Discussion What do you guys think about this? - Youtube video What Happens In The Afterlife To People Who Commit Suicide?

[LadyApple]

I want to believe it but I don't see hope in my current life.

Thoughts?

 

[Mofreeko]

It's just like every other theory out there. Personally I'm hoping for oblivion.

 

[Pluto]

I hadn't heard of Bob Olson before but just watched the whole video. I've spent 20+ years interested in this topic and can say that on the whole, I agree with all of his research conclusions. There are some small details that I could nitpick, but overall his commentary is very well-researched and on-point to the best of my knowledge.

Given the quantity of points made, it's frustratingly hard to qualify the depth of study that goes into summarising conclusions as he did. Even worse, mobs of fear-mongering religious people will propagate myths like eternal hell and get away with it just because their perspective aligns with the cultural norms of the day. Thoughtful and intelligent researchers like Mr. Olson are worth the effort to find.

Entire fields of research (After-Death Communications, pre-birth memories, spiritually-transformative experiences and near-death experiences, the consensus of mediums and the list goes on) tend to converge on the most critical points. If it were possible to have mature discussions on each of these points, we could go into detail on that evidence. But I've never found a forum environment where that type of discussion is available (both spiritually aware and tolerant of suicide).

I was particularly interested in Mr Olson's point about suicide being a disappointment in the face of various beings involved in the lifetime's pre-planning and execution. This one splits me right down the middle.

On the one hand, I've had times in my life when I've had exactly the right thing happen at the right time, which is sufficient evidence that there is help in the background along the lines of spirit guides or similar. And yet, the overall trajectory of this lifetime has been one of ever-increasing pain despite endless efforts made, poverty despite very hard work/investment, isolation despite endless attempts to reach out, and an ultimate failure to master the lowest level of Maslow's pyramid despite decades of fighting like mad. And dedicating myself to purely spiritual pursuits has proven impossible in the face of chronic discomfort and fatigue.

I have learned to cultivate a reasonably loving state despite coming from a rough background, but I must say this: even if God almighty accused me of not trying hard enough, I would very politely tell Him to go fuck Himself. I remember the ex-forum user GoodPersonEffed's final thread made a similar remark - accountability is a two-way street and people who are absolutely left to die in agony despite begging for assistance and taking all possible practical action should be the ones on the receiving end of an apology, not the other way around. This is the only reason why my ultimate conclusion on this issue is unresolved.

Thanks for sharing!

 

[Idontmatter]

I hadn't heard of Bob Olson before but just watched the whole video. I've spent 20+ years interested in this topic and can say that on the whole, I agree with all of his research conclusions. There are some small details that I could nitpick, but overall his commentary is very well-researched and on-point to the best of my knowledge.

Given the quantity of points made, it's frustratingly hard to qualify the depth of study that goes into summarising conclusions as he did. Even worse, mobs of fear-mongering religious people will propagate myths like eternal hell and get away with it just because their perspective aligns with the cultural norms of the day. Thoughtful and intelligent researchers like Mr. Olson are worth the effort to find.

Entire fields of research (After-Death Communications, pre-birth memories, spiritually-transformative experiences and near-death experiences, the consensus of mediums and the list goes on) tend to converge on the most critical points. If it were possible to have mature discussions on each of these points, we could go into detail on that evidence. But I've never found a forum environment where that type of discussion is available (both spiritually aware and tolerant of suicide).

I was particularly interested in Mr Olson's point about suicide being a disappointment in the face of various beings involved in the lifetime's pre-planning and execution. This one splits me right down the middle.

On the one hand, I've had times in my life when I've had exactly the right thing happen at the right time, which is sufficient evidence that there is help in the background along the lines of spirit guides or similar. And yet, the overall trajectory of this lifetime has been one of ever-increasing pain despite endless efforts made, poverty despite very hard work/investment, isolation despite endless attempts to reach out, and an ultimate failure to master the lowest level of Maslow's pyramid despite decades of fighting like mad. And dedicating myself to purely spiritual pursuits has proven impossible in the face of chronic discomfort and fatigue.

I have learned to cultivate a reasonably loving state despite coming from a rough background, but I must say this: even if God almighty accused me of not trying hard enough, I would very politely tell Him to go fuck Himself. I remember the ex-forum user GoodPersonEffed's final thread made a similar remark - accountability is a two-way street and people who are absolutely left to die in agony despite begging for assistance and taking all possible practical action should be the ones on the receiving end of an apology, not the other way around. This is the only reason why my ultimate conclusion on this issue is unresolved.

Thanks for sharing!

Now that my ctb day is getting closer i have been looking more into the afterlife life and reincarnation. Definitely an interesting video. I guess I'll be finding out in a couple of weeks

 

[LadyApple]

I hadn't heard of Bob Olson before but just watched the whole video. I've spent 20+ years interested in this topic and can say that on the whole, I agree with all of his research conclusions. There are some small details that I could nitpick, but overall his commentary is very well-researched and on-point to the best of my knowledge.

Given the quantity of points made, it's frustratingly hard to qualify the depth of study that goes into summarising conclusions as he did. Even worse, mobs of fear-mongering religious people will propagate myths like eternal hell and get away with it just because their perspective aligns with the cultural norms of the day. Thoughtful and intelligent researchers like Mr. Olson are worth the effort to find.

Entire fields of research (After-Death Communications, pre-birth memories, spiritually-transformative experiences and near-death experiences, the consensus of mediums and the list goes on) tend to converge on the most critical points. If it were possible to have mature discussions on each of these points, we could go into detail on that evidence. But I've never found a forum environment where that type of discussion is available (both spiritually aware and tolerant of suicide).

I was particularly interested in Mr Olson's point about suicide being a disappointment in the face of various beings involved in the lifetime's pre-planning and execution. This one splits me right down the middle.

On the one hand, I've had times in my life when I've had exactly the right thing happen at the right time, which is sufficient evidence that there is help in the background along the lines of spirit guides or similar. And yet, the overall trajectory of this lifetime has been one of ever-increasing pain despite endless efforts made, poverty despite very hard work/investment, isolation despite endless attempts to reach out, and an ultimate failure to master the lowest level of Maslow's pyramid despite decades of fighting like mad. And dedicating myself to purely spiritual pursuits has proven impossible in the face of chronic discomfort and fatigue.

I have learned to cultivate a reasonably loving state despite coming from a rough background, but I must say this: even if God almighty accused me of not trying hard enough, I would very politely tell Him to go fuck Himself. I remember the ex-forum user GoodPersonEffed's final thread made a similar remark - accountability is a two-way street and people who are absolutely left to die in agony despite begging for assistance and taking all possible practical action should be the ones on the receiving end of an apology, not the other way around. This is the only reason why my ultimate conclusion on this issue is unresolved.

Thanks for sharing!

Reading your post gave me so much more clarity and understanding. "And yet, the overall trajectory of this lifetime has been one of ever-increasing pain despite endless efforts made, poverty despite very hard work/investment, isolation despite endless attempts to reach out..." and here's my story in a nutshell and how I ended up here. I was alone and lonely for 10+ years not by choice but just seemed to have THE WORST luck in finding someone, as if it was planned that way; after my partner of four years left me while pregnant, he told me to go f* myself and go get an abortion. And I did, at a very young age 20+. I lost my child and the one who I thought I'd spent the rest of my life with. I don't know how I managed to survive those 10+ years alone, worked really hard on myself and did well in the material world through endless efforts.

Finally last year, I thought I met someone. I found him in a really bad place. He was living with his dad in a small rental in the middle of nowhere, hating his job of five years. His family was in poverty. I literally pulled him out of obscurity and despair. I cooked him nourishing food, countlessly, showed him all the cool places I knew that he's never been-central park, the met museum, Washington monument, and restaurants I've been that I thought he'd like. I took him to Hawaii, I helped him with his almost non-existent resume and getting a new job with NASA, helped him move his entire shit to Maryland for free with my SUV, getting new apartment and setting up furnitures, and he couldn't have done any of these alone and he was relying on me to be his guide the entire time. Then here comes the best part, he told me he couldn't reciprocate, he couldn't love or give. I left the apartment out of self respect. He deleted me and discarded me like a piece of garbage, after all that I've done. A mean-ass stray cat would love you back with the amount of love and care I showed, yet people can be so nasty. I wish karma comes back to him tenfold and I will witness it from the other side.

I'm now back in my dark abyss. And you tell me, where was God, spiritual guides or help in all of this? Where was the warning when I was falling in the trap of that selfish monster? My mother told me to suck it up and refused to talk to me after. Oh believe me when I said I've tried, now 11 years of endless efforts and agony. "accountability is a two-way street and people who are absolutely left to die in agony despite begging for assistance and taking all possible practical action should be the ones on the receiving end of an apology, not the other way around."- It feels like whoever planned this script wants me dead, and yes they should apologize to me.

I'm sending all the love and healing out to the whole world but I'm done, and the rest of you, enjoy the game.

 

[MideonNViscera]

I don't even need to watch it to know it's bullshit. There's no afterlife, there's no anything after.

 

[Pluto]

I'm now back in my dark abyss. And you tell me, where was God, spiritual guides or help in all of this?

I know exactly how you feel as I am in the same place. I also have a history of trying to 'save' people in relationship situations only to feel distraught when even this isn't enough to earn love. It feels like I've been motivated by 1) genuinely wanting to be a source of upliftment, 2) wanting to be the opposite of my family (who were all about shooting me down) and 3) wanting to achieve love through effort despite never having felt lovable.

I've heard people warn against treating relationships like a restoration of a damaged car or a renovation of an old house. Firstly, people want unconditional love and object to being changed by others, even when it seems that they need it. Secondly, true change has to start with their own determination and motivation. Finally, we have to look at what is driving us to operate this way.

Even though I have clearly failed to take my own advice, and it would take a miracle to do so even now, I should pass on the generic advice for this situation in case it is of use to anyone.

The first barrier to contact with guides is most people are dismissive of the very possibility. The next challenge is that most people have minds which are almost constantly spewing out a stream of repetitive and cynical stream of noise in the form of thought, which overpowers the more subtle level of intuition/feeling or sixth-sense communication.

In a tremendous tragedy of circumstance, contact with guides is made much easier when in a happier state that is more in alignment with their higher vibration. (Pardon the New Age terminology.) This makes it possible to appear to lose touch during dark times, effectively worsening hellacious vicious circles while benefitting people who are already in a reasonably positive state.

The other thing to note is that the role of guides is not to interfere in our free choices, nor to stop us making mistakes. They do sometimes step in when some event is on the verge of causing injury or death. This is similar to how a good parent avoids protecting a child from natural consequences, except if absolutely necessary. If one asks for a sign or makes a real effort to reach out, it will hopefully be possible to make contact even from a dark place. Otherwise, the situation is very difficult for all concerned and the worst-case-scenario of a suicide is understandably going to eventuate.

Sending love to all!

 

[LadyApple]

Thank you for your insights!

I don't even need to watch it to know it's bullshit. There's no afterlife, there's no anything after.

In that case ctb as early as possible means less suffering. What am I waiting for

 

[👁️👃👁️]

Thank you for your insights!

In that case ctb as early as possible means less suffering. What am I waiting for

Eh, I don't listen to people that speak with such confidence of something that they've never even experienced.

 

[magick'sgone]

Not You, Not I, and
not BobFuckingOlson knows what happens after we die.