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IdentityDoe

IdentityDoe

What is freedom when demanded of you by a god?
Jan 14, 2026
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There's something called the "Youth Poisoning Protection Act" (https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/1442/text) in the USA that aims to ban products with a high concentration of Sodium Nitrite (>10%) to Individuals. This came about after a bunch of young people bought SN through amazon (when it was still easy to get) and unfortunately ended their lives with it. Their parents obviously were furious about this and brought the matter to a legal standpoint leading to this act to be considered. The problem with all of that is... compared to many other methods of CTB, SN and similar chemicals (Potassium Cyanide, Sodium Azide etc...) have a very low purchase to death rate when put side by side to other methods.
Guns kill more people but they aren't banned? Why not? Second Amendment??? Can SN kill 3 people at once in seconds? If not why ban SN? It just looks like people over-react the moment some new "Poison" starts getting used, even though SN inherently has some other uses that aren't poisoning people (funnily enough it's also a treatment for cyanide poisoning).
The problem with banning stuff left and right is eventually, it'll reach a point where all non painful methods are completely unavailable for average people to buy... If you don't work for a business that uses those chemicals you're essentially screwed and have to rely on stuff that will give you brain or bodily damage... Do they want people to drink bleach and rat poison? (because that's a much better way to die right!?)... Do you want to know that your loved one died a horrific death rather than a relatively peaceful one? I don't understand the logic behind that. If you ban one thing they'll just use whatever else they can get their hands on, and that level of desperation is what creates dangerous situations.
I also personally believe that companies like Amazon and individual sellers who sell chemicals without coaching someone into CTB, shouldn't be held liable by what other people choose to do with them. If you go out of your way to buy SN and use it, those are still your actions, and the parents of these people (especially the adult "victims" over 20 years old) shouldn't blame others for what the chemical their child bought did. If someone shot up a school with a gun we wouldn't be saying "arrest the person that sold them the gun" we would be blaming the person that shot and killed innocent people because their actions led to other peoples deaths. So why is it different when it comes to CTB of adults where they are treated as if they don't know what they want and evil Amazon has to be sued for selling them poison?
 
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nihilistic_dragon

nihilistic_dragon

Dead already. Just need to dispose of my body now.
Aug 6, 2024
878
It's really sad, isn't it. I hate the fact that we are forced into this existence, yet we are forbidden to have a way out of it. A way that's painless, easy, free of fear of waking up with brain damage to a judgmental world.
 
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sanctionedusage

sanctioned sausage
Sep 17, 2025
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literally anything just to not have to revamp their shitty psychiatry industry into an actual medical science, and anything to avoid responsibility for a first world country that's somehow still shitty enough to warrant the suicide rates we have
 
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FuneralCry

FuneralCry

Just wanting some peace
Sep 24, 2020
46,991
It's just horrific extreme cruelty, those anti-suicide people just want to make others suffer and be tortured by this existence for as much and as long as possible, all those people do is just cause so much more suffering and harm. There's just so much evil in how they make dying painlessly a crime with the suffering and torture of existing seen as to force and prolong no matter what, it's all so terrible to me, I always suffer so unbearably from being trapped in this horrific anti-suicide world.
 
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Jisatsu

Jisatsu

黒恄薔薇(The Black Rose)
Jan 5, 2025
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Why do you think I've been making post about benzocaine ?
 
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lpdsvm

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Jan 11, 2026
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They won't ban rope. It sucks but it's better if combined with the siphon effect like in that famous video.
 
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Unlucky777

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Dec 10, 2025
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Guns will never be banned because they generate like 100 billion dollars in revenue every year.
 
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SoLowHollow48

SoLowHollow48

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Nov 24, 2025
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Kind of makes me wonder how this will affect meat businesses; people who make sausages, cured meats, etc. I wonder if they'd disagree with the ban.
 
intr0verse

intr0verse

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Jan 29, 2021
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On the other hand, restricting access to means does reduce the overall number of suicides. There aren't too many of those able to do jumping, hanging or other more violent means. I know for sure i wouldn't be able to, so in the eyes and the statistics of the pro-life guys, there you have, one suicide prevented. That's all they care, statistics and the feel-good about themselves.
 
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Mar 16, 2025
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Has it been proven that banning substances like this actually lowers the suicide rate, or do those poor souls just end up using more violent methods?
 
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leloyon

leloyon

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Feb 4, 2023
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They want to seem like they're doing something about it. That's it. They don't care how ridiculous it looks because most people either won't care, or will fall for what they're spewing and cheer it on.
Kind of makes me wonder how this will affect meat businesses; people who make sausages, cured meats, etc. I wonder if they'd disagree with the ban.
Yeah, I wonder...

EDIT: omg its max stirner...
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
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Kind of makes me wonder how this will affect meat businesses; people who make sausages, cured meats, etc. I wonder if they'd disagree with the ban.

Businesses will presumably still be able to buy it- if they can assertain they are legitimate. Not sure about hobby meat curers. They may still be able to buy mixes I guess- with lower concentrations in.



The problem I suppose is that they don't want to legalise assisted suicide without it being highly regulated and only available to those with terminal/ chronic illness- if we even get that far.

Presumably, if a legitimate store sold a gun to a 10 year old- they would be in trouble. Whether they shot themselves or someone else or, their parents found out.

I suppose retailers could be forced to slap an age restriction on buying the product. Interestingly, Kenneth Law began asking for proof of age before he was arrested. Perhaps because a 17 year old suicided with it and he realised deaths amongst minors would bring him more heat. But- slapping an age requirement on something is a sort of acknowledgement that it's being bought for something potentially dangerous and adult.

It frustrates me too that the relatively peaceful methods are so hard to come by but I suppose ultimately, the question is: Is everyone that suicides in a rational enough frame of mind to make that decision? In the case of a ten year old, or someone suffering a psychotic episode- maybe not. So- can you trust an online retailer say to judge a person's mental capacity?

We don't pick and choose who we sell knives, guns, alcohol and fireworks to. We are given a set of guidelines it's a legal obligation to follow. Foremost of which is ascertaining their age.

I suppose personally- I think they're faced with a few options. Legalise assisted suicide. Make it available to more people. How do you imagine the first 10 parents of 18 year olds would react if their young adult left for uni one morning and didn't come back though? Do you imagine the general public would be happy if anyone could choose to die whenever? If they don't legalise it and don't regulate lethal substances at all- minors will get hold of it. I suspect all we're likely to see is assisted suicide coming in, and for only the very ill.

Left totally unregulated though- it would be naive to think there wouldn't be a lot of deaths amongst minors. And it's naive to think their parents wouldn't be angry about that- surely? Maybe we can be callous and say- They ought to have noticed their child was so unhappy. Why was their child so unhappy in the first place? Really though- it's obvious it wouldn't be sustainable. Parents aren't willing to lose their children. So- unfortunately, the rest of us- once adult- have to pay that price in order to protect them. We're up against the majority here. I'd imagine most people don't in fact want everyone to have the opportunity to exit easily.
 
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Left totally unregulated though- it would be naive to think there wouldn't be a lot of deaths amongst minors. And it's naive to think their parents wouldn't be angry about that- surely? Maybe we can be callous and say- They ought to have noticed their child was so unhappy. Why was their child so unhappy in the first place? Really though- it's obvious it wouldn't be sustainable. Parents aren't willing to lose their children. So- unfortunately, the rest of us- once adult- have to pay that price in order to protect them. We're up against the majority here. I'd imagine most people don't in fact want everyone to have the opportunity to exit easily.

really good post, @Forever Sleep. after reading the title i immediately thought of kids buying it online and that it's very cut and dry for the parents. no one would advocate for more dead kids. it'd also be easy to buy sn while having a mental health crisis, since anyone cab pop open their amazon app and type in sodium nitrite. since the feds know sn can be used for suicide they have to make restrictions for it, because they'd be dealing with legal trouble if they didn't. it's easy understand why sn can only be bought by businesses, since a regular person looks really sketchy trying to get pure sodium nitrite. most hobbyists would buy the less pure curing salt still on amazon.

EDIT: omg its max stirner...
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