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I think there is a a lot of context needed. Would a less brutal punishment be possible? Or is it a yes or no question. There is also a question is death actually a punishment. I think for Epstein death was less of a punishment compared to a couple of decades as pedo criminal in US prisons.

Honestly, I think I don't want any of my enemies to be dead. At least the ones who I now in person. And who or not responsible for genocides all around the world. I won't mention names. Lol.

But yesterday I talked a lot about how I made myself some enemies recently. My former therapist who wants to cut me off from social programms with her lies in my medical records. She probably cannot do that. Notes of therapists are subjective. Whereas reports of clinic stays are more hard evidence. And damn I had a lot of them in the recent years.
I think the way I am socialized I could not kill someone directly. And I don't want to. But one could say one prays to God that someone dies. However, it is a huge difference between such a thought and actually carrying it out.

I had this thought not really because I had such fantasies. I had extreme arguments with my self-help group (they try to gaslight me) and with my therapist recently. How would I feel if they killed themselves because of this argument. It is extremely unlikely. But in both cases because I acted somewhat intelligent I am in the better position. My therapist might will get no punishment. But I am way more credible. She said she feels embarrassed due to my actions. Yes, because she acted extremely immoral in her role as therapist and I have hard evidence for that.
I think there is the master student in my self-help group. I think I hurt her. And I tried to see where she was coming from. She doesn't know when we dated and she rejected me in a brutal way I was in an acute suicidality clinic because of her. Some months later I realized she was dating 5 men at the same time behind the back of her boyfriend. And it slipped that I was an adventure for her all the time. I wasn't really angry at her for that. I thought it was my fault for being so naive. She has borderline. At first she liked me a lot but she played with me. And she manipulated me. I tried to settle a dispute in the self-help group. There are two women who bully each other. You know I was sort of judgemental in my head towards the master student. Because the way she acts towards her boyfriend is insane. The level of cheating is insane. It is only emotional but how she talked about him and the relationship. She treats it like dirt. And afterwards it slipped all of this for an adventure? I tried to be defensive. She became more and more aggressive towards me. My thought was when they go low we go high. I think in most cases this does not work. But it worked in this instance. In the way I defended myself I hurt her a lot I think. But I was with my back against the wall. And I don't let her bully me. This is what I have learned. Don't let people bully you. Because they will take advantage of that. And in my relation with my therapist I am scared I might showed too often that I am smarter than her. But it doesn't justify lying in my medical records to ruin my life.

I could imagine these people would want to see me dead. Maybe I am demonizing them. While I am pretending to be morally superior. At the same time maybe ruminating about all of this shows that I have some feelings for ethics. Or maybe I am only showing this side on this forum to feel morally superior while in reality I am actually not. I a,m creating a certain profile of me on here. This is something that bugged me in the self-help group. I couldn't talk honestly about how I was feeling because I knew if I showed weakness they would take advantage of it. And this isn't like a self-help group should be.

I don't think it was horrible to have hatred or anger at me. There are huge differences between vague hatred and concrete actions. Though, I think both of them would hurt me if they could because they actually tried.

I think there is one thing to consider. Whether the pain the other person is causing is acute or not. For example, you live at home and your parents torture you everyday. And the only way to escape it was violence. I think in such cases it is considered self-defense. The more nasty thing is resentment. Then it is simply not worth it. One can have such thoughts I hope this person never existed. I wish I never met the person. But when the contact stops the most healthy thing is to move on. I alos had the idea to rub it in the wounds of to the self-help group members. But I simply don't want to be such a person. I think it would not be good for my self-worth. Even though, I felt strong when I was able to defend myself in these heated arguments. I learned a lot from being bullied as a teenager. I think I am going to ghost these people. In fact I would consider it pathetic if I rubbed it in their wounds. This is something a loser would do or someone who is still hurt but cannot process it/or admit it. I feel sorry for other people they will bully. And I think the master student probably bullied a lot of people. From how I perceive her. We once talked about bullying and she said never in her life was she bullied. In the moment I asked this and the way she answered it my gut feeling told me that she was on the other side of the equation. And for these people I might had a victory. But I think in the end I showed her the mirror. And this must hurt a lot. It is also punishment when you play a charade in front of all the people you know. You hurt them and they never know your real personality. And then someone else sees through all of that, notices your real character and well the person shows you how much they judge you for it. I think I am a principled person. And I find her behavior horrible. On the other hand, I think she does not have a real chance to change herself if this is how she functions. The only chance she has it to hate herself for it. And this is a nasty choice. I deal with the same. But maybe I am projecting something into her mind. I am uncertain about it.

I think in this whole thread I am just judging other people while I portray myself as a saint. When I had a heated argument with my mom years ago I told her I hope she dies or rots in hell for abusing me. And that I hope I ruin her life when I kill myself. I was in a lot of pain to that time. I didn't take my medication. And I was in a very dark spot. I am glad our relationship improved. Since I identify myself more with autism I came to the conclusion. Maybe I am so lonely (no partner) not because I was abused which fucked me up completely. Maybe my autism would have ruined it anyway. And all men in my family have depression. I changed completely when I was 14. Like I was a new person. There was an extreme bullying incident that made me really paranoid with 14. This changed my brain chemistry. I was full of power, agitated and I became extremely motivated to work on my career/education a year after this incident. Before that I watched all the time trash TV with no limits. Retrospectively, a mixed manic-depressive episode started. And soon afterwards the suicidal thoughts started. And my mom still beated me up on a daily basis.

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I think for Epstein death was less of a punishment compared to a couple of decades as pedo criminal in US prisons.
I hate this myth. What I wouldn't give for the man who abused me to have been shanked like people claim happen to predators in prison. Society really wants street justice to be more popular and widespread than it really is. It makes it easier to ignore how fucked up it is that so many predators basically get the minimum time in prison and only their victims have to pay the price.

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I hate this myth. What I wouldn't give for the man who abused me to have been shanked like people claim happen to predators in prison. Society really wants street justice to be more popular and widespread than it really is. It makes it easier to ignore how fucked up it is that so many predators basically get the minimum time in prison and only their victims have to pay the price.

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Isn't violence is US prisons quite common? Especially, against groomers? I think there are some reasons why some people commit suicide in prisons. They seem to consider death to be a lesser of two evils.

Though, Maxwell gets a luxury prison treatment. That's true.
 
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Isn't violence is US prisons quite common? Especially, against groomers?
People say that, but I know too many victims who's abusers lived completely fine in prison for it to be as widespread as people say. Some prisons just ignore why the person is in there. Some prisons have high concentration of predators anyway.
 
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Honestly I can only speak from my own experiences rather than others or the hypothetical because you can say this or that but your opinions and views and actual actions can so easily change in a snap given the right situation.

My answer is not necessarily.

There was someone I had a really ugly and bitter feud with a handful of years ago. At the time I thought I was in the right and that she was in the wrong and that I could be the one to get justice.

Looking back it was foolish and it turned out I didn't have all the information and I don't think she did in the end either. The situation was made ugly long before either of us had anything to do with it. It's embarrassing looking back but also deeply painful because none of it had to be that way at all.

But regardless, for that period of time we were bitter enemies. Now, we are certainly not friends. We do not acknowledge each other when our paths cross and that's for the better. I have no idea how she feels but I hope it's better than I realize she felt throughout that entire ordeal. I don't hate her and I even forgive her.

But even in the heat of my anger to her I did not wish her dead. I never would and I think that largely speaks to how I am as a person but also this human idea of future hope for either justice or redemption - both of which I'm afraid are exceedingly rare and yet we make room for it anyway for some reason.
 
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I suppose it partly depends whether they are still causing us and other people harm. I suppose for actual child molestors/ rapists say- who pose a serious threat if they are released- truthfully? Yeah- I'd rather they were gone. I don't think our justice or policing systems are adequate to maintain people's safety.

For example- a case that shook the UK was the torture and murder of the two year old, James Bulger by two ten year old boys. Obviously- they were minors at the time- so their sentencing was complicated.

They were eventually released with new identities but one boy has already been re-imprisoned in 2010 and 2017 for possessing child pornography. Yet, he's still being considered for parole. Some people I think continue to pose a risk to others their entire lives. And without having constant scrutiny over them- which would be criticized as an invasion of privacy and cost the earth I imagine, I don't see how they can be trusted.

I suppose death would guarantee that the person can no longer hurt people. It doesn't exactly undo the damage they did though. Maybe the better solution would be that they never existed in the first place or, that our lives never overlapped.

That's what I tend to wish more. That I'd never even met the person who caused my ideation in the first place. I suspect they wish that too. I doubt it was a great time for either of us.

In terms of harm reduction though- if it would actually work- I probably would be relieved at the assaination of the odd dictator. There's a scene in 'The Dead Zone' where the protagonist (who is able to see a person's future) asks his doctor whether he would kill a young Hitler. The doctor replied that- as someone who vowes to preserve life- he would kill him to save thousands.

Of course, it probably doesn't work like that. The removal of one person doesn't necessarily topple an ideology. It can presumably fuel it sometimes. So, I think it's complicated.
 
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For example- a case that shook the UK was the torture and murder of the two year old, James Bulger by two ten year old boys. Obviously- they were minors at the time- so their sentencing was complicated.
Even the media in Germany discussed this case.

I agree the difference is whether they are still actively harming other people. Though, as long as it doesn't affect us any more we try to move on. That's healthy. But will they search for a new target after our paths split?
 
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Even the media in Germany discussed this case.

I agree the difference is whether they are still actively harming other people. Though, as long as it doesn't affect us any more we try to move on. That's healthy. But will they search for a new target after our paths split?

That's what I wonder about too. Do these people really change or, do they just move on to new victims?

I think that's where the internet has helped people. For example- romance scammers can start to get a notorious reputation online.
 
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That's what I wonder about too. Do these people really change or, do they just move on to new victims?

I think that's where the internet has helped people. For example- romance scammers can start to get a notorious reputation online.
I have the feeling it depends on the person. Many teenagers are bullies and at the same time bullied. I have the feeling a teenager has the higher chance to improve than an adult. But this is just my gut feeling.
 
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I have the feeling it depends on the person. Many teenagers are bullies and at the same time bullied. I have the feeling a teenager has the higher chance to improve than an adult. But this is just my gut feeling.
Ironically, the lack of suppprt in the justice system and the public eye on the case can often be the reason teens like this don't get better.

I have mixed opinions on making cases involving children as perpetrators a "big media thing." That dooms a lot of people. I've seen actual people wishing for the death on the girls from the Slenderman killing, even while they're actively in a memtal facility.
 
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I used to, maybe, but those feelings are a burden. And I guess I have enough to carry without that.
 

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