We need an honest discussion on age in here

[DeaduMenuWalkingu]

I sometimes message users on here and I am astounded to find out they are 16,17, 18,.

I believe people should only catch the bus once they are 25 or over.
Anything younger is too young in my opinion.

 

[Miss clefable]

Well good news I'm 26 so I don't need parental permission

 

[Empty Smile]

So you want to infringe on someone's right to ctb?

If you want my opinion on age, 25 is to young as well. You've just barely started living life as an adult, you haven't hit the hard shit yet.

 

[Chinaski]

I sometimes message users on here and I am astounded to find out they are 16,17, 18,.

I believe people should only catch the bus once they are 25 or over.
Anything younger is too young in my opinion.

Why 25? What if someone were to say the same thing but elevate it to 75?

I don't like seeing young folk ctb and would prefer not to know, tbqh - but it happens, and booting them from a website won't change that. Besides which, people who are 24 and a half get suicidal too...

 

[DeaduMenuWalkingu]

So you want to infringe on someone's right to ctb?

If you want my opinion on age, 25 is to young as well. You've just barely started living life as an adult, you haven't hit the hard shit yet.

at 25 I believe you are old enough to take that decision in my oponion.
Not when you are 18-24 and still a young adult.

 

[ZenMONK]

at 25 I believe you are old enough to take that decision in my oponion.
Not when you are 18-24 and still a young adult.

Seems arbitrary

 

[Chinaski]

at 25 I believe you are old enough to take that decision in my oponion.
Not when you are 18-24 and still a young adult.

Age does not bring wisdom, sadly. I'm every bit as unremittingly fucking thick now as l was when l was 20.

 

[gingerplum]

Seems arbitrary

Probably, but the line has to be somewhere, and I can't in good conscience endorse anyone under age 25 catching the proverbial bus.

 

[Anima]

I know what you mean, but I think it's very hard to limit things to a certain age. What bothers me more is as to why someone wishes to end their life. Of course suffering is something highly individual and not really comparable, but I do think there are things you get over with time (being lovesick etc.)

 

[Empty Smile]

at 25 I believe you are old enough to take that decision in my oponion.
Not when you are 18-24 and still a young adult.

At 18 you are old enough to vote, buy cigarettes, and join the military. So they aren't mature enough to ctb?

Also, at 25, you're still a young adult.

 

[BellaKAT]

I think it depends on circumstance. you never know what someone is actually going through. I wouldn't encourage suicide to any one at any age. It's totally fine to have you're own opinion on the issue. Society has shown that telling someone they are too young to ctb, won't stop them. At the end of the day this is a place to get support, information and understanding for everyone.

 

[TAW122]

Yeah, I think I have a hard time to put an arbitrary age limit, but given my common sense, I would say that I discourage people who are in their childhood to ctb (unless they had like a terminal illness or something) because they are still kids and critical thinking and reasoning isn't really well developed. Overall, it's still rather gray and hard to assign an exact number on which age.

18 seems like a decent age as one gains many rights that an adult has and is legally considered an adult, but then again, there are people who may argue that the brain isn't fully developed so they couldn't make that decision (which I disagree with -- due to the fact that at age 18, one can legally be enlisted into the military to fight wars and what not).

 

[DeaduMenuWalkingu]

Seems arbitrary

It's not arbitrary at all.
There are scientific research that indicates that one's brain is not fully developed until age 25

 

[Threads]

We can have an honest discussion about age, as long as it doesn't infringe on the right of choice for our users in the community.

 

[gingerplum]

At 18 you are old enough to vote, buy cigarettes, and join the military. So they aren't mature enough to ctb?

Also, at 25, you're still a young adult.

You can leave the army, and you can quit smoking. CTB is a decision you can't undo.

 

[Nanami]

I've gone through years and years of therapy, tried every appropriate medication legal in my country, went willingly through intensive and complicated programs to try and get better, but all that doesn't matter because I'm too young?

 

[DeaduMenuWalkingu]

"The rational part of a teen's brain isn't fully developed and won't be until age 25 or so.

In fact, recent research has found that adult and teen brains work differently. Adults think with the prefrontal cortex, the brain's rational part. This is the part of the brain that responds to situations with good judgment and an awareness of long-term consequences. Teens process information with the amygdala. This is the emotional part."

https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentTypeID=1&ContentID=3051

 

[Empty Smile]

You can leave the army, and you can quit smoking. CTB is a decision you can't undo.

My point was at 18, you are free to smoke, vote and join the military, in which all 3 can kill you(yes, even voting if you vote for the wrong one). So you should be free to ctb if you wish.

 

[gingerplum]

I've gone through years and years of therapy, tried every appropriate medication legal in my country, went willingly through intensive and and complicated programs to try and get better, but all that doesn't matter because I'm too young?

I'm not saying there's no exceptions,

My point was at 18, you are free to smoke, vote and join the military, in which all 3 can kill you(yes, even voting if you vote for the wrong one). So you should be free to ctb if you wish.

 

[15dec]

Teenagers and even children ctb regardless on if they're too young or what you say. It's not nice to think about, but that's the reality.

 

[gingerplum]

I do understand, but do to the social and emotional immaturity at that age, I disagree. There's just too much risk for impulsivity and poor decision making.

 

[Anima]

My point was at 18, you are free to smoke, vote and join the military, in which all 3 can kill you(yes, even voting if you vote for the wrong one). So you should be free to ctb if you wish.

I don't think it's about whether or not being free to do so or not. Of course people can if they want but it does not make it less of a tragedy, especially if barely 18 or even younger.

 

[Empty Smile]

I don't think it's about whether or not being free to do so or not. Of course people can if they want but it does not make it less of a tragedy, especially if barely 18 or even younger.

I'll agree that under 18 is a tragedy, even more so when they are even younger. It does get disappointing to read about a 10 or 11 year old who ctb because of being bullied. But no matter what you say, people are going to ctb, no matter what age they are.

 

[MAIO]

It's not arbitrary at all.
There are scientific research that indicates that one's brain is not fully developed until age 25

You really think that those last few years of memory consolidation are letting you make better descions.

 

[MAIO]

I sometimes message users on here and I am astounded to find out they are 16,17, 18,.

I believe people should only catch the bus once they are 25 or over.
Anything younger is too young in my opinion.

1) Prove life is better than death. Ie if death is better than life you are harming people by saying that.

2) Explain what part of human development, experience, or maturity brings you to say 25.

 

[Chinaski]

"The rational part of a teen's brain isn't fully developed and won't be until age 25 or so.

In fact, recent research has found that adult and teen brains work differently. Adults think with the prefrontal cortex, the brain's rational part. This is the part of the brain that responds to situations with good judgment and an awareness of long-term consequences. Teens process information with the amygdala. This is the emotional part."

https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentTypeID=1&ContentID=3051

This doesn't add up to anything if your argument is that, until the date of your 25th birthday, you're capable of making every adult decision required of you but are considered incapable of deciding upon suicide.

Having said that, l do like the idea that, when seeing someone about to jump off a bridge, you'd at least check their ID for proof of age before intervening.

 

[Anima]

I'll agree that under 18 is a tragedy, even more so when they are even younger. It does get disappointing to read about a 10 or 11 year old who ctb because of being bullied. But no matter what you say, people are going to ctb, no matter what age they are.

Yes it always is a tragedy if someone is so desperate that they will take their own life. You are right, they will no matter what age. But I also think that - always depending on what happened throughout life - there are ways out for quite a few of them besides dying. Don't get me wrong, I understand that the younger ones are capable of making their own choices. And that is ok. A site like this, however, might also make them blind for other options or ways out.

 

[LiveSlowDieFast]

Yes it always is a tragedy if someone is so desperate that they will take their own life. You are right, they will no matter what age. But I also think that - always depending on what happened throughout life - there are ways out for quite a few of them besides dying. Don't get me wrong, I understand that the younger ones are capable of making their own choices. And that is ok. A site like this, however, might also make them blind for other options or ways out.

As someone who is under 25 I honestly wonder if this site may actually prevent some people from ctb'ing "prematurely". I think having access to information on suicide methods and also just a place for people to be honest and feel unjudged about their suicidal feelings could help some people as they know they have a reasonably reliable "way out" if they need it.

I don't really know though... Maybe it's the opposite.

 

[15dec]

A site like this, however, might also make them blind for other options or ways out.

I understand where you're coming from 100%, but without sites like this people are much more likely to fail and end up with irreversible health problems or impairments, which in my opinion is much more tragic, especially if they're young. I'd like to think people explore other ways out before coming here or at least reconsider after spending a while in the forums, though

 

[Anima]

As someone who is under 25 I honestly wonder if this site may actually prevent some people from ctb'ing "prematurely". I think having access to information on suicide methods and also just a place for people to be honest and feel unjudged about their suicidal feelings could help some people as they know they have a reasonably reliable "way out" if they need it.

I don't really know though... Maybe it's the opposite.

Really having the option might give a sense of security and calmness. I agree. What I am unsure about is that it might also be a place where people don't give any real advise. Don't know how to describe it. You know, simply agreeing that everything is terrible instead of saying, are you sure about this, dont you think things might get better over time or hey, know that feeling, but... you know?