Are parents who comitt suicide selfish?

[Zeus35]

I am not trying to upset anyone. My biological parent ended their life when I was one years old. Although I always question why they brought me into this world. I mean I missed out on alot of things and I was even bullied at school for not having that parent. Mothers or fathers day, imagine being the only child in the class not having anyone to make a card for, or the girl who doesn't know who's going to walk her down the Isle. It just feels reckless to bring a child into this world to just abandon them. As their risk of suicide and mental health issues increases and if someone abuses them, then their deceased parent isn't their to protect them so in a way leaves them vulnerable to harm. I blame that parent for alot of things because they chose to create me but not be a part of my life. Although in my case that parent knew my other parent was abusive but still decided to have children with that person so basically bred more child abuse victims. I always say "children's shoulders weren't created to bear the weight of their parents actions" if I had a young child I couldn't imagine leaving them behind. The reality is they'll probably forget you and wonder why they weren't enough that will cause behavioural, mental health and relationship problems for their whole life. It's like what gives someone the right to bring children into this world to just walk out on them when their own life gets tough. Being a parent is about putting your children first. They didn't ask to be here, the choice was made for them. They shouldn't then have to suffer because someone decides to permanently walk out on them. Unfortunately usually the picture isn't pretty once a parent comitts suicide. They might think their children will be fine but that's completely different from the truth.

 

[SuicidallyCurious]

Yes that is very bad

 

[BigG91]

I am not trying to upset anyone. My biological parent ended their life when I was one years old. Although I always question why they brought me into this world. I mean I missed out on alot of things and I was even bullied at school for not having that parent. Mothers or fathers day, imagine being the only child in the class not having anyone to make a card for, or the girl who doesn't know who's going to walk her down the Isle. It just feels reckless to bring a child into this world to just abandon them. As their risk of suicide and mental health issues increases and if someone abuses them, then their deceased parent isn't their to protect them so in a way leaves them vulnerable to harm. I blame that parent for alot of things because they chose to create me but not be a part of my life. Although in my case that parent knew my other parent was abusive but still decided to have children with that person so basically bred more child abuse victims. I always say "children's shoulders weren't created to bear the weight of their parents actions" if I had a young child I couldn't imagine leaving them behind. The reality is they'll probably forget you and wonder why they weren't enough that will cause behavioural, mental health and relationship problems for their whole life. It's like what gives someone the right to bring children into this world to just walk out on them when their own life gets tough. Being a parent is about putting your children first. They didn't ask to be here, the choice was made for them. They shouldn't then have to suffer because someone decides to permanently walk out on them. Unfortunately usually the picture isn't pretty once a parent comitts suicide. They might think their children will be fine but that's completely different from the truth.

Yes that's sad but also i think we don't know what they were going through at the time and what troubles they faced.
Generally i don't think suicide is selfish.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Do you know why, for certain, your parent killed themselves? Not dismissing your feelings, but just to give your parent the benefit of the doubt, and maybe they don't deserve it, I don't know, but maybe there was no "plan" to abandon you. Maybe they were in a place of despair in their lives, too, even before they thought about having a child. Maybe they thought a child they could care for, and love, and who needed them, that this child would be their salvation and get that despair and hopelessness off of their soul. I don't know all of your circumstances and I don't pretend to. I think people look for all kind of ways to make themselves better. Sometimes it just doesn't work. I feel confident in saying that your parent had "something' going on long before you entered the picture, before you were even thought of. I highly doubt their suicide had anything to do with you. Suicide is about the person who takes their own life.

 

[Messgram]

they are already selfish for breeding. Suicide just makes them even more selfish and hypocritical.

Or maybe they were just ignorant and didn't realize the suffering they were inflicting on you

 

[Niko66]

I do firmly believe if you bring someone into this world, if you have responsibility over them then it is indeed selfish to CTB. This is essentially the only case where I believe that. A child doesn't ask to be born and a child has needs that can only be met by parents or caretakers, having one then just abandoning them is awful.

I stand by thinking no suffering justifies harming innocents and that is precisely what they did. You deserved to have parents there for you, every child does.

 

[SuicidallyCurious]

they are already selfish for breeding. Suicide just makes them even more selfish and hypocritical.

Or maybe they were just ignorant and didn't realize the suffering they were inflicting on you

Good idea to point out the breeding is more selfish than the CTB.

Way too many people

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I do firmly believe if you bring someone into this world, if you have responsibility over them then it is indeed selfish to CTB. This is essentially the only case where I believe that. A child doesn't ask to be born and a child has needs that can only be met by parents or caretakers, having one then just abandoning them is awful.

I stand by thinking no suffering justifies harming innocents and that is precisely what they did. You deserved to have parents there for you, every child does.

I feel this is a bit harsh as none of us know what is actually going on within someone else. I think someone who reaches the point of ctb isn't even in a state of mind where they realize that what they are about to do is actually "harming" innocents, as you say. All they're thinking about is not hurting anymore. You can call that selfish if you want. And if it is, and I'm not conceding that it is, but if it is, indeed, selfish, at that point of ctb, I don't believe they're even capable of realizing how selfish it is. They don't have intent to hurt people. They have intent to not hurt. There is a difference. Until you are in someone elses shoes...........................

 

[Kismet]

It's a selfish act in general (depending on the circumstances) and when a person has kids, they are supposed to be there for them. I wouldn't do that to my dog, let alone if I had kids but I have certainly thought about it or I wouldn't be here on SS.

Life is hard sometimes and overwhelming, we look for a way to turn it off. I'm no saying it isn't selfish, just saying I get it. I get both sides actually

 

[todestrieb]

My husband's decision to ctb is often called selfish because he has a child, but I don't think it was. I think, when you make that choice, you're taking into consideration more than yourself. I have a child too so when I got to the point that I felt comfortable entertaining the thought it wasn't because I wanted to be selfish, it was because I felt like my child will live a better life without me and I'll be free from the pain as an afterthought.

Suicide isn't any more selfish than selfless. Murder is selfish.

 

[Niko66]

I feel this is a bit harsh as none of us know what is actually going on within someone else. I think someone who reaches the point of ctb isn't even in a state of mind where they realize that what they are about to do is actually "harming" innocents, as you say. All they're thinking about is not hurting anymore. You can call that selfish if you want. And if it is, and I'm not conceding that it is, but if it is, indeed, selfish, at that point of ctb, I don't believe they're even capable of realizing how selfish it is. They don't have intent to hurt people. They have intent to not hurt. There is a difference. Until you are in someone elses shoes...........................

It is harsh I can admit I am very biased against parents and hold parenting to the high standards after a life of neglect and abandon from one and abuse from the other, the child receives the actions not the intentions. The amount of people out there having children while not being remotely capable of actually taking care of them or giving them a chance at a good life and essentially perpetuating the cycle of suffering disgusts me. I can't understand how people take such drastic measures (such as having kids) so easily without stopping 5 minutes to consider the consequences of their actions, while the motive might be much more sympathetic, the practical result is little better in my eyes, a child of a dead parent will inequivocally have a worse life for it. Don't really think this of parents whose children are well... no longer children.

I don't expect people to agree with me or that this is some kind of morality that others should follow, but I myself have little sympathy for someone who transfers their suffering to the helpless being they brought into this world. Intentional or not, I believe people should be more deliberate and thoughtful of their actions and the consequences of those regardless.

 

[Weebster]

Parents are evil and selfish by default.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

The amount of people out there having children while not being remotely capable of actually taking care of them or giving them a chance at a good life and essentially perpetuating the cycle of suffering disgusts me.

Obviously you know this, but this is completely different.

a child of a dead parent will inequivocally have a worse life for it.

Maybe. Maybe not. I'm sure some children are actually better off without certain parents in their lives.

 

[Insomniac]

I do firmly believe if you bring someone into this world, if you have responsibility over them then it is indeed selfish to CTB. This is essentially the only case where I believe that. A child doesn't ask to be born and a child has needs that can only be met by parents or caretakers, having one then just abandoning them is awful.

exactly.

 

[Niko66]

Obviously you know this, but this is completely different.


Maybe. Maybe not. I'm sure some children are actually better off without certain parents in their lives.

Actually true to that second point, a bit "funny" because I have said as much too on another thread of a similar topic and here I was contradicting myself.
And yeah that other bit was just context cuz honestly like I said I can freely admit I have very strong feelings in the matter which make me biased, I wouldn't hold it against people to feel otherwise but my mind is pretty much set on parents, I guess you could say I think bringing a child into this world without doing their utmost to ensure they can give them a life is what I find most reproachable rather than ending their lives.

I guess I can concede that there's very rare situations where it is not selfish for a parent to do so, and yet I would still morally reproach that person unless the cause for CTB was completely unforeseen until after the child was born (and not due to lack of consideration or foresight but simply randomness of life), so in general my answer to OP is still a yes by the large majority of situations.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

because I have said as much too on another thread of a similar topic and here I was contradicting myself.

We all do this from time to time.

 

[Zeus35]

Yes that's sad but also i think we don't know what they were going through at the time and what troubles they faced.
Generally i don't think suicide is selfish.

I agree to an extent, but when someone breeds with a chikd abuser knowingly that makes them very selfish. Please don't ask me how the parent knew there is documented evidence they were aware the other parent was abusive, maybe not aware of how bad but they were aware. I was sexually abused, physically abused, emotionally abused and severely neglected by my other parent just to give you some context.

Do you know why, for certain, your parent killed themselves? Not dismissing your feelings, but just to give your parent the benefit of the doubt, and maybe they don't deserve it, I don't know, but maybe there was no "plan" to abandon you. Maybe they were in a place of despair in their lives, too, even before they thought about having a child. Maybe they thought a child they could care for, and love, and who needed them, that this child would be their salvation and get that despair and hopelessness off of their soul. I don't know all of your circumstances and I don't pretend to. I think people look for all kind of ways to make themselves better. Sometimes it just doesn't work. I feel confident in saying that your parent had "something' going on long before you entered the picture, before you were even thought of. I highly doubt their suicide had anything to do with you. Suicide is about the person who takes their own life.

Yes I know the parent killed themselves, it's on thr death certificate and they were found by a dog walked hanging from a tree in the park. I don't agree with the child thing, because they had eight children before I was born some alot older than me so they knew exactly how they felt and what they were doing. This parent actually never had one picture with me of even holding me or looking at me but had pictures with their other children. If that doesn't make me feel unloved and abandoned I don't know what would. Imagine being singled out in that way. The person shouldn't have had children when they knew they were having them with someone who was abusive towards their other children. Imagine selfishly creating a child with a child abuser, and then cowardly backing out of all of your children's lives and leaving them in the unsafe environment you created them into. The person knew exactly what they were doing. I was sexually abused, physically, emotionally abused a few times a week for almost an entire decade and severely neglected by that other parent. I was left with a monster. I lived in foster care because of the abuse. The rest of my childhood because I was in foster care there wasn't really much any abuse apart from when I'd run to relatives whilst in foster care because I'd trauma bonded to them and had Stockholm syndrome, or when my visits weren't supervised properly and when I was made to live with them. There was some abuse in care but not much, I mainly just moved around alot so suffered extreme emotional abuse in that sense.

they are already selfish for breeding. Suicide just makes them even more selfish and hypocritical.

Or maybe they were just ignorant and didn't realize the suffering they were inflicting on you

I think both. I think they didn't care about their children because they knew the other parent was abusive and rather than protecting their children, they kept breeding and then eventually committed suicide and abandoned us all in an abusive environment.

I feel this is a bit harsh as none of us know what is actually going on within someone else. I think someone who reaches the point of ctb isn't even in a state of mind where they realize that what they are about to do is actually "harming" innocents, as you say. All they're thinking about is not hurting anymore. You can call that selfish if you want. And if it is, and I'm not conceding that it is, but if it is, indeed, selfish, at that point of ctb, I don't believe they're even capable of realizing how selfish it is. They don't have intent to hurt people. They have intent to not hurt. There is a difference. Until you are in someone elses shoes...........................

I have to disagree. When a person breeds with a paedophile, who beats children, emotionally abuses them, and severely neglects them then that person is beyond selfish and deserves to end their life because they are a worthless disgrace. My other parent who ended their life is a worthless disgrace. They didn't just breed me but they literally handed me on a silver platter to a paedophile by breeding me with that paedophile. I accept they might not have known the person was a paedophile but they had suspicions that the person was sexually exploiting one of their special needs children at the time. I mean arranging for relatives to sexually abuse that child and other men and sexually abusing that child themselves. The parent did however know that the person was very physically, emotionally abusive to their children and neglectful. A baby was severely burnt. The list goes on. Although what did the idiot decide to do? Keep breeding and create other innocent victims. I spent almost half of my childhood in care because of the abuse st the hands of my other parent. Imagine knowing that someone bred you into abuse knowingly and then just abandoned you. When you create a child in those circumstances your responsible for things they experience because without you they wouldn't be there. The person was aware about how it would affect their children because it was discussed by professionals with them. The person just didn't care, it was all about them. Like it was when they were only interested in their orgasm knowing it would create more children as a result. The person was beyond selfish and they're better of dead being remembered as a disgrace with their grave being neglected.

My husband's decision to ctb is often called selfish because he has a child, but I don't think it was. I think, when you make that choice, you're taking into consideration more than yourself. I have a child too so when I got to the point that I felt comfortable entertaining the thought it wasn't because I wanted to be selfish, it was because I felt like my child will live a better life without me and I'll be free from the pain as an afterthought.

Suicide isn't any more selfish than selfless. Murder is selfish.

I understand in your situation. Although your not a child abuser I am assuming. Your husband didn't have a child with a paedophile, chikd beater, child neglecter, child emotional abuser or someone who sexually exploited children. My other parent did and they were aware the person was doing three types of abuse and had suspicions they were also doing the fourth type. So in my case it was extremely selfish for the fool to breed because in doing so I was exposed to a childhood with alot of sexual abuse. Imagine knowing you were created by a parent who knew the other was highly abusive to children and having more with that person. Your not a paedophile your parter knew your child would be safe. My parent knew that their children wouldn't be safe. I mean having a baby almost die in someone's care speaks volumes as does the fact that the parents three babies were on foster care at the time whilst all the other children shockingly weren't in care at all. Baby's don't care put into foster care for no reason. The idiot left me with a child abuser I'm glad it's dead. This sicko bred children knowing they would be abused. Three of the ones who were sexually abused including me have disabilities including autism. So the sicko left not only children in a vulnerable and unsafe situation but it left very vulnerable children with special needs in that situation. I'm glad it's dead tbh. I wish it had never existed in the first place because then it wouldn't have bred children with a paedophile and child abuser. There's a difference between breeding children with chikd abusers and children with normal people. Your husband knew your child was safe. My parent knew none of their children would be safe.

 

[pikku.tiikeri]

I'm so sorry to hear of your suffering and your siblings' suffering at the hands of an abusive, worthless piece of garbage "parent" after the other one committed suicide.

If your dead parent knew they were procreating with a known child abuser or at least someone who was not fit to be a parent, then they were most certainly selfish to bring you into this world and then commit suicide. And they together bred eight kids? That's beyond terrible!

I understand the horrors you and your siblings must have suffered when you are not even willing to write the words mother and father when you mention your parents. And rightfully so! They aren't even worthy of being called parents, just breeders. Why, even most animals take better care of their offspring.

I sometimes feel the world is going backwards. Good, caring human beings who would make great mothers and fathers choose not to have or are unable to have children, or have one child or two at the most, while horrible human beings who are not worthy of being parents simply breed like crazy!

No, it's got nothing to do with race or class or wealth or ethnicity or anything like that! There are good humans and bad ones in all races, ethnicities and classes. The good ones tend to have less kids or none at all, while the worse ones just keep breeding.

The scumbags who sexually abused you and your siblings as children with the knowledge of your "parent" deserve to suffer for their actions. I hope you are able to overcome your past trauma. I hope the same for your siblings as well.

 

[Zeus35]

I'm so sorry to hear of your suffering and your siblings' suffering at the hands of an abusive, worthless piece of garbage "parent" after the other one committed suicide.

If your dead parent knew they were procreating with a known child abuser or at least someone who was not fit to be a parent, then they were most certainly selfish to bring you into this world and then commit suicide. And they together bred eight kids? That's beyond terrible!

I understand the horrors you and your siblings must have suffered when you are not even willing to write the words mother and father when you mention your parents. And rightfully so! They aren't even worthy of being called parents, just breeders. Why, even most animals take better care of their offspring.

I sometimes feel the world is going backwards. Good, caring human beings who would make great mothers and fathers choose not to have or are unable to have children, or have one child or two at the most, while horrible human beings who are not worthy of being parents simply breed like crazy!

No, it's got nothing to do with race or class or wealth or ethnicity or anything like that! There are good humans and bad ones in all races, ethnicities and classes. The good ones tend to have less kids or none at all, while the worse ones just keep breeding.

The scumbags who sexually abused you and your siblings as children with the knowledge of your "parent" deserve to suffer for their actions. I hope you are able to overcome your past trauma. I hope the same for your siblings as well.

Eight before I was born over two decades. I am the youngest. A few of my siblings are child molesters to and I unfortunately fell prey to them. They're alot older than me. I'm talking almost 20 years older than me.

I'm so sorry to hear of your suffering and your siblings' suffering at the hands of an abusive, worthless piece of garbage "parent" after the other one committed suicide.

If your dead parent knew they were procreating with a known child abuser or at least someone who was not fit to be a parent, then they were most certainly selfish to bring you into this world and then commit suicide. And they together bred eight kids? That's beyond terrible!

I understand the horrors you and your siblings must have suffered when you are not even willing to write the words mother and father when you mention your parents. And rightfully so! They aren't even worthy of being called parents, just breeders. Why, even most animals take better care of their offspring.

I sometimes feel the world is going backwards. Good, caring human beings who would make great mothers and fathers choose not to have or are unable to have children, or have one child or two at the most, while horrible human beings who are not worthy of being parents simply breed like crazy!

No, it's got nothing to do with race or class or wealth or ethnicity or anything like that! There are good humans and bad ones in all races, ethnicities and classes. The good ones tend to have less kids or none at all, while the worse ones just keep breeding.

The scumbags who sexually abused you and your siblings as children with the knowledge of your "parent" deserve to suffer for their actions. I hope you are able to overcome your past trauma. I hope the same for your siblings as well.

The only siblings which were sexually abused was me, my other two sisters. One of which chose to become a paedophile herself. There is a large age gap between myself and my siblings. Almost 20 years age gap. They weren't really victims they were disgusting abusers like that parent. I wasn't born when some of them were children some were 18 when I was born. Their childhoods were no where as near as bad as mine. That's because the parent had eight children to look after therefore it didn't have enough time to abuse every single one all the time. Plus they were similar ages to each other the siblings. I however grew up being abused by many adults because my siblings also abused me. When I was a toddler some were in their early 20s. I was sexually abused by two siblings and a parent. My other siblings was sexually abused by three siblings and a parent. I don't actually refer to them as family. The siblings and that parent made my life a living hell and a horror movie. The siblings abuse was just as bad as the abuse from the parent and two sexually exploited me amongst themselves. The male brother as I call it, it would rape me when I was a baby and do other things. I must have been 2 when the raping started, it's sister who was 18 years older than me would trick me into the bedroom knowing what was going to happen and actually giggling as the rape occured watching it. I was molested by both siblings and a parent. The siblings some are worser than that parent and are pure evil. When there is a huge age gap unfortunately some people take advantage of that. When I was a toddler some were in their early 20s that's how huge the age gap is. The siblings weren't victims just disgraceful abusers. Only one adult sibling was molested and probably because it had special needs. The other siblings weren't molested. One of those siblings sexually abused that adult sibling and myself and another sibling. The other sibling sexually abused me too. The special needs elder sibling didn't sexually abuse me but sexually abused my other sibling who has autism. My siblings were adults abusing children because of the age gap. They didn't suffer horrendous or horrific abuse. Maybe some slaps here and there as children and neglect but that's all. Only one adult sibling who went on to molest was actually sexually abused. The other two weren't sexually abused but went on to molest. Not because they had been abused in that way themselves but because they were predatory in nature and saw two infant girls almost 20 years younger than them as easy prey. I was horrifically abused by a parent and siblings.

I'm so sorry to hear of your suffering and your siblings' suffering at the hands of an abusive, worthless piece of garbage "parent" after the other one committed suicide.

If your dead parent knew they were procreating with a known child abuser or at least someone who was not fit to be a parent, then they were most certainly selfish to bring you into this world and then commit suicide. And they together bred eight kids? That's beyond terrible!

I understand the horrors you and your siblings must have suffered when you are not even willing to write the words mother and father when you mention your parents. And rightfully so! They aren't even worthy of being called parents, just breeders. Why, even most animals take better care of their offspring.

I sometimes feel the world is going backwards. Good, caring human beings who would make great mothers and fathers choose not to have or are unable to have children, or have one child or two at the most, while horrible human beings who are not worthy of being parents simply breed like crazy!

No, it's got nothing to do with race or class or wealth or ethnicity or anything like that! There are good humans and bad ones in all races, ethnicities and classes. The good ones tend to have less kids or none at all, while the worse ones just keep breeding.

The scumbags who sexually abused you and your siblings as children with the knowledge of your "parent" deserve to suffer for their actions. I hope you are able to overcome your past trauma. I hope the same for your siblings as well.

The only siblings which were sexually abused was me, my other two sisters. One of which chose to become a paedophile herself. There is a large age gap between myself and my siblings. Almost 20 years age gap. They weren't really victims they were disgusting abusers like that parent. I wasn't born when some of them were children some were 18 when I was born. Their childhoods were no where as near as bad as mine. That's because the parent had eight children to look after therefore it didn't have enough time to abuse every single one all the time. Plus they were similar ages to each other the siblings. I however grew up being abused by many adults because my siblings also abused me. When I was a toddler some were in their early 20s. I was sexually abused by two siblings and a parent. My other siblings was sexually abused by three siblings and a parent. I don't actually refer to them as family. The siblings and that parent made my life a living hell and a horror movie. The siblings abuse was just as bad as the abuse from the parent and two sexually exploited me amongst themselves. The male brother as I call it, it would rape me when I was a baby and do other things. I must have been 2 when the raping started, it's sister who was 18 years older than me would trick me into the bedroom knowing what was going to happen and actually giggling as the rape occured watching it. I was molested by both siblings and a parent. The siblings some are worser than that parent and are pure evil. When there is a huge age gap unfortunately some people take advantage of that. When I was a toddler some were in their early 20s that's how huge the age gap is. The siblings weren't victims just disgraceful abusers. Only one adult sibling was molested and probably because it had special needs. The other siblings weren't molested. One of those siblings sexually abused that adult sibling and myself and another sibling. The other sibling sexually abused me too. The special needs elder sibling didn't sexually abuse me but sexually abused my other sibling who has autism. My siblings were adults abusing children because of the age gap. They didn't suffer horrendous or horrific abuse. Maybe some slaps here and there as children and neglect but that's all. Only one adult sibling who went on to molest was actually sexually abused. The other two weren't sexually abused but went on to molest. Not because they had been abused in that way themselves but because they were predatory in nature and saw two infant girls almost 20 years younger than them as easy prey. I was horrifically abused by a parent and siblings.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

If any of their children are under 18, yes. Now that kid will have to go through foster care and whatnot, which can be pretty terrible.

 

[Zeus35]

I'm so sorry to hear of your suffering and your siblings' suffering at the hands of an abusive, worthless piece of garbage "parent" after the other one committed suicide.

If your dead parent knew they were procreating with a known child abuser or at least someone who was not fit to be a parent, then they were most certainly selfish to bring you into this world and then commit suicide. And they together bred eight kids? That's beyond terrible!

I understand the horrors you and your siblings must have suffered when you are not even willing to write the words mother and father when you mention your parents. And rightfully so! They aren't even worthy of being called parents, just breeders. Why, even most animals take better care of their offspring.

I sometimes feel the world is going backwards. Good, caring human beings who would make great mothers and fathers choose not to have or are unable to have children, or have one child or two at the most, while horrible human beings who are not worthy of being parents simply breed like crazy!

No, it's got nothing to do with race or class or wealth or ethnicity or anything like that! There are good humans and bad ones in all races, ethnicities and classes. The good ones tend to have less kids or none at all, while the worse ones just keep breeding.

The scumbags who sexually abused you and your siblings as children with the knowledge of your "parent" deserve to suffer for their actions. I hope you are able to overcome your past trauma. I hope the same for your siblings as well.

I hope the siblings rot in hell. Three of them are paedophiles of the worst kind themselves and out of those three only one was molested. The parent I have no clue if it was ever molested. I was abused by the parent and the siblings they were horrific monsters. I was abused in different ways by most of them. The elder brother 17 years older than me used to rape me from age 2. Maybe even 1 I don't know but I think it was around 2. He would have been 19. He used to beat the living daylights out of me. Imagine an infant being beaten by a grown man. The siblings are not victims but abusers themselves. Myself and my other sibling who is were molested and an adult sibling.
They preyed on us the parent and the other siblings because of our disabilities and nothing else. The ones who weren't disabled were never molested

 

[.............]

My mother has told me time and time again that she was the one that brought me into the world even if I didn't want to be here. She tells me that she's obligated to helping me until I can become fully independent. She's told me herself that she doesn't care if she dies once I'm stable in life, because she's done all she can to help me by that point. I think all parents, especially those who feel the need to CTB, should have this mindset.

 

[FuneralCry]

Suicide is a human right and nobody should be forced to live, but for me what is selfish is bringing humans into this world in the first place. Life is completely unnecessary, we were all perfectly fine not existing until we were forced to live. I see life as just being meaningless suffering.

 

[pikku.tiikeri]

I hope the siblings rot in hell. Three of them are paedophiles of the worst kind themselves and out of those three only one was molested. The parent I have no clue if it was ever molested. I was abused by the parent and the siblings they were horrific monsters. I was abused in different ways by most of them. The elder brother 17 years older than me used to rape me from age 2. Maybe even 1 I don't know but I think it was around 2. He would have been 19. He used to beat the living daylights out of me. Imagine an infant being beaten by a grown man. The siblings are not victims but abusers themselves. Myself and my other sibling who is were molested and an adult sibling.
They preyed on us the parent and the other siblings because of our disabilities and nothing else. The ones who weren't disabled were never molested

OMG! That's a family of brutes. I cannot imagine the horrors you and your two sisters suffered from a young age at the hands of your parent and siblings. They would have scarred you for life. And nine kids over two decades? They were prolific breeders but pathetic parents to have abused you and allowed others to abuse you so badly.

I'm the only child of my parents. When I was a kid, I envied my friends and cousins who all had at least one sibling each. I was the only one without a sibling. Lonely as I was, I used to yearn for the company of a sibling.

Your abusive siblings are monsters bred and raised by a horrible couple. I understand why you say your parent who committed suicide was selfish. They were indeed selfish to have brought you into this world when the other parent was a known abuser. Both your parents were horrible ones for having nine kids but not raising them well.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Yes I know the parent killed themselves, it's on thr death certificate and they were found by a dog walked hanging from a tree in the park. I don't agree with the child thing, because they had eight children before I was born some alot older than me so they knew exactly how they felt and what they were doing. This parent actually never had one picture with me of even holding me or looking at me but had pictures with their other children. If that doesn't make me feel unloved and abandoned I don't know what would. Imagine being singled out in that way. The person shouldn't have had children when they knew they were having them with someone who was abusive towards their other children. Imagine selfishly creating a child with a child abuser, and then cowardly backing out of all of your children's lives and leaving them in the unsafe environment you created them into. The person knew exactly what they were doing. I was sexually abused, physically, emotionally abused a few times a week for almost an entire decade and severely neglected by that other parent. I was left with a monster. I lived in foster care because of the abuse. The rest of my childhood because I was in foster care there wasn't really much any abuse apart from when I'd run to relatives whilst in foster care because I'd trauma bonded to them and had Stockholm syndrome, or when my visits weren't supervised properly and when I was made to live with them. There was some abuse in care but not much, I mainly just moved around alot so suffered extreme emotional abuse in that sense.

Eight before I was born over two decades. I am the youngest. A few of my siblings are child molesters to and I unfortunately fell prey to them. They're alot older than me. I'm talking almost 20 years older than me.

The only siblings which were sexually abused was me, my other two sisters. One of which chose to become a paedophile herself. There is a large age gap between myself and my siblings. Almost 20 years age gap. They weren't really victims they were disgusting abusers like that parent. I wasn't born when some of them were children some were 18 when I was born. Their childhoods were no where as near as bad as mine. That's because the parent had eight children to look after therefore it didn't have enough time to abuse every single one all the time. Plus they were similar ages to each other the siblings. I however grew up being abused by many adults because my siblings also abused me. When I was a toddler some were in their early 20s. I was sexually abused by two siblings and a parent. My other siblings was sexually abused by three siblings and a parent. I don't actually refer to them as family. The siblings and that parent made my life a living hell and a horror movie. The siblings abuse was just as bad as the abuse from the parent and two sexually exploited me amongst themselves. The male brother as I call it, it would rape me when I was a baby and do other things. I must have been 2 when the raping started, it's sister who was 18 years older than me would trick me into the bedroom knowing what was going to happen and actually giggling as the rape occured watching it. I was molested by both siblings and a parent. The siblings some are worser than that parent and are pure evil. When there is a huge age gap unfortunately some people take advantage of that. When I was a toddler some were in their early 20s that's how huge the age gap is. The siblings weren't victims just disgraceful abusers. Only one adult sibling was molested and probably because it had special needs. The other siblings weren't molested. One of those siblings sexually abused that adult sibling and myself and another sibling. The other sibling sexually abused me too. The special needs elder sibling didn't sexually abuse me but sexually abused my other sibling who has autism. My siblings were adults abusing children because of the age gap. They didn't suffer horrendous or horrific abuse. Maybe some slaps here and there as children and neglect but that's all. Only one adult sibling who went on to molest was actually sexually abused. The other two weren't sexually abused but went on to molest. Not because they had been abused in that way themselves but because they were predatory in nature and saw two infant girls almost 20 years younger than them as easy prey. I was horrifically abused by a parent and siblings.

The only siblings which were sexually abused was me, my other two sisters. One of which chose to become a paedophile herself. There is a large age gap between myself and my siblings. Almost 20 years age gap. They weren't really victims they were disgusting abusers like that parent. I wasn't born when some of them were children some were 18 when I was born. Their childhoods were no where as near as bad as mine. That's because the parent had eight children to look after therefore it didn't have enough time to abuse every single one all the time. Plus they were similar ages to each other the siblings. I however grew up being abused by many adults because my siblings also abused me. When I was a toddler some were in their early 20s. I was sexually abused by two siblings and a parent. My other siblings was sexually abused by three siblings and a parent. I don't actually refer to them as family. The siblings and that parent made my life a living hell and a horror movie. The siblings abuse was just as bad as the abuse from the parent and two sexually exploited me amongst themselves. The male brother as I call it, it would rape me when I was a baby and do other things. I must have been 2 when the raping started, it's sister who was 18 years older than me would trick me into the bedroom knowing what was going to happen and actually giggling as the rape occured watching it. I was molested by both siblings and a parent. The siblings some are worser than that parent and are pure evil. When there is a huge age gap unfortunately some people take advantage of that. When I was a toddler some were in their early 20s that's how huge the age gap is. The siblings weren't victims just disgraceful abusers. Only one adult sibling was molested and probably because it had special needs. The other siblings weren't molested. One of those siblings sexually abused that adult sibling and myself and another sibling. The other sibling sexually abused me too. The special needs elder sibling didn't sexually abuse me but sexually abused my other sibling who has autism. My siblings were adults abusing children because of the age gap. They didn't suffer horrendous or horrific abuse. Maybe some slaps here and there as children and neglect but that's all. Only one adult sibling who went on to molest was actually sexually abused. The other two weren't sexually abused but went on to molest. Not because they had been abused in that way themselves but because they were predatory in nature and saw two infant girls almost 20 years younger than them as easy prey. I was horrifically abused by a parent and siblings.

Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. To mine and other poster's defense, none of these were facts were presented at the onset of your post. What you is describe is as horrific as it gets and I can't imagine having to endure anything like this in my life, and even as suck-filed as my life is, I can still honestly say I am thankful for not having to have endured anything like that. I'm sure I'd feel exactly what you feel if I had. I'm so sorry that you, or anyone, had to live through a nightmare like this.

 

[Zeus35]

OMG! That's a family of brutes. I cannot imagine the horrors you and your two sisters suffered from a young age at the hands of your parent and siblings. They would have scarred you for life. And nine kids over two decades? They were prolific breeders but pathetic parents to have abused you and allowed others to abuse you so badly.

I'm the only child of my parents. When I was a kid, I envied my friends and cousins who all had at least one sibling each. I was the only one without a sibling. Lonely as I was, I used to yearn for the company of a sibling.

Your abusive siblings are monsters bred and raised by a horrible couple. I understand why you say your parent who committed suicide was selfish. They were indeed selfish to have brought you into this world when the other parent was a known abuser. Both your parents were horrible ones for having nine kids but not raising them well.

Three of us were sexually abused. One is 15 years older than me. She too was sexually abused but she became a paedophile and sexually abused my sister (were twins) were the youngest, shese 15 years older than us. 10 children in total. She was a brute to my twin sister, sexually abused and physically abused the hell out of her. She tried to break my arms, and would lift me out of my crib by my hair. She may have been a victim bit she was pure evil.

Three of us were sexually abused. One is 15 years older than me. She too was sexually abused but she became a paedophile and sexually abused my sister (were twins) were the youngest, shese 15 years older than us. 10 children in total. She was a brute to my twin sister, sexually abused and physically abused the hell out of her. She tried to break my arms, and would lift me out of my crib by my hair. She may have been a victim bit she was pure evil.

8 children then me and my twin were born so 10. I just didn't want questions about my twin hence why I didn't mention her. I also don't want questions about her as I don't talk to her

 

[Glowarm]

I don't think it's selfish. However I don't know the individual circumstances either. In general I feel the suicide is a deeply personal action. Every person is different with different limits and different feelings. When leaving a child or children behind is involved, it does add a lot more complexity to the decision. I know someone who has put off ctb because they had a child. But they also adopted many unhealthy coping mechanisms to deal with their almost constant wanting of ctb. And tbh, kids aren't dumb, they picked up on those things.
So in closing, it may be selfish and it may not be selfish. I don't know what each person's breaking point is.

 

[Bleunoir]

Being a suicidal parent of a 12 yo I can totally relate. The emotional pain can get so intense and overwhelming that nothing else matters anymore. You just want a way out without thinking about consequences. It doesn't feel egoistic at all at the moment .

 

[WorthlessTrash]

A friend of my sister, her father shot himself in his garage. But I imagine whatever he went through was too much to bare. Ripped the girl apart.

Ripping apart family members is one reason why I haven't gone to the bus stop yet.

 

[Judy Garland]

...and the crowd yelled, "Crucify Him! Crucify Him!".