slightly there but I doubt that's the main thing holding back the ppm. The coals are high quality and, as far as I can tell were burning perfectly. The bbq has a little vent underneath with a little collection tray, like this: https://canada.desertcart.com/products/64755828-weber-charcoal-grills-47cm-18-5-compact-kettle. I've been keeping the vent closed, on the understanding that you don't want to give the coal too much o2. But maybe I need to open it if the coals are just going out. Of course the lid isn't on, so they're just resting on the bottom of the bowl of the bbq with nothing above them. I could maybe try putting them on a rack instead of on the bottom of the bowl, to give a better air supply. And maybe a fan would help circulate the air in the room a bit. I will update with my next test in a few days where I will use a rack, but if improving the air supply doesn't help then I'm kinda worried that the ppm isn't enough.

(Obviously I left the house while the test was running, and thoroughly vented the entire house with my ppm meter until it was back to normal, then still left the windows open overnight. My house is semi-detatched but the downstairs bathroom is on the opposite side of the house to the neighbours' wall, and they're also out over the weekend anyway. I'm not risking any unintended effects until it's time.)

Maybe doing it in a tent instead of my house would be better, but although I have a tent it's pretty small and I don't think I could seal it up as well and I'd be worried about the roof melting. I could buy a bigger one and add "heat shielding" (i.e. taping aluminium foil to the inside walls and roof..??) but it would have to be one of those big family tents, not a tiny hiking tent, otherwise I may slump over after I pass out, or have spasms/convulsions, which could knock over the bbq.

8kg in a 9 cubic meter room should hit 10,000ppm plus easily, what charcoal brand you using?

 

[ipmanwc0]

I ran a couple of tests and I feel like I'm doing something wrong.

I burned the coals in a chimney, and it went really well, starting with loads of smoke, then flames which died down over around an hour, and when there was no smoke or flame left, just bright glowing red/yellow coals, I dumped them into my bbq and brought it inside into my downstairs toilet. I estimate that the room is 1.5x2.5x2.5 meters in volume and I tried to seal it up around the edges with brown tape (a small vent in the ceiling, and the gaps around the doors etc).

The first test I used about 1.3kg of coals in a small chimeny. I have a meter which goes up to 5000ppm, so I left it in the room and I opened the door periodically and held my breath to stick my head in briefly and check on it. Highest I saw it get to was something like 900ppm before it started dropping after idk, 45 mins or so. But, since I kept opening the door this was a bad test.

The second test was more scientific - I left a remote camera in the room so I didn't have to keep opening the door, and this time I used 8kg (!) of coals in two large chimneys, which I prepared for 1h45m in the chimneys until they looked ready. Same again - good glowing coals with no smoke and radiating a TON of heat - my thermal camera maxxes out at 500C and it said they were all above 500.

I collected some data of the ppm every 2 minutes:

23:46 750ppm
23:48 1000
23:50 1250
23:52 1560
23:54 1870
23:56 2150
23:58 2470
00:00 2680
00:02 2860
00:04 3020
00:06 3140
00:08 3240
00:10 3320
00:12 3390
00:14 3440
00:16 3470
00:18 3500
00:20 3510
00:22 3500
00:24 3510
00:26 3500
00:28 3500
00:30 3470
00:32 3450
00:34 3450
00:36 3400
00:38 3370
00:40 3340
00:42 3300
00:44 3270
00:46 3200
00:48 3190
00:50 3160
00:52 3120

View attachment 194625

So you see it peaked at 3500, stayed there for 10 mins or so, then slowly started dropping as the embers died out. When I collected the coal later there was substantial unburned carbon, so they must have gone out due to lack of oxygen.

I think if I sat in there with those levels it'd likely be lethal - I'd probably pass out within 10-20 mins and die within an hour or so. In particular if the levels fall quite slowly after I stopped collecting data, it looks as if it'd probably be above 2k for another hour. But I don't want to take any chances and I was expecting a higher ppm. other than just piling in more coal (which did seem to help but I maxxed out my chimney capacity in test 2), any ideas on what I might be doing wrong? The room probably isn't *perfectly* sealed but it's most of the way sealed - I could improve slightly there but I doubt that's the main thing holding back the ppm. The coals are high quality and, as far as I can tell were burning perfectly. The bbq has a little vent underneath with a little collection tray, like this: https://canada.desertcart.com/products/64755828-weber-charcoal-grills-47cm-18-5-compact-kettle. I've been keeping the vent closed, on the understanding that you don't want to give the coal too much o2. But maybe I need to open it if the coals are just going out. Of course the lid isn't on, so they're just resting on the bottom of the bowl of the bbq with nothing above them. I could maybe try putting them on a rack instead of on the bottom of the bowl, to give a better air supply. And maybe a fan would help circulate the air in the room a bit. I will update with my next test in a few days where I will use a rack, but if improving the air supply doesn't help then I'm kinda worried that the ppm isn't enough.

(Obviously I left the house while the test was running, and thoroughly vented the entire house with my ppm meter until it was back to normal, then still left the windows open overnight. My house is semi-detatched but the downstairs bathroom is on the opposite side of the house to the neighbours' wall, and they're also out over the weekend anyway. I'm not risking any unintended effects until it's time.)

Maybe doing it in a tent instead of my house would be better, but although I have a tent it's pretty small and I don't think I could seal it up as well and I'd be worried about the roof melting. I could buy a bigger one and add "heat shielding" (i.e. taping aluminium foil to the inside walls and roof..??) but it would have to be one of those big family tents, not a tiny hiking tent, otherwise I may slump over after I pass out, or have spasms/convulsions, which could knock over the bbq.

1) when you say coal you mean charcoal right?
pretty sure you want the charcoal to be white
2) you don't want airflow, the opposite of it, maybe fan vent should be sealed

 

[Groundhog_Day]

I ran a couple of tests and I feel like I'm doing something wrong.

I burned the coals in a chimney, and it went really well, starting with loads of smoke, then flames which died down over around an hour, and when there was no smoke or flame left, just bright glowing red/yellow coals, I dumped them into my bbq and brought it inside into my downstairs toilet. I estimate that the room is 1.5x2.5x2.5 meters in volume and I tried to seal it up around the edges with brown tape (a small vent in the ceiling, and the gaps around the doors etc).

The first test I used about 1.3kg of coals in a small chimeny. I have a meter which goes up to 5000ppm, so I left it in the room and I opened the door periodically and held my breath to stick my head in briefly and check on it. Highest I saw it get to was something like 900ppm before it started dropping after idk, 45 mins or so. But, since I kept opening the door this was a bad test.

The second test was more scientific - I left a remote camera in the room so I didn't have to keep opening the door, and this time I used 8kg (!) of coals in two large chimneys, which I prepared for 1h45m in the chimneys until they looked ready. Same again - good glowing coals with no smoke and radiating a TON of heat - my thermal camera maxxes out at 500C and it said they were all above 500.

I collected some data of the ppm every 2 minutes:

23:46 750ppm
23:48 1000
23:50 1250
23:52 1560
23:54 1870
23:56 2150
23:58 2470
00:00 2680
00:02 2860
00:04 3020
00:06 3140
00:08 3240
00:10 3320
00:12 3390
00:14 3440
00:16 3470
00:18 3500
00:20 3510
00:22 3500
00:24 3510
00:26 3500
00:28 3500
00:30 3470
00:32 3450
00:34 3450
00:36 3400
00:38 3370
00:40 3340
00:42 3300
00:44 3270
00:46 3200
00:48 3190
00:50 3160
00:52 3120

View attachment 194625

So you see it peaked at 3500, stayed there for 10 mins or so, then slowly started dropping as the embers died out. When I collected the coal later there was substantial unburned carbon, so they must have gone out due to lack of oxygen.

I think if I sat in there with those levels it'd likely be lethal - I'd probably pass out within 10-20 mins and die within an hour or so. In particular if the levels fall quite slowly after I stopped collecting data, it looks as if it'd probably be above 2k for another hour. But I don't want to take any chances and I was expecting a higher ppm. other than just piling in more coal (which did seem to help but I maxxed out my chimney capacity in test 2), any ideas on what I might be doing wrong? The room probably isn't *perfectly* sealed but it's most of the way sealed - I could improve slightly there but I doubt that's the main thing holding back the ppm. The coals are high quality and, as far as I can tell were burning perfectly. The bbq has a little vent underneath with a little collection tray, like this: https://canada.desertcart.com/products/64755828-weber-charcoal-grills-47cm-18-5-compact-kettle. I've been keeping the vent closed, on the understanding that you don't want to give the coal too much o2. But maybe I need to open it if the coals are just going out. Of course the lid isn't on, so they're just resting on the bottom of the bowl of the bbq with nothing above them. I could maybe try putting them on a rack instead of on the bottom of the bowl, to give a better air supply. And maybe a fan would help circulate the air in the room a bit. I will update with my next test in a few days where I will use a rack, but if improving the air supply doesn't help then I'm kinda worried that the ppm isn't enough.

(Obviously I left the house while the test was running, and thoroughly vented the entire house with my ppm meter until it was back to normal, then still left the windows open overnight. My house is semi-detatched but the downstairs bathroom is on the opposite side of the house to the neighbours' wall, and they're also out over the weekend anyway. I'm not risking any unintended effects until it's time.)

Maybe doing it in a tent instead of my house would be better, but although I have a tent it's pretty small and I don't think I could seal it up as well and I'd be worried about the roof melting. I could buy a bigger one and add "heat shielding" (i.e. taping aluminium foil to the inside walls and roof..??) but it would have to be one of those big family tents, not a tiny hiking tent, otherwise I may slump over after I pass out, or have spasms/convulsions, which could knock over the bbq.

I think you might have burned the charcoal for too long in the chimney starter. The instructions for the Weber 2.5kg starter say to tip out into bbq after 20 - 30 minutes. You only want to start them burning. Zanexx tipped them out after the smoke had gone, but there were still flames.

I think the CO is produced from partial combustion, and leaving them in the starter for over an hour, probably causes near complete combustion. Zanexx then waited 90 minutes after tipping the charcoal out of the starter, before taking it into the tent. Again, i think waiting for the charcoal to cool down might be important. Zanexx succeeded, whilst i've read a couple of cases here where people took the coals straight from the starter, into a car, and failed.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/leaving-tonight.3163/post-44368

This is Zanexx's goodbye thread. The above post was about leaving the charcoal to cool down for 90 minutes. Also, the linked article is about an accidental CO death in a tent, where the bbq was taken in during a rainstorm, 5 hours after it was started.