Why do people say suicide is selfish and a sin

[N-methylamphetamine]

If anything keeping someone alive for their own interests is selfish. And Suicide wasnt orginally a sin, but rather a respectable act of selflessness/martyrdom. It wasn't until Augustine declared the suicide of a rape victim, Lucretia, to be more of a sin than the rape committed against her that the Catholics/Christians took the idea of "discarding the gift of life that god gave" and ran with it. This also allowed for the church to stop naming regular, run-of-the-mill people as martyrs when they volunteered to die for Christ. Just another means of disregard and manipulation by the church.

 

[Worndown]

They say it because they were programed to say such Godly things.

 

[Ta555]

They say it because they've never been suicidal themselves and are speaking from pure ignorance.

 

[apple2myeye!]

brainwashing starting from a very young age and crippling neurotypicality (among other things). it's honestly revolting how much society (and not just "western" society) is built around pleasing old racist dick measuring pedophiles under the guise of "serving" a manipulative reptilian woman-beating "god" (or MULTIPLE manipulative reptilian woman-beating "gods", depending on where you happen to be born). why even bother?

 

[LeavingEarly]

If anything keeping someone alive for their own interests is selfish. And Suicide wasnt orginally a sin, but rather a respectable act of selflessness/martyrdom. It wasn't until Augustine declared the suicide of a rape victim, Lucretia, to be more of a sin than the rape committed against her that the Catholics/Christians took the idea of "discarding the gift of life that god gave" and ran with it. This also allowed for the church to stop naming regular, run-of-the-mill people as martyrs when they volunteered to die for Christ. Just another means of disregard and manipulation by the church.

If Jesus is all powerful then he committed suicide allowing himself to be put to death.

 

[WanderingWater]

Fear of the "Unknown".

 

[picklemick]

Anytime religion is involved people say dumb shit.

 

[Euthanza]

Because they're not suicidal and they don't understand their worldview is based on ignorance. We hardly can't reason with people who talk about sin better than ones who talk about disease.

I notice the same word "help" is interpreted in contrast by pro-suffering vs pro-choice.

 

[Alex6216]

brainwashing starting from a very young age and crippling neurotypicality (among other things). it's honestly revolting how much society (and not just "western" society) is built around pleasing old racist dick measuring pedophiles under the guise of "serving" a manipulative reptilian woman-beating "god" (or MULTIPLE manipulative reptilian woman-beating "gods", depending on where you happen to be born). why even bother?

Reptilian?
Please don't tell me you believe in some ancient astronaut/lizard-people conspiracy theory....

 

[NeverReallyHere]

Suicide is the ultimate method of breaking someone's power and control over you, so various societies around the world which are based on systems of control have to find ways to prevent us doing it.

 

[splashofvanilla]

Because it affects them i have never heard of someone saying that a randoms suicide is selfish its a way to stop something that they dont like and will affect them withouth actually caring

 

[FuneralCry]

If someone says that suicide is selfish, I agree that they are actually the selfish one expecting someone to suffer against their wishes until they die from old age. Suicide could never be selfish, we all have the right to exit at a time of our own choosing. If a person thinks that suicide is selfish it is likely because they do not want to lose the people in their life and they are just thinking about themselves rather than the pain that suicidal people go through. These people have no understanding as to what suicidal people have to endure.

I think that if someone is saying nonsense like suicide is selfish and a sin, it is best to just ignore them. Death will come for us all one day eventually and there is nothing wrong with someone deciding to exit at a time of their own choosing.

 

[8evergo]

"Suicide is selfish" I can't hear that selfish phrase anymore

 

[Shu]

Reptilian?
Please don't tell me you believe in some ancient astronaut/lizard-people conspiracy theory....

Who cares what people believe.

 

[apple2myeye!]

Reptilian?
Please don't tell me you believe in some ancient astronaut/lizard-people conspiracy theory....

i honestly have no idea why i said "reptilian" lol. i do believe in a few conspiracy theories but lizardpeople isn't one of them (i don't think). i guess "reptilian" was just the first word that came to me. i was having a bit of an episode™ last night so sorry if that post came off as weird or overly aggressive

 

[Lost Magic]

Same as why ignorant people say suicide is cowardly. They hear trite stuff growing up with no thoughts of their own. Why don't they just admit that being born is something none of us asked for? Some of us just don't want to be here and never have.

 

[Flying Away]

If Jesus is all powerful then he committed suicide allowing himself to be put to death.

So true

 

[toforigivelife]

I agree that suicide prevention can equal pro-suffering or an indifference to the suffering of others.

People call it a sin as a scare tactic.

They call it selfish because of the impact that suicide leaves in its wake.

The grief, those left behind anguishing over what they could've done to prevent it, anguishing over whether negative interactions between them and the person who committed suicide caused it.

They also call it selfish because they see suicide as completely preventable.

If those who've tried the medication/professional help/therapy route and those remedies failed could have an the same type of honest conversation with those who would be hurt by their suicide the same way that those who are dying of a physical illness that would be helpful.

If the person who wants to CTB could explain that their mind is failing and that this has made life as unbearable as any physical illness and then allow those who would be left behind to ask questions, resolve emotional issues and resolve anything that would cause survivors to ever feel any guilt over a person's decision to end their life and their suffering that might make dying by suicide a lot easier for everyone.

Survivors could learn to accept and make peace with the suicide person's death rather than be blindsided by it and spend the rest of their lives asking agonizing questions.

But those who want to end their lives don't get those kind of opportunities.

To have these conversations would also require people to understand mental illness, understand that mental illness is not always treatable and to understand the day to day, hour to hour, moment to moment pain that mental illness causes and that makes life unbearable.

 

[Romeo1984]

If anything keeping someone alive for their own interests is selfish. And Suicide wasnt orginally a sin, but rather a respectable act of selflessness/martyrdom. It wasn't until Augustine declared the suicide of a rape victim, Lucretia, to be more of a sin than the rape committed against her that the Catholics/Christians took the idea of "discarding the gift of life that god gave" and ran with it. This also allowed for the church to stop naming regular, run-of-the-mill people as martyrs when they volunteered to die for Christ. Just another means of disregard and manipulation by the church.

For people who think suicide is a sin, I say it makes no sense.
God is said to be the creator, holder of all knowledge and power. So if someone decides to take his own life and that would displease God, he could do anything to prevent it since he knows and can do everything, even before anyone is born.
If God doesn't agree with suicide and can do something and still doesn't do it, God besides being sadistic with the suffering of his son, has no right to complain.
If God does not agree with suicide and cannot do something, then God is not God, for he is not all powerful as they say.

Others say, that our life is not ours. So I say to the owner of this life to come and take care of it and leave me alone. If the gift of life has been given to me, then I am fully entitled to what I want to do with it.

There is no sense in the absurd ideas of religious people. Just think about and question these people, and then we'll see that they don't have solid arguments.

About selfishness, when we talk openly about our pain, do people have compassion and accept our decision? No, on the contrary, they want us to stay here and suffer, whatever the cost, just for their well-being. Is this not selfishness on their part? They're just thinking about themselves.