Can you commit a 'logical suicide' because your life is a total failure?

[tired93]

Hi.
I wish I could feel clear-headed enough to perfectly understand what a mess my life has been, but lately I've been in a state of perpetual 'emotional numbness' where I don't feel or experience any pain. The sensation itself is degrading. Last night, though, I made a slight connection with my suffering: to put it simply, my life is a joke, and I am a total failure. I want to leave this world, but without any 'pathos': like something that needs to be done just because it's logical.

 

[flowerbomb]

I am sorry that your life is like this....

The title of your thread reminded me of the concept of "Bilanzsuizid" of the german psychiatrist Alfred Hoche. I found mainly german articles, but he describes suicide also as a fact-based and rational decision like weighing life on a scale. Perhaps you can translate this for you in your language, its a description of this understanding of suicide. https://www.ethikrat.org/fileadmin/PDF-Dateien/Veranstaltungen/anhoerung-17-12-2020-lindner.pdf

 

[Kokonoe]

yes. that's what i'm going to be doing. there's just no other way for my life to end.

 

[aceHardlight]

I don't really see the need to blame yourself and call yourself a failure etc.
This world is largely ableist and built for people with a healthy brain and body, which are at least 50% genes, so factors you cannot even control.

Your luck does not only decide your genes, but also in what kind of environment you grew up in etc.
Either you get lucky or you don't, it's survival of the fittest.

Calling yourself a failure will only lower your self esteem and people around you who belittle you do it to feel better about themselves.

That said I don't think you can commit rational suicide from a place of irrational self hatred.

 

[TheHangman]

There is that old cliche that suicide "is a permanent solution to a temporary problem". My belief is that LIFE is a temporary problem. Does that make sense?

 

[DoomsdayCTB]

yes that's why i'm here. if I made an entire list of why I'm tired of living, I think more SANE and HUMANE psychiatrists would agree people in my situations deserve access to MAID. that pills can only go so far, it's my situations that I can't escape from. i've finally hit the point to car living and possible prostitution just to escape the evil cunt I live with. and because it's the summer-it's awful to do car living in the summer + gas being so expensive (and i'm in debt period). it was them and a series of unfortunate events... cruel and unusual punishment to live this out. we put dogs down so they don't suffer. I don't get it.

 

[DeadManLiving]

Yes. It is possible.

 

[tired93]

I don't really see the need to blame yourself and call yourself a failure etc.
This world is largely ableist and built for people with a healthy brain and body, which are at least 50% genes, so factors you cannot even control.

Your luck does not only decide your genes, but also in what kind of environment you grew up in etc.
Either you get lucky or you don't, it's survival of the fittest.

Calling yourself a failure will only lower your self esteem and people around you who belittle you do it to feel better about themselves.

That said I don't think you can commit rational suicide from a place of irrational self hatred.

You don't know me. We didn't need your bullshits here.
Seriously: "ableism"? "Genes"? Think about your "genes", instead.

 

[Sedfrg]

If one relies on subjective logic - which is the result of a closed process of "reasoning" - no contradictions arise; within this system, suicide is logical. Simply put, as long as you do not step outside the confines of your own mind, everything seems entirely logical, but this leads to objective logic.

If, however, one relies on objective logic, there is neither an answer nor any meaning here; any sum of values equals 0 and leads to entropy or contradiction. The result closest to the desired one is 0.5 (indeterminacy), 1 = 1 (identity), and the empty set, but even here the variable of subjective logic is present. The topic was quite interesting, but I doubt my answer means anything to you; besides, "genes" influence "thinking" to a certain extent.

 

[isthisthingon]

There is that old cliche that suicide "is a permanent solution to a temporary problem". My belief is that LIFE is a temporary problem. Does that make sense?

I like that.

My temporary problem will last the rest of my temporary life. Why would I want to suffer for the next 40 years? There's no way.

 

[funkopop99]

Hi.
I wish I could feel clear-headed enough to perfectly understand what a mess my life has been, but lately I've been in a state of perpetual 'emotional numbness' where I don't feel or experience any pain. The sensation itself is degrading. Last night, though, I made a slight connection with my suffering: to put it simply, my life is a joke, and I am a total failure. I want to leave this world, but without any 'pathos': like something that needs to be done just because it's logical.

Depression can be passive and logical.