Can we stay neutral in the Israel-Palestine conflict if our governments fund it?

[noname223]

I live in Germany and we certainly have blood on our hands. I attended 4 protests pro-Palestine. And there was very close to zero antisemitism. I would say 95% of the people there were free of antisemitism considering the speeches I listened to. Considering the posters I saw.

Always when I say to other German students I went to pro-palestine they assume the protestors were low-key antisemitic. And none of them actually ever went to a protest. It is probably the German media that gives them this impression. The takes of German media pundits are ridiculous. My therapist considered it threatening to jews attending such protests.

Soon I will have a party. My college friend is more Israel friendly. And my two closest friends I knew from my school days are absolutely pro-Palestine. And wear Kufiyaa. I already see a massive argument incoming.

Are we complicit in what is happening in Palestine if we don't engage in protest against it? Personally, I don't believe Israel ever had the intention for a longlasting ceasefire. Netanjahu needs that war to stay in
office. They will use any excuse to continue this war. So people want a Noble peace prize for Trump? How long has the "peace" lasted?

There are some Western nations that acknowledged the state Palestine. But they only wanted to wash their hands clean from the blood. It is a symbolic act nothing more.

 

[Hvergelmir]

Are we complicit in what is happening in Palestine if we don't engage in protest against it?

Would we then also be complicit to Uyghur persecutions in China, or the killings of Rohingya in Myanmar?

I don't think a German civilian could reasonably be seen as complicit to the actions of any foreign government or its military. I also don't think foreign protests has any impact. On the contrary they might distract from things of real importance - whether that is to actually help the region, or even completely unrelated local issues.

 

[hibikikyuxx]

I live in Germany and we certainly have blood on our hands

You don't have blood on your hands, your government does, which is nothing new. I don't think Germany ever stood at the right side of history.

Are we complicit in what is happening in Palestine if we don't engage in protest against it?

There are people in Germany who protest against it but the police act brutally to silence them. I've seen many vidoes of them punching and arresting people in peaceful protests.

Personally, I don't believe Israel ever had the intention for a longlasting ceasefire

Israel is a rabid dog that only exists because after stealing Palestinian land, so what's new.

Netanjahu needs that war to stay in
office. They will use any excuse to continue this war.

You remove Netanyahu and another Netanyahu replaces him. The entire Israeli government is full of Psychopaths since its creation.

So people want a Noble peace prize for Trump? How long has the "peace" lasted?

Nobody wants a Nobel Peace Prize for Trump. I certainly don't. He has the blood of around a million innocent people on his hands.

 

[struggles_inc]

If you didn't ask your government to fund a war, your citizenship says nothing. No matter the regime, you literally don't have a say how the state wastes the money from taxes — ripping you off.

People try to cope by finding something tangible to blame, because blaming the untouchable elites would mean one doesn't have any control over their lives.

Parties, protests, votes… in the big picture stopped making a change like 200 years ago.

Sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings. I don't mean to invalidate the work of people who are politically active and try to make a change - I love seeing you guys doing better step by step. But personally, I'm pretty burnt out from politics.

 

[noname223]

Would we then also be complicit to Uyghur persecutions in China, or the killings of Rohingya in Myanmar?

I don't think a German civilian could reasonably be seen as complicit to the actions of any foreign government or its military. I also don't think foreign protests has any impact. On the contrary they might distract from things of real importance - whether that is to actually help the region, or even completely unrelated local issues.

Germany sends military weapons to Israel. In some sense the Russian people and Chinese people are partly responsible for the actions of their government. But we in Germany have a right to protest.
Chancellor Merz changed his opinion on military aid to Israel because it is very unpopular where I live. And the public opinion was against it.

 

[hibikikyuxx]

Germany sends military weapons to Israel

Yes.

In some sense the Russian people and Chinese people are partly responsible for the actions of their government.

Not really.

But we in Germany have a right to protest

You can protest everywhere.

Chancellor Merz changed his opinion on military aid to Israel because it is very unpopular where I live. And the public opinion was against it.

You can say one thing and do the other. I wouldn't believe the words of someone whose grandfather was a high ranked Nazi.