Average duration to cross the point of no return after taking SN?

[Sslsh]

Having gone through the success and failure case documentation of SN, I could see that the time taken to become unconscious is pretty varied. Considering that I fast and consume 25 gs of SN, and the fact that I am underweight, how long before I pass out/die in ideal conditions? I would probably consume SN at about 12 in the night and have about 5 hours of alone time in my room. Would that be sufficient to ctb? I would look for a hotel if that time is insufficient.

 

[VoidDesirer22]

Having gone through the success and failure case documentation of SN, I could see that the time taken to become unconscious is pretty varied. Considering that I fast and consume 25 gs of SN, and the fact that I am underweight, how long before I pass out/die in ideal conditions? I would probably consume SN at about 12 in the night and have about 5 hours of alone time in my room. Would that be sufficient to ctb? I would look for a hotel if that time is insufficient.

Midnight is suggested in the guide, and it's what I'll do too. It should be plenty. Just make sure there are at least 3 cups full of the nitrite for backup. And follow the antiemetic regime.

 

[Someone123]

@Cheers posted an interesting thread on October 30th which showed her protocol- she seemed to pass out in a little over 5 minutes and then appeared to ctb. Some people say 20 minutes, one person didn't pass out even at 60 and didn't ctb. Cheers took benzos that I think helped her to pass out quciked- she did the whole protocol from Stans guide except for one change - otc meclizine instead of meto.

 

[Lucas70]

How about combining two method,sn and drowning.If unconsciousness happen,you will be drowned peacefully without struggle and panic.

 

[Someone123]

How about combining two method,sn and drowning.If unconsciousness happen,you will be drowned peacefully without struggle and panic.

If you start to drown I believe water will go in and cause you to vomit and negate the effects of the sn. I think committing to one method or the other is more likely to work.

 

[Ta555]

If you start to drown I believe water will go in and cause you to vomit and negate the effects of the sn. I think committing to one method or the other is more likely to work.

SN and then straight away full suspension hanging seems foolproof to me. It won't be peaceful but pretty damn reliable I think. It's probably going to be hard to throw up with a rope tight at your neck. Hopefully will pass out in under a minute as that's what full suspension is supposed to do.

 

[Sunset Limited]

I think the only way to lose consciousness faster with SN is to reduce the cardiac response. The combination of beta blocker and diltiazem can do this. Donating blood before CTB helps. Anything that lowers blood pressure and cardiac output helps. Standing instead of lying down also accelerates loss of consciousness.

 

[Someone123]

Having gone through the success and failure case documentation of SN, I could see that the time taken to become unconscious is pretty varied. Considering that I fast and consume 25 gs of SN, and the fact that I am underweight, how long before I pass out/die in ideal conditions? I would probably consume SN at about 12 in the night and have about 5 hours of alone time in my room. Would that be sufficient to ctb? I would look for a hotel if that time is insufficient.

I noticed you said "in your room" and t

SN and then straight away full suspension hanging seems foolproof to me. It won't be peaceful but pretty damn reliable I think. It's probably going to be hard to throw up with a rope tight at your neck. Hopefully will pass out in under a minute as that's what full suspension is supposed to do.

I think that full suspension hanging is a very reliable method if you are in a place where some noise won't be heard, because there are reports that the swinging of the body can be noisy- in a house alone. If you take sn and you stomach regurgitates it the barf may not come out your mouth but the sn won't be absorbed the way it need to be to work. The body can digest sn- the reason sn works is that a lot more is taken than the body can digest at once- once you throw up this won't have this too much at once effect most likely.

As far as passing out in under a minute with full suspension this is dependent on the knot and whether it closes off the carotids- it's very dicey- there are often cases where this doesn't happen and then passing out becomes dependent on the windpipe being closed off and some people have said that this can take a long time- 10 minutes plus, maybe up to 20 minutes- that's the scary thing about full suspension to me.

Full suspension and sn are the two most reliable methods that I have access to as well, so I do think it will be one or the other for me, I just think that combining them will reduce the chances of either workng because I think you would likely vomit quickly and your body would go crazy and you might cry out- I think it would be noisier and a lot more painful than either method separately.

I think the only way to lose consciousness faster with SN is to reduce the cardiac response. The combination of beta blocker and diltiazem can do this. Donating blood before CTB helps. Anything that lowers blood pressure and cardiac output helps. Standing instead of lying down also accelerates loss of consciousness.

@Cheers seemed to pass out in just after 5 minutes and I think the benzos were a factor in this.

 

[Ta555]

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I noticed you said "in your room" and t

I think that full suspension hanging is a very reliable method if you are in a place where some noise won't be heard, because there are reports that the swinging of the body can be noisy- in a house alone. If you take sn and you stomach regurgitates it the barf may not come out your mouth but the sn won't be absorbed the way it need to be to work. The body can digest sn- the reason sn works is that a lot more is taken than the body can digest at once- once you throw up this won't have this too much at once effect most likely.

As far as passing out in under a minute with full suspension this is dependent on the knot and whether it closes off the carotids- it's very dicey- there are often cases where this doesn't happen and then passing out becomes dependent on the windpipe being closed off and some people have said that this can take a long time- 10 minutes plus, maybe up to 20 minutes- that's the scary thing about full suspension to me.

Full suspension and sn are the two most reliable methods that I have access to as well, so I do think it will be one or the other for me, I just think that combining them will reduce the chances of either workng because I think you would likely vomit quickly and your body would go crazy and you might cry out- I think it would be noisier and a lot more painful than either method separately.

@Cheers seemed to pass out in just after 5 minutes and I think the benzos were a factor in this.

I've seen you quote that 20 minute stat before about hanging and I don't see how that's possible. Even if you don't close off the carotids you close off the jugular veins since that only requires 2kg of pressure which is nothing. You will pass out from that quickly enough though it will be very uncomfortable. I just don't think it's possible to hang in full suspension and not pass out for as long as 20 minutes. But to make it comfortable I have an idea of using an exit bag with hanging. Pass out from exit bag and hang. Even if the bag comes off will still be in full suspension.
The windpipe requires a lot more pressure than the veins or arteries to close off so how can you hang there with your windpipe closed off but not your blood vessels?

 

[Someone123]

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I've seen you quote that 20 minute stat before about hanging and I don't see how that's possible. Even if you don't close off the carotids you close off the jugular veins since that only requires 2kg of pressure which is nothing. You will pass out from that quickly enough though it will be very uncomfortable. I just don't think it's possible to hang in full suspension and not pass out for as long as 20 minutes. But to make it comfortable I have an idea of using an exit bag with hanging. Pass out from exit bag and hang. Even if the bag comes off will still be in full suspension.
The windpipe requires a lot more pressure than the veins or arteries to close off so how can you hang there with your windpipe closed off but not your blood vessels?

It's going to take while to find the original sources where I read some of these things- hopefully I can find them. I do know I read of one case where a person was hanging for 20 minutes and was rescued and they had no ill effects- if it closes off the windpipe most of the way but not all the way and you don't compress the arteries, which is often the case, this is where you end up with long times where a person struggles. I think it the knot is not effective for tightening- maybe the rope doesn't slide easily enough or a person uses a hangman's noose and not a slipknot or simple noose this can create a gap that is difficult to completely close. There have been several stories posted of public executions by hanging where the person is flopping around for very long periods of time- 10 to 20 minutes, and their family members keep pulling down on their legs to try to get the knot tighter so that this can stop. I'll keep looking for original sources but these I things I have read online from sources that seemed reputable sometme over the past several months.

 

[Ta555]

It's going to take while to find the original sources where I read some of these things- hopefully I can find them. I do know I read of one case where a person was hanging for 20 minutes and was rescued and they had no ill effects- if it closes off the windpipe most of the way but not all the way and you don't compress the arteries, which is often the case, this is where you end up with long times where a person struggles. I think it the knot is not effective for tightening- maybe the rope doesn't slide easily enough or a person uses a hangman's noose and not a slipknot or simple noose this can create a gap that is difficult to completely close. There have been several stories posted of public executions by hanging where the person is flopping around for very long periods of time- 10 to 20 minutes, and their family members keep pulling down on their legs to try to get the knot tighter so that this can stop. I'll keep looking for original sources but these I things I have read online from sources that seemed reputable sometme over the past several months.

Yes I would love to see the source please because physiologically I don't see how it's possible to close off the trachea without closing off the blood vessels. So much more pressure is required to close off the trachea than the blood vessels that I don't see how it's possible.

 

[Someone123]

Yes I would love to see the source please because physiologically I don't see how it's possible to close off the trachea without closing off the blood vessels. So much more pressure is required to close off the trachea than the blood vessels that I don't see how it's possible.

I think that under pressure the arteries can get pushed further into the neck- there isn't bone directly behind them- and the trachea is more solid and can't move as much.